Post: 2012 Republican Presidential Primaries
01-12-2012, 09:20 PM #1
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Comment saying who you're voting for and submit your answer in the poll as well.

Personally I would vote for Ron Paul, but my state's primary is one month before my 18th birthday, so I can't vote in the primary. I will, however, be voting in the presidential election.
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01-13-2012, 06:57 PM #2
Hannah
Banned
3 Votes for Ron Paul, 0 votes for everyone else. Gotta love that.
01-14-2012, 12:27 AM #3
I really do hope he wins. He really is a visionary and he's exactly what this country needs right now
01-17-2012, 04:25 AM #4
KilogC
Mario!
All over the web i see people wanting Ron Paul to win (as do i) but how come Romney is winning? Everyone i talk to say hes a snake
01-17-2012, 06:33 AM #5
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by BigBoss
All over the web i see people wanting Ron Paul to win (as do i) but how come Romney is winning? Everyone i talk to say hes a snake

He is incredibly manipulative, but the average American buys into it. I just watched the debate tonight.

At one point he stated the Obama administration had been cutting defense. He stated that we had withdrawn 100k troops from the front lines. What doesn't he mention?
1. The fact we withdrew from Iraq which is largely why
2. That President Bush was the one who planned on withdrawing from Iraq by 2012

Romney changes to what the crowd wants. Gingrich is either an idiot or another liar. Perry is just plain stupid. Paul whether you agree with his ideas or not is the only one who has remained consistent and speaks with great ideas. He is assaulted though, as he is very democratic over certain issues, as he doesn't want to go to war.

I could write forever, but if your more interested PM me, and I'll discuss it with you in the SB.
01-17-2012, 11:50 AM #6
TornadoCreator
A Storm Approaches.
None of the above. Sorry, but the Republican party are bloody retarded and anyone who would seriously vote for ANY of them is also retarded.

Ron Paul - This man seems to think money can appear as if by magic. He's pledged to never raise taxes EVER yet seems to think he can remove the national debt without actually cutting anything. Worst still, he wants to go back to the gold standard, because he seems to think that'll make everything better but doesn't explain why. He's a gun nut who thinks the constitution is infallable and refuses to question it except the bit on "seperation of church and state", but questioning text isn't in his programming as he's a fundamentalist Christian. He's a creationist yet claims to be a scientist, he wants abortion made illegal, and he wants to ban gays from the military and remove gay rights. He's "morally" against any federal healthcare, yet doesn't realise medicare and medicaid are federal healthcare programs, and he wants abstinence-only sex education.

Mitt Romney - This man is opposed to gay rights, is opposed to stem cell research, wants to make abortion illegal outright (even in cases of rape), and supports abstinence-only sex education. Oh and let's not forget this moron is a devout Mormon which means he thinks God gave some American magic glasses and a hidden section of the bible that tells us about the alien planet home of God, oh and he believes in magical underpants... YES! REALLY!

Jon Huntsman - OK... this man seems much more sensible at first, he supports some gay rights (but no enough in my opinion) and accepts global warming which is strange for a republican... but then his fiscal policies show up. This man wants to raise taxes across the board, except for corporate tax and tax on the rich which he wants to reduce by almost a quarter. He also wants to INCREASE military spending. Oh and again he's also a creationist and he's another fúcking Mormon, so more magic glasses, America is the forgotten holy land, magic underpants and God is also an alien... and this is the best option the Republicans have.

Newt Gingrich - This man WROTE the book "Rediscovering God in America" and actively opposes seperation of church and state. He wants to ban abortion, gay rights, and stem cell research. He wants to enforce abstinence-only sex education and creationism in school. Oh but it doesn't stop there, he also wrote "To Save America: Stopping Obama's Secular-Socialist Machine". He seems to think Obama, who hasn't done a single socialist thing EVER! is a socialist. He opposes federal healthcare and welfare systems and supports banning pornography. Oh yeah, he's a creationist if you hadn't noticed...

