Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-27-2011, 08:33 PM #182
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Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
Theres a difference between camp (feminine) and a definate gay.
Do you know how many people you have hurt in the past couple days? Would you wanna be bullied just because your gay? Maybe they have no choice not being gay maybe there parents beat them, they were raped think about it.
09-27-2011, 08:44 PM #183
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Do you know how many people you have hurt in the past couple days? Would you wanna be bullied just because your gay? Maybe they have no choice not being gay maybe there parents beat them, they were raped think about it.

WTF, where did that come from?
09-27-2011, 08:45 PM #184
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Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
WTF, where did that come from?
What do you mean?
09-27-2011, 08:49 PM #185
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What do you mean?

I mean why did you bring up kids getting beat and raped by their parents for being gay?!
09-27-2011, 08:50 PM #186
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Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
I mean why did you bring up kids getting beat and raped by their parents for being gay?!
I am just saying maybe it isn't there fault there that way.
09-27-2011, 09:00 PM #187
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I am just saying maybe it isn't there fault there that way.

I can understand that but i dont see whhy gays talk differently and how they walk ect... (i am using a sterotype i know not all gays will be like that)

This is my last post in this thread, i feel like i may be offending someone or upsetting members if i continue.

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09-27-2011, 09:56 PM #188
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Originally posted by FSA View Post
Do you know how many people you have hurt in the past couple days? Would you wanna be bullied just because your gay? Maybe they have no choice not being gay maybe there parents beat them, they were raped think about it.


Their parents beat them gay, or someone raped them until they were gay?

Homosexuality isn't a fetish, and it certainly is not a choice. I'm not gay because some idiots told me I was.
09-27-2011, 09:57 PM #189
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Originally posted by Collin
Their parents beat them gay, or someone raped them until they were gay?

Homosexuality isn't a fetish, and it certainly is not a choice. I'm not gay because some idiots told me I was.
Your usertitle says different :dumb:
09-27-2011, 09:59 PM #190
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Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
I can understand that but i dont see whhy gays talk differently and how they walk ect... (i am using a sterotype i know not all gays will be like that)

This is my last post in this thread, i feel like i may be offending someone or upsetting members if i continue.


I know that was your last "point" (which, honestly, I don't understand how you consider it a point at all), but I know many people who talk, dress, and act like the stereotypical gay, pink-wearing male you seem to find affiliated with homosexual guys, and they're completely heterosexual.

It's called personality.

---------- Post added at 05:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:58 PM ----------

Originally posted by FSA View Post
Your usertitle says different :dumb:


In what way? I'm admitting that I am, indeed, homosexual. Great interpretation thur, kiddo.

ibn4 "hurr durr, some called you a faggot, so you're saying you are."

Nope, people ASK me if I am gay on here all of the time. They don't tell me I am. I'm simply saving them the time of asking. :dumb:

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