(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); As people are likely well aware if they've read many of my posts, I am British and while I'm proud of the social ideals of my country they're far from perfect. There are many issues with the UK and one of the worst is that it's constantly emulating USA, in all the worst ways. I feel national pride is stupid, being proud of your country for no reason other than you being born there is pathetic. Have pride in your country for things it does that you actively support, for it's growth and development, not for it's mere existence.

So... with that it would be fair to say I hate the United States of America, but I don't far from it. I both love and hate USA, it's a country that brings both the best and the worst out in humanity and depending on my mood I have two ways of considering USA

The first, fuelled by my anger is the most common view people see from me, and is the one I feel the strongest. It's far from a good view and any honest American should be able to accept what I'm going to say...

USA is a self-absorbed country filled with arrogant people convinced their country is "number 1" when it's anything but. They're generally uneducated, racist, extremely homophobic and the further south and further inland you go the more stupid, racist and homophobic they get. They seem to think communism is evil, even though most of them have no idea what it is. They seem to thing atheism is evil, even though most of them have no idea what it is. All the working class vote Republican even though that party clearly stabs the poor in the back whilst propping up the rich, saying they don't want to support "leeches" when in reality the social programs they oppose would benefit them and their families the most. They're ignorant of foreign cultures and customs, obsessed with an isolating USA only mentality and they're extremely xenophobic. They prop up sports like Basketball, Baseball and NFL which no-one outside USA gives a shit about whilst ignoring international sports like Football and Rugby which they simply don't understand, yet they make out that sports is one of the most important aspect of American culture. They disrespect other peoples media, expecting us to buy Hollywood blockbusters but remaking every foreign film and TV show because they're convinced they can do them better, which they never do. To top it all off, they're ridiculously, even offensively Christian saying things like "God bless America" as if they're the only people in the world who are worth considering. They're ridiculously ignorant, they deny evolution, refuse sex education and insist on inserting God into everything, then they act like God has always been there, such as on their money, in their pledge etc. and become deeply offended at the mere concept of removing this religiosity. They treat Atheists like they're cultists and treat other religions like they're delusional yet expect us to always respect Jesus. Lastly USA is filled with liars. They have universities devoted to "creation science", psychics, alternative medicine and endless superstitions and conspiracy theories. Everyone's opinion is expected to be treated as though it's "equal" and science if given no respect, unless your opinion is "liberal" at which point your ignored and labelled anti-American. Still this doesn't stop people posing as scientists to support something, for political or financial gain, especially Republicans and their mouth-piece Fox News. In general American scientists are unreliable, their politicians are always scapegoats and their news-media is purposefully dishonest to the point of propaganda. The people are wilfully ignorant and act with a sickening sense of entitlement while having little to no compassion for anyone else, often thinking only for themselves, with a culture based entirely on greed and the profit motive.

This is an accurate description of USA, and if you disagree, you're simply wrong... I'm sorry if that's upsetting but it's true. But it doesn't have to be like this, this is nothing more than a regurgitation of my frustrations. This is how I see USA in the back of my mind, and why I feel so strongly about it.

