Post: Should it be legal to clone human beings?
01-01-2012, 11:09 PM #1
SantaClawZ
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01-05-2012, 06:45 AM #29
Originally posted by Clutch
Whilst I hate the standard "God intended so and so" arguments from my side, I do not support human cloning for the following reasons:
1) We're already reproducing at a much faster rate than we should, why add even more human beings to the world?
2) In accepting the point above, what would be the benefit of cloning human beings? It just seems like an ability people in power would abuse.

I am okay with modifying ourselves similar to the way in which you do in Deus Ex: Human Revolution though, even if that draws up numerous problems many of which are actually handed or shown to you in the game itself.

One good thing about cloning is we could use them in our military. So we aren't putting real lives at stake. We would also have a unlimited amount of soldiers.
01-05-2012, 10:20 AM #30
Originally posted by My
One good thing about cloning is we could use them in our military. So we aren't putting real lives at stake. We would also have a unlimited amount of soldiers.


Firstly wars aren't a good thing, and cloning soldiers is one of the things I worry about.

Secondly these are real lives. Once you've broken away from the false belief in a soul of some sort and you understand that what makes you, well, you is just your brain, you'll understand that you'd be mass cloning real, living, breathing and feeling human beings.
01-05-2012, 02:06 PM #31
Originally posted by Clutch
Firstly wars aren't a good thing, and cloning soldiers is one of the things I worry about.

Secondly these are real lives. Once you've broken away from the false belief in a soul of some sort and you understand that what makes you, well, you is just your brain, you'll understand that you'd be mass cloning real, living, breathing and feeling human beings.


I know, but what if they new that was there purpose. To fight for there "creators". I know it sounds wrong but tell me the truth, would you rather have your father, brother, or friend die, or a person made in a lab?
01-05-2012, 11:32 PM #32
nickyboy909
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Originally posted by My
I know, but what if they new that was there purpose. To fight for there "creators". I know it sounds wrong but tell me the truth, would you rather have your father, brother, or friend die, or a person made in a lab?
its NOT a person made in a labNot Happy or Sad it's a real human birthed by a woman lol

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Clutch Hunterr
01-06-2012, 07:09 AM #33
I'm going to get really serious on this topic as I feel it needs more coverage than just a few simple words

Originally posted by Vengeance
It's an artificial life, not a real life. :P


That is extremely misguided my friend and I sincerely hope the ":P" meant you were joking. In what way is a clone different to any other human? A clone is defined as a group of organisms or cells produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical. There is actually a lizard called the Clone Gecko which reproduces in this manner. Therefore, what you're discriminating against is the use of technology in reproduction. So let's take some reproductive technologies like IVF out of the equation and we get reduced birth rates. Cloning is similar to this as the ova/embryo is inserted into the uterus. The only difference is that the DNA inside that cell is identical to that of the parent. Furthermore, identical twins result from a zygote splitting into 2 and therefore the resulting twins have the same DNA. However, they can grow up to be vastly different. Environmental factors shape a human more than their DNA composition, take Aaron and Shawn Ashmore for example; they are identical twins but have developed into vastly different people. Look them up.


Originally posted by My
I know, but what if they new that was there purpose. To fight for there "creators". I know it sounds wrong but tell me the truth, would you rather have your father, brother, or friend die, or a person made in a lab?


Looks like someone's been watching too many sci-fi films. We can see a similar point of view by looking at slavery, which has risen to an estimated 27million although it is outlawed in all countries. Their race does not constitute their value but many people believe otherwise. What you're saying is that clones are instantly inferior to other humans because they were not conceived naturally? This has a racial undertone that, however subtle, must still be corrected as a clone has as much value as a normal human. You need to learn the values of equality and as I said in my above argument, humans are defined by character and not birthright. Clones are born with new memories and develop different values which are influenced by environmental factors. I've found an interesting article that you may find enlightening, it was written by a person by the name of Loren S Hardy, a trustee of the World Humanitarian Resource Network, and there are some very valid opinions expressed there. Read that and tell me that they're different
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Originally posted by Clutch
Firstly wars aren't a good thing, and cloning soldiers is one of the things I worry about.


The cloning we're addressing is like Dolly the Sheep: "the embryo was created by taking the cell and inserting it into a sheep ovum. The embryo was then placed inside a female sheep that went through a normal pregnancy" (Source = You must login or register to view this content.)
If in the future though cloning similar to the one you described emerges, I would be very worried.


Originally posted by nickyboy909 View Post
its NOT a person made in a labNot Happy or Sad it's a real human birthed by a woman lol


Nor should it matter; a human is a human.
01-09-2012, 02:50 AM #34
ResistTheSun
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Originally posted by SantaClawZ View Post
Where does your opinion fall on this matter? Do you think cloning is ethical or not? What are some advantages and disadvantages?

Discuss.


The issue of cloning brings up some real nasty issues.....
Ethical that depends on what your using it for.

If your using it to grow a army then no it not ethical. If your using it for organs or body parts then yes it ethical.
Advantages are just medical so giving people back arms or new organs Smile
Disadvantages do the clones have the same rights as non clones who takes care of them. Along with having to feed another person in the world. We already find it hard to keep feeding the current number of people.

Am ok with it being used to give somebody a new kidney or heart but giving back there son after he died no. At the end of the day your not getting back your son just a copy. And not a full copy too just a DNA copy.

Originally posted by Clutch
Whilst I hate the standard "God intended so and so" arguments from my side, I do not support human cloning for the following reasons:
1) We're already reproducing at a much faster rate than we should, why add even more human beings to the world?
2) In accepting the point above, what would be the benefit of cloning human beings? It just seems like an ability people in power would abuse.

I am okay with modifying ourselves similar to the way in which you do in Deus Ex: Human Revolution though, even if that draws up numerous problems many of which are actually handed or shown to you in the game itself.


Only plus side i can think of is organs. So you can grow a new one when somebody needs it.
I believe they can already grow one based off your DNA using stem cells.

1st point is the real issue. However birth rates around the world are declining but slowly.

Originally posted by Vengeance
It's an artificial life, not a real life. :P


Still life.........not artificial it made using the same ish method as normal Smile
Artificial life can't think on it own Winky Winky

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01-14-2012, 11:54 PM #35
WhoIsBrandon
Little One
Yes, because then I can send my clone to school and make my clone do all my homework and shit.
01-18-2012, 06:10 AM #36
VHS
Has been a while
The only benefit I see from producing human Clones are for medical reasons i.e. reproducing clones with the best functioning organs to help those in medical need, blood type etc. etc. ... But other than that human clones would just be used to gain power. Cloning humans is not a myth, it is scientifically/factually possible and we already can clone animals (dogs, sheep, pigs etc..) so it is something that is not far out of reach.
01-19-2012, 10:16 PM #37
Nazuruv
TITS OR GTFO
I say yes, because if they could find a successful cloning method we could have someone do half of all of our work..
We could get a lot more done in a day with a clone.
just saying..

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Originally posted by Team
The only benefit I see from producing human Clones are for medical reasons i.e. reproducing clones with the best functioning organs to help those in medical need, blood type etc. etc. ... But other than that human clones would just be used to gain power. Cloning humans is not a myth, it is scientifically/factually possible and we already can clone animals (dogs, sheep, pigs etc..) so it is something that is not far out of reach.



I also agree with you!
It would save a lot of human experiments

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