Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-25-2011, 04:31 AM #110
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Originally posted by Phobick View Post
NO! I wast calling u gay! I was saying it like a question. I was saying how can u say that bout someone....

---------- Post added at 12:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 AM ----------

Thanks, i would thank you but im out right now :p I didn't know standing up for someone's human rights could be looked down upon....
It's cool I'm just sticking up for my uncle who is gay and is a happy man lives a happy life and my Computer teacher is gay and lives happy!
09-25-2011, 04:31 AM #111
Originally posted by Kammmmi View Post
I don't care what bible verses you throw at me. I am like any other Lutheran that has their own oppinions and I am not for gay marriage. I go to church to get my sins forgiven for these types of things. Get over it.
LoL ur a Lutheran, im just curious whats your views of CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS?
09-25-2011, 04:38 AM #112
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Originally posted by Kammmmi View Post
I don't care what bible verses you throw at me.

Fine don't obey God's words.

Originally posted by another user
I am like any other Lutheran that has their own oppinions and I am not for gay marriage.

Why?

Originally posted by another user
I go to church to get my sins forgiven for these types of things. Get over it.

Why can't they?
09-25-2011, 04:50 AM #113
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Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
Fine don't obey God's words.


Why?


Why can't they?


I don't want to argue anymore. I have my opinions and my believes and you have yours. You can take your believe in relgion as far as you want and so can I.
09-25-2011, 04:56 AM #114
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Originally posted by Kammmmi View Post
I don't want to argue anymore. I have my opinions and my believes and you have yours. You can take your believe in relgion as far as you want and so can I.

My beliefs don't call in someone being denied basic rights.

BTW, it is a debate section /facepalm I'm sorry if you can't justify your beliefs.

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09-25-2011, 05:24 AM #115
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
My beliefs don't call in someone being denied basic rights.

BTW, it is a debate section /facepalm I'm sorry if you can't justify your beliefs.
Right? Just because there "different" means they arn't human or something anymore?
09-25-2011, 08:50 AM #116
Originally posted by Phobick View Post
Right? Just because there "different" means they arn't human or something anymore?


They merely have a chemical imbalance affecting their sexuality, so only the deeply religious and bigoted would be prejudiced against homosexuals.

For said bigots though- do you think you have the right to prevent others from doing something completely unrelated to you just because you believe it's wrong? Because that would be bigotry. And for the record I think going to church weekly and wasting your Sunday praying to your imaginary friend is stupid and shouldn't happen; However I don't have the right to tell you what to do, just as you don't have the right to prevent gays from getting married. FFS. Seems so obvious even if you are religious, right? Surely...
09-25-2011, 10:13 AM #117
i dont support it, but thats my opinion.
09-25-2011, 12:27 PM #118
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Originally posted by St0rM View Post
I know, I could tell by the start you were a metro.
with the name "RAGEVSFURY"
Sounds really "sweet" in a brotherly kind of way.
It's okay to show your feminine side.
That's why you came to this thread, and I came to this thread for one comment and not to quote all you
homosexual's and metrosexuals, who are supporting such a non christian thing.


Still,you don't know shit mate.
The wheels have turned,gays will be in our society and there's f uck all you can do about it.

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