Rick Santorum - I only have one thing I need to say on Rick Santorum. When TIME Magazine created their top 25 list of most influential evangelical Christians... he was the only non-priest/pastor on the list. That should tell you something. The man has openly said that he's governing his state based solely on his faith, which means he makes shit up to justify anything he does. He actually held a prayer vigil publically for which thousands attended, to ask God to fix America's problems... and he expects that to work. He's a creationist, anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-sex education, anti-healthcare... you know all the standard stuff. He also however thinks all Muslims are terrorist and the "war on terror" is actually America's divine war on Islam AND he's publically states such things. The man also wants to raise taxes... but he wants to lower them for the rich and for corporations. Oh and the man is quite clearly racist too, although he tries to hide this, badly.

If you vote for any of these morons, you should be shot for crimes against humanity for allowing a strategically shaved chimp to be in charge of that many nukes. Anyone even considering it should be ashamed of themselves. Even if you hate Obama and his politics, much like I do, at least he's sane.
01-17-2012, 06:09 PM #7
Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
None of the above. Sorry, but the Republican party are bloody retarded and anyone who would seriously vote for ANY of them is also retarded.

Ron Paul - This man seems to think money can appear as if by magic. He's pledged to never raise taxes EVER yet seems to think he can remove the national debt without actually cutting anything. Worst still, he wants to go back to the gold standard, because he seems to think that'll make everything better but doesn't explain why. He's a gun nut who thinks the constitution is infallable and refuses to question it except the bit on "seperation of church and state", but questioning text isn't in his programming as he's a fundamentalist Christian. He's a creationist yet claims to be a scientist, he wants abortion made illegal, and he wants to ban gays from the military and remove gay rights. He's "morally" against any federal healthcare, yet doesn't realise medicare and medicaid are federal healthcare programs, and he wants abstinence-only sex education.


He's going to cut five departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), so saying he's not going to cut anything and make money appear like magic, is wrong. Personally I'm a republican, but also an atheist like you. But I do not bring religion into my decision for who I'm voting for. I disagree with a lot of everything all candidates have (including Obama). But, the candidate I agree MOST with is Ron Paul. I think his view on things is very straight forward in most cases and I agree with his outlook on things (again, in MOST cases).

In no way is he a perfect candidate, but none of them are. My personal preference is Ron Paul. Yours is clearly Obama (out of the available candidates). Everyone has different opinions/preferences. There's no need for you to call all republicans retarded.
01-17-2012, 08:16 PM #8
TornadoCreator
A Storm Approaches.
Originally posted by pspgamer77 View Post
He's going to cut five departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), so saying he's not going to cut anything and make money appear like magic, is wrong. Personally I'm a republican, but also an atheist like you. But I do not bring religion into my decision for who I'm voting for. I disagree with a lot of everything all candidates have (including Obama). But, the candidate I agree MOST with is Ron Paul. I think his view on things is very straight forward in most cases and I agree with his outlook on things (again, in MOST cases).

In no way is he a perfect candidate, but none of them are. My personal preference is Ron Paul. Yours is clearly Obama (out of the available candidates). Everyone has different opinions/preferences. There's no need for you to call all republicans retarded.

The man want to cut Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior (WTF?) and Education... right, so Ron Paul thinks that will help does he? He wants to cut Housing and Education during a fúcking recession. Let me break this down for you shall I...

Energy - 0.74% of the budget, total $26.3b
Housing & Urban Development - 1.34% of the budget, total $47.5b
Commerce - 0.39% of the budget, total $13.8b
Interior - 0.34% of the budget, total $12b
Education - 1.32% of the budget, total $46.7b

Total overall, these things added together would be 4.13% of the budget, a total of $146.3 billion
Currently the US is spending $663.7 billion on "Defense" and $743 billion on "Healthcare", but he wants to cut all those other things.

