Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-25-2011, 09:47 PM #146
Booshykins
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Originally posted by shindle123 View Post
Lol........


Don't even try that shit in here. If you're going to post pointless crap to boost your post count, go to the General Discussion.
09-25-2011, 09:53 PM #147
I'm against it, my opinion.
09-25-2011, 10:23 PM #148
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by booyaka View Post
yes I understand but there doing sins that god was strong on.

/facepalm Actually, he was stronger on other issues.
09-25-2011, 10:46 PM #149
booyaka
Big Daddy
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
/facepalm Actually, he was stronger on other issues.
this is major issue.

---------- Post added at 06:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:44 PM ----------

Originally posted by Ropponen View Post
I suppose you mean Sodom & Gomorrah.
You can actually interpret it in two ways:
1. God destroyed the cities, because everyone were gays.
2. God destroyed the cities, because people were depraved and lewd, not because they were gays.
yes I was refering to that too.
09-25-2011, 11:47 PM #150
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by booyaka View Post
this is major issue.

---------- Post added at 06:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:44 PM ----------

yes I was refering to that too.

Have you ever disrespected your parents? That is a death penalty.

If a married woman was raped, it was a death penalty for both.

If someone told you about other gods, that was a death penalty.

Your point?
09-26-2011, 12:18 AM #151
Mr.Kane
Greatness
I have no problem with gays, unless you can tell by one look they are gay.If they talk, walk, dress ect... abnormally and you can tell their gay i dont like it. My 8 year old sister was able to tell by one look a guy was gay....

as for the marriage i would say no as i personally dont like it.
09-26-2011, 12:40 AM #152
Booshykins
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Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
I have no problem with gays, unless you can tell by one look they are gay.If they talk, walk, dress ect... abnormally and you can tell their gay i dont like it. My 8 year old sister was able to tell by one look a guy was gay....

as for the marriage i would say no as i personally dont like it.


EDIT: Bad response, I should probably revamp this.

The easiest way to say what I was going to say is "**** you and your assumption that everything YOU do is the RIGHT/NORMAL WAY TO DO IT.", but that seems a little harsh. c:

I fail to see how homosexuals are abnormal, when over 1,500 species are known for those preferences and homoerotic activity. :dumb:

But, yeah, I forgot. Humans do it the right way, huh?
09-26-2011, 12:50 AM #153
Yanni
Desmond
To all the Catholics:
We are all god's children, he made us in his own image etc
So if we are all god's children, so are gays, so why hate?

Also with Adam and Eve being the first humans, their kids would have to have kids together, so with that said, we must all be incest!

I really don't care if a man loves another man and they want to get married, same for girls, they can go ahead, how does two people getting married affect anything in YOUR LIFE?

So what if the church is against them, Religion isn't a law, it is a guideline for the followers of that religion to live by, you might be against gay marriage, but a person's opinion shouldn't affect another persons life.
09-26-2011, 12:52 AM #154
Adam West
git muny
I love how most threads in this section eventually turn into God vs. Fact. Any who, yes, homosexuals should have the right to get married. How does 2 Guys (or Girls) being married affect you in anyway possible, so much for separation of church and state... Also, to be perfectly honest, seeing to Men kissing makes me feel completely uncomfortable, but it's not really a problem because all I need to do is look the other way.

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