USA is a nation of innovators and is genuinely exceptional in ways that put it up their with the great empires of old. While it stands as the far unmatched military might of the world, it's military bloated and unnecessary in my opinion, it doesn't use this military to actively oppress or conquer. While misguided occasionally, the US military is deployed as a peacekeeping force in an attempt to secure freedom and liberty for the world, and it is, in principle an inspiration to us all. There is room for improvement, but in comparison to all other nations that have risen as a superpower militarily, USA is by far the fairest and most reserved. But it doesn't stop there, USA is exceptional in business and economics. When it was founded USA was the leader of the agricultural market, exporting sugar, cotton, tobacco and corn at greater amounts than any other country. It quickly became an industrial power in the 1900's and was the centre of innovation and invention. In recent times, it has housed some of the greatest minds of the 20th and 21st centuries, and is the centre of the information age. With only 5% of the worlds population, USA produces almost a quarter of the worlds GDP. USA produces 3 times as much in exports and GDP than China, the next most productive country in the world, with less than a quarter of Chinas population. Whilst I may not like the ideals of Capitalism, in practice, they work and USA has proved this. But while wealth is great, anyone can make money. Scientifically, I must hold my hands up to USA and say that, while I find their scientists deplorable as they lack a proper method of peer review and greatly damage the good name of the scientific method, science is one of the strongest cards USA has to play. The population on average may be stupid, but some of the most intelligent and capable people are Americans. USA produces more scientific research papers and journals than any other country by far, in fact they make more than Canada, Japan and most of Europe combined. UK the second most scientifically productive country in the world, produces on average 1.5 million scientific citations per year, USA produces on average 6.1 million per year. While I question the quality of many of these that's still an impressive devotion to science that I feel truly inspired for. More than 90% of medical research is done in USA, and inventions are far too numerous to mention. USA has been responsible for the invention of refrigeration, the digital computer, the aeroplane, the communications satellite, the liquid fuelled rocket, the transistor, lasers, carbon-dating, the credit-card, carbon-fibre, kevlar, the compact-disc, the integrated circuit-board and not forgetting... the video game (yes, they where an American, not Japanese invention). The Americans also landed a space shuttle on the moon, mapped the human genome, discovered the quark, and was the first nation to perfect animal cloning. To deny the genius of USA is to wilfully lie. It is such a shame the general population of USA cannot appreciate the brilliance of their country, but it is a real inspiration and one that other countries really should move to emulate. Culturally USA is a triumph with the best films, TV shows and music of recent times being all American productions, while the vast majority of American productions are awful, the very best of modern media is usually American, but media isn't what culture is all about, it's a measure of the ideals of a country. USA is a country founded of principals that even today would be considered revolutionary. Some of the most proudly held values of the United States are values I hold as the most valuable of society. Freedom of speech, separation of church and state, innocent until proven guilty, the demand for a free press, the right to vote, the right to protest, the equality of human kind, and the constant fight for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The constitution and the bill of rights are a testament to American idealism and what all should strive to. Do I agree with all of the ideals in those documents? No. But if I where an American I would feel a true sense of pride in such thing. As a British person I can say with absolute honesty, if I where alive in the times of George Washington, I'd have been on that boat with him. A true visionary and I hope every American at some point tries to live up to his idea of America, it's an incredible nation...

So there we have it. I think it's fair to say I respect and admire USA, while at the same time I hate and despise it. Why? Because in this world, if there's any nation that will be at the front, ready to take us to a new enlightenment, a second renaissance, it will be the United States of America, but for this to happen, the country needs to change. It's public needs to respect science and recognise the incredible feats of science it's country does while they still can, because if they don't Europe, China, India, Japan and Russia will... our national respect for science is growing, USAs is shrinking. USA needs to break away from religious dogma. In the early 1800's USA was one of the least religious countries, a haven for atheists and freethinkers, a true secular society and this is why it was so great. To see it become 'Jesusland' is depressing. With a little effort, some social reform, some liberal thinking and some more focus on the more important things USA could be great again. If USA could focus more on education, institute universal healthcare, cut military by a huge amount and a institute a more progressive tax system, it could become the envy of the world.

There's a reason I focus so much on USA. It's the most influential country of our time, everything that happens in USA effects my country and my life, but more than that. USA is a country with such potential, it could become a beacon for everything I hold dear and everything I respect, but at the moment it strangles my values and is reverting to ideals that I consider painfully barbaric. USA brings a tear to my eyes, it was so close to being my perfect country but every day it moves further away and becomes a corrupted and warped version of everything I hold dear.

I've heard people tell me "You have no right to an opinion. You're not an American, you have no idea what it's like here", and they couldn't be more wrong. They don't know what it's like outside of USA, they're self absorbed ignorant arrogant Americans and I HATE them. They are a symbol of all I hate in USA, and why? Because I likely know more about their nation than they do, and I appreciate it so much more. I hate Americans not because I hate America, I hate Americans because they're not good enough for America, and they're destroying my American dream.

Thank you for reading my post, I hope it's given you something to think about.

I think you're wrong, insomuch that the American people are aware that changes need to be made to our current system. But it's difficult to know who to trust, or who is really looking out for the peoples' interests. On both sides of the isle, be it the liberal Democrats or the conservative Republicans, have made their fair share of decisions that have lead the country to the economic and political crisis that we are currently in.

The biggest problem, in my opinion, is that the American people are much more bipartisan than those in Congress. I think it's much less the American people as a whole, but instead some of the Congressman who have decided to put their own interests above those of the American people.

One thing all Americans agree on is job creation. Everyone wants more jobs so that we can get rid of an unemployment rate that is over 9%. And changes are being made, but none nearly beneficiary enough to actually make any considerable changes to the problem we're in.

Maybe if Congressmen would do their jobs, and represent the voice of the people, we wouldn't be in the economic recession we're currently in.