Oh but remember cutting these things wouldn't get you $146.3 billion, because you can't give those sectors of government nothing. After all, people need power station, housing, schools etc. the straining ecconomy needs subsidies for the corn industry to make sure food prices don't sky rocket, and transport subsidies so people who have jobs can get to work (commerce), and I'm fairly sure Interior with it's piddling $12b isn't contributing much to the debt and they look after all the native American reservations, national parks etc. which I will point out is a VAST amount of the USA tourism trade. I guarentee they make more money than they cost.

Ron Paul however, is completely against socialised healthcare and doesn't seem to realise than a national healthcare system would be cheaper than Medicare and Medicaid which is basically socialised healthcare for the over 65's and healthcare for the disabled and children under government care. It would actually be CHEAPER to just have government run hospitals and healthcare for everyone, but no. People actually protested "obamacare" with signs saying "Keep your government hands of my medicare", it's a government run socialist program for fúck sake.

If Ron Paul cuts all the areas he says he'll cut, even if he literally halves the funding for all of them, effectively destroying the US infrastructure as the power stations, agriculture system, housing development programs and schools all collapse due to lost funding, even if he did that, it wouldn't even pay ONE QUARTER of the INTEREST!!! on the national debt. Do you understand how much money USA owes... seriously. In order to not build a deficit in the next term, who ever is in charge would literally have to completely decommission the Department Of Defense, Medicaid and Medicare and then you might just break even.

So if you claim, as you do that you'd vote for Ron Paul for his ecconomic ideals well then, you're either gravely misinformed or impossibly fúcking stupid.

But perhaps grinding USA into an ecconomic slum isn't a bother to you, is it his social policies you're in support of. This man is a trained physician and claims to be a scientist... except he denies evolution and is an avid creationist, and he denies global warming (I refuse to call it "climate change", it's global fúcking warming, giving it a nicer, less threatening name won't make it go away). He is not a scientist at all, he's a loon who would support teaching abstinence only sex education and creationism in schools, as well as wanting to cut the education budget, effectively ensuring the next generation of Americans will be so stupid they can't outwit a used teabag.

Ron Paul also supports dividing America, letting the states pass independent laws which will basically make USA less stoic and capable, it'll cause certain states to degenerate and it will force hostilities between the populace, particularly when it comes to gay rights (because we all know the American people are pathetic homophobes so gay marriage and adoption will be legal and illegal in different states etc). Ron Paul also doesn't support free speech and actively supports SOPA and PIPA, so he's already in the corporate pockets and he's prepared to take away your rights to do it.

You claim you don't let religion effect your voting, well you bloody well should let it because Ron Paul sure as hell does. He's a bible believing fundamentalist christian creationist who is so anti-science it fúcking hurts, and naturally his religious bigotry comes with his presidency. The man actively opposes seperation of church and state, he opposes gay marriage, he wants to outlaw abortion, he wants to outlaw gay parents adopting, he wants to bar gays from the military (again). He's a horrible detestable little bigot who I wouldn't even consider voting for. He's an idiot and anyone who votes for him is as well...

...now is Ron Paul the worst possible candidate, no, that would be Rick Santorum (who honestly, how?! just how America?!) but he will still completely screw over USA. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but George W. Bush was a better president than Ron Paul would be. Now, does this mean I support Obama, hell no. Obama is an aweful president, and one of the most Republican presidents I've ever seen running under a Democrat position, any Democrat should feel cheated. But he did some good things, the stimulus package he set up has helped the ecconomy, it's far to little too late, but it is going in the right direction. His healthcare bill would have been worthwhile, but he was too much of a pussy to push for it and nothing happened. Under his term "don't ask don't tell" was repealled and Osama Bin Laden was caught, that's pretty good. Most recently he openly stood up in opposition to SOPA, which was a fantastic move. That alone would get him my vote if I was American simply because it's such an important issue for me and no-one else of note seems hardline about it. Obama however is a very poor president, he's really just a black George W. Bush if we're honest as he's kept most of Bush's bills going, only he's articulate and charismatic, which makes him much more dangerous. Do I like Barrack Obama, hell no. He's an over-rated media scapegoat who makes a mockery of the title of President and the Nobel Prize he was given for doing sod all... but he's far better than the 5 fundamentalist, creationist, homophobic, fiscally illiterate, corporate stooges that the Republicans have up for the vote. If you disagree you're a fool.

