Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-26-2011, 02:51 AM #164
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Originally posted by booyaka View Post
Yes,but wildmutz is right. They can have relationships and interact however they want. But no same sex marriage. It will corrupt the church. Have you ever noticed gays don't marry in churches. Think about it. They get married by people who aren't even priests. Isn't what they're doing unholy enough?

/facepalm I'm an atheist, therefore I won't marry in a church. There are gays who do get married in churches as well.

Once again, "let he without sin cast the first stone"

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09-26-2011, 03:03 AM #165
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"People marry for many reasons, including one or more of the following: legal, social, libidinal, emotional, economic, spiritual, and religious."

Notice how religion and spirituality aren't the only reasons people marry? :dumb: Marriage beyond the church has NOTHING to do with religion. Suck on that, bible-thumpers. Marriage is a process/status conducted and given by law, not only churches.

EDIT: Sorry if I'm coming off as aggressive, I'm hyper tonight. :p

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09-26-2011, 06:34 AM #166
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Originally posted by Collin
EDIT: Bad response, I should probably revamp this.

The easiest way to say what I was going to say is "**** you and your assumption that everything YOU do is the RIGHT/NORMAL WAY TO DO IT.", but that seems a little harsh. c:

I fail to see how homosexuals are abnormal, when over 1,500 species are known for those preferences and homoerotic activity. :dumb:

But, yeah, I forgot. Humans do it the right way, huh?


Its how i feel. If i can tell someone is gay by one lok on how they walk/talk/dress/act I dont like it. If you can go by and not know thye are gay it is fine with me.

This was a debate and I involved my input, i can see my opinion getting me hate but that is my opinion...
09-26-2011, 09:33 AM #167
Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
Its how i feel. If i can tell someone is gay by one lok on how they walk/talk/dress/act I dont like it. If you can go by and not know thye are gay it is fine with me.

This was a debate and I involved my input, i can see my opinion getting me hate but that is my opinion...


Why exactly would merely seeing someone is gay get on your nerves? Also, that's a common (false) stereotype in regards to how gays 'behave'. Most gays you wouldn't even know were gay unless you asked them... or if they came onto you lol Happy
09-26-2011, 05:09 PM #168
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Originally posted by Muncher View Post
Why exactly would merely seeing someone is gay get on your nerves? Also, that's a common (false) stereotype in regards to how gays 'behave'. Most gays you wouldn't even know were gay unless you asked them... or if they came onto you lol Happy

In my school, there is a boy that you know they are gay without ever talking to him. One is a right dickhead and i hate him, not because he is gay but because he is an absoloute twat.
Another one is just really really camp, but the way he talks annoys me, but he is not to bad to talk to.

That is how i feel and unless I find something out or i just change in my personality that is my opinion. If i offend anyone on about my feelings I dont mean to it is just thats how i am, and a lot of people i know are similar to me in my views about "gays"

It also doesnt help that if someone does something to annoy people, people may say "why you being gay?" or if you say something friend will say it is gay, gay is a very negative word in the society today and even though I use it a lot in that context thinking about it, it is wrong.
09-26-2011, 06:51 PM #169
Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
Its how i feel. If i can tell someone is gay by one lok on how they walk/talk/dress/act I dont like it. If you can go by and not know thye are gay it is fine with me.

This was a debate and I involved my input, i can see my opinion getting me hate but that is my opinion...


In my opinion gay people who wears "fashionable clothing", talk "womanly" and so for is a faggot not a gay.
I had one gay on my class and no one noticed it until 9th grade when he talked about it. So the correct word would be faggot.
09-26-2011, 06:54 PM #170
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Originally posted by Ropponen View Post
In my opinion gay people who wears "fashionable clothing", talk "womanly" and so for is a faggot not a gay.
I had one gay on my class and no one noticed it until 9th grade when he talked about it. So the correct word would be faggot.

Do you live in the US? as far as i know faggot is used more in there, I have nearly never heard people say someone is a faggot in my school as it is not a word we use much.
09-26-2011, 07:01 PM #171
Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
Do you live in the US? as far as i know faggot is used more in there, I have nearly never heard people say someone is a faggot in my school as it is not a word we use much.

No I live in Finland, but obviously we've these words in our language too :p.
09-26-2011, 07:03 PM #172
Originally posted by Ropponen View Post
No I live in Finland, but obviously we've these words in our language too :p.
Do you think the world will come to a point where you can get charge with a hate crime for calling a homosexual a faggot? Because that guy just got the death penalty for murdering a gay guy.

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