Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-21-2011, 06:59 PM #20
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Originally posted by Muncher View Post

Men and women have been heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual for a long, long time, difference is now the oppression against their sexuality is finally being lifted. Also bare this in mind; There are 7 billion (approx) people on this planet. Biologically the chances of their ancestors all being homosexual in a thousand years or so is beyond unlikely, and even if miraculously that did happen science can still intervene. Our sexuality won't be the thing to kill us off as a species, even if somehow everyone does turn gay(which is both unlikely and stupid as ****).

Exactly.. Look at how overpopulated the world is and look at the problems that causes. Think about how many people starve to death every single day because there's not enough rations to go around. Tell me what's more likely, everyone somehow "evolving" into gays and deciding to stop making babies or running out of food when there's 10 people per square inch.
09-21-2011, 07:36 PM #21
Originally posted by Drug
Exactly.. Look at how overpopulated the world is and look at the problems that causes. Think about how many people starve to death every single day because there's not enough rations to go around. Tell me what's more likely, everyone somehow "evolving" into gays and deciding to stop making babies or running out of food when there's 10 people per square inch.
The world would never come to that, if anything more countries will have child birth laws like China.
09-21-2011, 10:57 PM #22
Stack0verfl0w
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This is disgusting and sin...........

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09-21-2011, 11:01 PM #23
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They should

they never harm us unless molesting people or rapes

but still its just maybe for me, its kinda of going against nature
09-21-2011, 11:19 PM #24
Booshykins
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Originally posted by dxdx174 View Post
They should

they never harm us unless molesting people or rapes

but still its just maybe for me, its kinda of going against nature


Implying that gay people are the ones that rape and molest everyone, and that over 1,500 different species aren't known for their homosexual tendencies.

Tell them that it's not natural, I bet they'll bite the shit out of you. xD
09-21-2011, 11:30 PM #25
Originally posted by Coding View Post
This is disgusting and sin...........


Under the standards of whom? If I remember, there isn't an absolute moral code which is the standard of all societies. If they choose to live with the love of their lives, I believe it is far beyond our judgment to dictate whether they should or should not stay with their partner. It doesn't matter if your principles in life are against the homosexual lifestyle, it isn't just to assume that they follow your principles.

It's fine to be against their lifestyle, but don't harass and condemn them for it.
09-21-2011, 11:32 PM #26
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Originally posted by Legaljuana View Post
Under the standards of whom? If I remember, there isn't an absolute moral code which is the standard of all societies. If they choose to live with the love of their lives, I believe it is far beyond our judgment to dictate whether they should or should not stay with their partner. It doesn't matter if your principles in life are against the homosexual lifestyle, it isn't just to assume that they follow your principles.

It's fine to be against their lifestyle, but don't harass and condemn them for it.

:lol: It just my opinion on my belief's relax.
09-21-2011, 11:32 PM #27
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Personally if my friend would tell me he is gay i wouldn't give a shit but when i see two dudes kiss or even hold hands i'm not gonna lie i kinda get grossed out but that is because my mind is still in an ignorant state. With that said how the **** is this not legalized yet i mean com'n we live in a day and age where people in general have matured their mentality on life how ignorant do you have to be to even think "oh snaps he likes dudes so he get's limited rights" like wtf is wrong with congress and government? Grow the hell up and realize eventually it will become legal everywhere in the U.S. so knowing that they might as well make it legal now!
09-21-2011, 11:36 PM #28
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Originally posted by Coding View Post
:lol: It just my opinion on my belief's relax.


Coding, you're in the debate section. Why the hell do you always do this?

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