Go on... tell me you still support Ron Paul, I dare you. Prove you're a complete idiot
01-18-2012, 03:04 AM #9
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
The man want to cut Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior (WTF?) and Education... right, so Ron Paul thinks that will help does he? He wants to cut Housing and Education during a fúcking recession. Let me break this down for you shall I...

Energy - 0.74% of the budget, total $26.3b
Housing & Urban Development - 1.34% of the budget, total $47.5b
Commerce - 0.39% of the budget, total $13.8b
Interior - 0.34% of the budget, total $12b
Education - 1.32% of the budget, total $46.7b

Total overall, these things added together would be 4.13% of the budget, a total of $146.3 billion
Currently the US is spending $663.7 billion on "Defense" and $743 billion on "Healthcare", but he wants to cut all those other things.

Oh but remember cutting these things wouldn't get you $146.3 billion, because you can't give those sectors of government nothing. After all, people need power station, housing, schools etc. the straining ecconomy needs subsidies for the corn industry to make sure food prices don't sky rocket, and transport subsidies so people who have jobs can get to work (commerce), and I'm fairly sure Interior with it's piddling $12b isn't contributing much to the debt and they look after all the native American reservations, national parks etc. which I will point out is a VAST amount of the USA tourism trade. I guarentee they make more money than they cost.

Ron Paul however, is completely against socialised healthcare and doesn't seem to realise than a national healthcare system would be cheaper than Medicare and Medicaid which is basically socialised healthcare for the over 65's and healthcare for the disabled and children under government care. It would actually be CHEAPER to just have government run hospitals and healthcare for everyone, but no. People actually protested "obamacare" with signs saying "Keep your government hands of my medicare", it's a government run socialist program for fúck sake.

If Ron Paul cuts all the areas he says he'll cut, even if he literally halves the funding for all of them, effectively destroying the US infrastructure as the power stations, agriculture system, housing development programs and schools all collapse due to lost funding, even if he did that, it wouldn't even pay ONE QUARTER of the INTEREST!!! on the national debt. Do you understand how much money USA owes... seriously. In order to not build a deficit in the next term, who ever is in charge would literally have to completely decommission the Department Of Defense, Medicaid and Medicare and then you might just break even.

So if you claim, as you do that you'd vote for Ron Paul for his ecconomic ideals well then, you're either gravely misinformed or impossibly fúcking stupid.

But perhaps grinding USA into an ecconomic slum isn't a bother to you, is it his social policies you're in support of. This man is a trained physician and claims to be a scientist... except he denies evolution and is an avid creationist, and he denies global warming (I refuse to call it "climate change", it's global fúcking warming, giving it a nicer, less threatening name won't make it go away). He is not a scientist at all, he's a loon who would support teaching abstinence only sex education and creationism in schools, as well as wanting to cut the education budget, effectively ensuring the next generation of Americans will be so stupid they can't outwit a used teabag.

Ron Paul also supports dividing America, letting the states pass independent laws which will basically make USA less stoic and capable, it'll cause certain states to degenerate and it will force hostilities between the populace, particularly when it comes to gay rights (because we all know the American people are pathetic homophobes so gay marriage and adoption will be legal and illegal in different states etc). Ron Paul also doesn't support free speech and actively supports SOPA and PIPA, so he's already in the corporate pockets and he's prepared to take away your rights to do it.