Yes, America is flawed. But I don't think we're blind to that. I think a vast amount of Americans realize the several problems the nation faces. Problem is, it just doesn't seem like those in power are going to do anything because of the all too powerful nature of filibusters.

Off topic: After I started to become active on the debate section on this forum, It made me feel like my entire like was a lie and I was brainwashed as a child. Everytime I finishing reading a post like this I leave with a better understanding of something. It feels like Im getting away from the bullshit my parents fed me as a child. It makes me start to realise things for what they actually are.

That's all... :rolleyes:

Just thought I'd put that out there.

I'm glad you feel you're getting something worthwhile out of what's basically my philosophical and political musings. I actually feel quite pleased that so many of the members here are able to hold down an intelligent debate all things considered. I know how bloody stupid and naive I was even when I was 18. I didn't really start to grow up emotionally until I was 21 when I actually settled down to get married (didn't end up happening, long story, not important). It took me over 20 years to become focused and considering of the world around me, ironically by my mid 20's my body started falling apart, so that's life for you, but honestly, if you learn to be introspective and contemplative, to consider things properly, whether you're 12 or 38, it's still a step towards a great level of maturity, one I feel I took too long to reach.

Always question everything, don't be afraid of "I don't know", admit when you're wrong graciously, and remember, if I care enough to argue with you, mock you, insult you and persuade you, that means I care what you think... and it takes a fair amount of my respect for me to care what people think. I look forward to seeing more of you in the debate section.

All of the above is true.I'd say about 70% of America is just complete uneducated,racist,homophobic,and use a lot of words they don't know what mean.One thing I will say is the U.S.A helps almost everybody does it not?I mean look at Japan.After the earthquake and radioactive problems they have had who helped them?I do believe it was America and they do help a lot.They help many others with our Redcross program.A lot of technology made by others has been improved by "us".All the other countries mock us in our military,obese kids,uneducated people.I don't seem to see why they hate us so much.We are ignorant,selfish,and just flat out stupid.That is what makes America my friend.

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I like the U.S.You just have to know how to deal with people.Good social skills bro,every country has its dumbasses and ****tards we want to kill.Sadly,we can't or we will get arrested.

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Btw,not to be trolling over here...but that looks copy and pasted does it not?

When I saw the title, I just had to click on it because I thought it would be another non-educated little kid that thought he knew what his country actually was. I read everything you wrote and I completely agree 100% with you. What you wrote is what the U.S really is, yes their has been a lot of smart minds from the U.S but not anymore atleast not how it used to be. What the founding fathers wrote in the constitution was a near perfect country and slowly started to be in effect, for example the getting rid of slavery and later on the discrimination laws against blacks. But now it is only getting worse and worse every day with the 1% and the billions of dollars being wasted on the war which will get nothing accomplished but getting soldiers and civilians killed. What I am truly afraid of is the posibility that the U.S will colapse and will probably cause a lot of other countries to be in trouble, mainly china which has all those factories making all those products which are mostly bought by the U.S or the factory them selves are owned by Americans which will be broke because they have no one to buy their products because no one has money to spend because the dollar will be worth nothing and that will cause massive amounts of people to have no jobs in china and so on and so on. I think I may have gotten off track a little but I think you understand where im going with this.

I can quite easily understand why you'd be weary of imminent economic collapse. People pretend that this is nothing like the Great Depression of the last century when actually it's worse. We're covering up the financial crisis worldwide but this could spell the end for Capitalism entirely as the protests in Wall Street are showing. I foresee this getting a lot worse before it gets better, but I think it's something we need to do that will ultimately lead to a modern, global, enlightenment and the next step is socio-political development for humanity.

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No it doesn't look "copy and pasted". I happened to write the entire post myself and it is 100% my own opinion written in my own words. Just because you can't imagine someone having a coherent enough thought to be capable of writing such a post independently doesn't mean they didn't. Please refrain from insulting me like this in future, I don't steal other peoples posts and claim them as my own, I actually write worthwhile posts myself.

Ahh, you've obviously never chatted to TC before. Definitely not C/P :p

Yeah,I guess.His intellect can't be estimated.

America is the Greatest Nation in the History of the world. America Exceptionalism will fade if we continue to elect polotions that want to turn the US into a EU. I don't understand when people call the US: racist, stupid or homo phobic. In the us we don't anywhere close to the amount of hate crimes as in countires like russia. America has been credited for inventing almost ever singe tecnologic inovation in the past 100 years. Homo phobic: In the middle east, cuba and many other countries they kill gays.