Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-25-2011, 02:20 PM #119
Originally posted by Muncher View Post
They merely have a chemical imbalance affecting their sexuality, so only the deeply religious and bigoted would be prejudiced against homosexuals.

For said bigots though- do you think you have the right to prevent others from doing something completely unrelated to you just because you believe it's wrong? Because that would be bigotry. And for the record I think going to church weekly and wasting your Sunday praying to your imaginary friend is stupid and shouldn't happen; However I don't have the right to tell you what to do, just as you don't have the right to prevent gays from getting married. FFS. Seems so obvious even if you are religious, right? Surely...
Wait you do realize im not against gay marriage right?
09-25-2011, 02:31 PM #120
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Originally posted by FSA View Post
How are we gay for supporting a "cause" you heartless bastard go take your flaming to Pv we don't want it here at NGU so get a ****ing life and quit being a bully, people are different go to hell you ****er


A cause of a sin, homosexuality is a horrible thing to be supporting.
By your Profile picture, it really shows me that your a metrosexual.
Kinda looks like this guy
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and god doesn't want you to be gay either, I will continue to stay here at nextgenupdate
but, I did not ask any of you to quote my comments, so you were asking to be bullied,
What do you except from such retarded comments your saying supporting homosexuality,
Obviously people who quote me back are very angry and want their very own "Gay Marriage".
Try going to school and defending gay marriages with black people.
Tell me how that turns out :dumb:

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09-25-2011, 02:33 PM #121
Originally posted by Phobick View Post
Wait you do realize im not against gay marriage right?


The paragraph wasn't intended for you, it just kinda ended up in the same post haha :p

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Originally posted by St0rM View Post
A cause of a sin, homosexuality is a horrible thing to be supporting.
By your Profile picture, it really shows me that your a metrosexual.
Kinda looks like this guy
and god doesn't want you to be gay either, I will continue to stay here at nextgenupdate
but, I did not ask any of you to quote my comments, so you were asking to be bullied,
What do you except from such retarded comments your saying supporting homosexuality,
Obviously people who quote me back are very angry and want their very own "Gay Marriage".


How old are you? I find it hard to believe any adult is bigoted enough to actually believe that no beliefs other than one's own hold value and therefore are worth bullying someone over.
09-25-2011, 02:53 PM #122
Originally posted by St0rM View Post
We've already accomplished your a homosexual.
Go tell all your straight friends now lol.
:dumb:

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Stop masterbating over your laptop keyboard :dumb:
Try going to public school and telling your friends your gay.
Let me know what they think of you. Claps[/B]


I went to a grammar school(i.e. free, but only very intelligent kids get in, only 10-20% of applicants or something like that) and there were a few kids that 'came out', and no-one bullied them. Why? Because everyone there was intelligent enough to see that no matter what one believes in bullying someone else for believing differently won't get you anywhere.

Anyway, please answer my original question, and stop trolling so hard. It's crossing the line between borderline homophobe and full-on infract-able, homophobic troll.

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Originally posted by Phobick View Post
Can you get this fuhk infracted somehow for all the shit he's saying?


I'm gonna look into it, trust me. This is his last chance.
09-25-2011, 03:00 PM #123
St0rM
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Originally posted by Muncher View Post
I went to a grammar school(i.e. free, but only very intelligent kids get in, only 10-20% of applicants or something like that) and there were a few kids that 'came out', and no-one bullied them. Why? Because everyone there was intelligent enough to see that no matter what one believes in bullying someone else for believing differently won't get you anywhere.

Anyway, please answer my original question, and stop trolling so hard. It's crossing the line between borderline homophobe and full-on infract-able, homophobic troll.

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I'm gonna look into it, trust me. This is his last chance.

I'm done with this debate, seriously, I came here for one comment and one comment only, I didn't ask for you to quote me, you got your answers on what I was saying.
& Grammar school is totally different from being homosexual I have no idea why you compared that,
I've never seen a kid get picked on for perfect grammar but I've seen kids get picked on from being a homosexual,
too answer your question legitimately I'm 17.
I'm done with this debate, its carried on to long, you heard what I had to say. enough is enough.
/thread.

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09-25-2011, 03:03 PM #124
Originally posted by St0rM View Post
I'm done with this debate, seriously, I came here for one comment and one comment only, I didn't ask for you to quote me, you got your answers on what I was saying.
& Grammar school is totally different from being homosexual I have no idea why you compared that,
I've never seen a kid get picked on for perfect grammar but I've seen kids get picked on from being a homosexual,
too answer your question legitimately I'm 17.
I'm done with this debate, its carried on to long, you heard what I had to say. enough is enough.
/thread.
So your trying to act all good now because hes going to try and infract you?
09-25-2011, 03:11 PM #125
Originally posted by St0rM View Post
I'm done with this debate, seriously, I came here for one comment and one comment only, I didn't ask for you to quote me, you got your answers on what I was saying.
& Grammar school is totally different from being homosexual I have no idea why you compared that,
I've never seen a kid get picked on for perfect grammar but I've seen kids get picked on from being a homosexual,
too answer your question legitimately I'm 17.
I'm done with this debate, its carried on to long, you heard what I had to say. enough is enough.
/thread.


Well you misread my post, but debating aside thank you for leaving the thread as I asked. If anyone quotes you from here on out, just ignore them.

Originally posted by Phobick View Post
So your trying to act all good now because hes going to try and infract you?


Gave him a warning, he's leaving the thread, fair enough. Leave him be Smile
09-25-2011, 03:12 PM #126
Originally posted by Muncher View Post
Well you misread my post, but debating aside thank you for leaving the thread as I asked. If anyone quotes you from here on out, just ignore them.



Gave him a warning, he's leaving the thread, fair enough. Leave him be Smile
But now there's no one to debate against....
09-25-2011, 03:16 PM #127
Originally posted by Phobick View Post
But now there's no one to debate against....


Well someone else will crop up, they always do. Just look at the God vs Fact thread Happy

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