You claim you don't let religion effect your voting, well you bloody well should let it because Ron Paul sure as hell does. He's a bible believing fundamentalist christian creationist who is so anti-science it fúcking hurts, and naturally his religious bigotry comes with his presidency. The man actively opposes seperation of church and state, he opposes gay marriage, he wants to outlaw abortion, he wants to outlaw gay parents adopting, he wants to bar gays from the military (again). He's a horrible detestable little bigot who I wouldn't even consider voting for. He's an idiot and anyone who votes for him is as well...

...now is Ron Paul the worst possible candidate, no, that would be Rick Santorum (who honestly, how?! just how America?!) but he will still completely screw over USA. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but George W. Bush was a better president than Ron Paul would be. Now, does this mean I support Obama, hell no. Obama is an aweful president, and one of the most Republican presidents I've ever seen running under a Democrat position, any Democrat should feel cheated. But he did some good things, the stimulus package he set up has helped the ecconomy, it's far to little too late, but it is going in the right direction. His healthcare bill would have been worthwhile, but he was too much of a pussy to push for it and nothing happened. Under his term "don't ask don't tell" was repealled and Osama Bin Laden was caught, that's pretty good. Most recently he openly stood up in opposition to SOPA, which was a fantastic move. That alone would get him my vote if I was American simply because it's such an important issue for me and no-one else of note seems hardline about it. Obama however is a very poor president, he's really just a black George W. Bush if we're honest as he's kept most of Bush's bills going, only he's articulate and charismatic, which makes him much more dangerous. Do I like Barrack Obama, hell no. He's an over-rated media scapegoat who makes a mockery of the title of President and the Nobel Prize he was given for doing sod all... but he's far better than the 5 fundamentalist, creationist, homophobic, fiscally illiterate, corporate stooges that the Republicans have up for the vote. If you disagree you're a fool.

Go on... tell me you still support Ron Paul, I dare you. Prove you're a complete idiot

I don't have the time to fully analyze this, but a couple quick things.

1. Obama won a peace prize almost immediately after going into office, yet actually increased military activity.
2. This whole, let's bully the banks thing isn't working. If you want to change economics go nuts, but don't go about it in that manner.
3. Ron Paul wants to get us out of war and understands the history behind the reasons we're there.
4. In comparison to the other current candidates, Ron Paul would easily be the superior choice.

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01-18-2012, 04:12 AM #10
TornadoCreator
A Storm Approaches.
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
I don't have the time to fully analyze this, but a couple quick things.

1. Obama won a peace prize almost immediately after going into office, yet actually increased military activity.
2. This whole, let's bully the banks thing isn't working. If you want to change economics go nuts, but don't go about it in that manner.
3. Ron Paul wants to get us out of war and understands the history behind the reasons we're there.
4. In comparison to the other current candidates, Ron Paul would easily be the superior choice.


Ron Paul will attempt to do the following if he gets into power and I will discuss each thing in brief.

1. He will end the wars and bring home the American soldiers - Fantastic, I support him in this. I'm glad to see a presidential candidate who wants to do this... Obama also plans to do the same thing, only he's not using it as a pulpit and is prepared to do it gradually in order to assist stability in the region. I think Obama's methods are better. While I don't support the wars, now that they've happened I think USA has a duty to clean up it's bloody mess and not just all pack up and leave instantly. Overall, however Ron Pauls position here is pretty good. GOOD

2. Ron Paul will bankrupt the United States. He refuses to raise taxes and even plans to lower corporate tax. While this is first of all, a smack in the face to everyone who's protesting on wall street, it's also bloody stupid as it stands. His budget cuts would lower US spending by less than 2% yet would severely damage the school system, power plant infrastructure, housing development and subsidy systems so much so that you can expect food prices to increase, electricity prices will increase, schools will flag, homelessness will increase, housing standards will fall, gas prices will increase, tourism will drop and overall income from commercial ventures will drop. As a result there will be a larger outlay in Social Security, Medicaid and Unemployment as well as more unpaid medical bills and taxes from the poor which the government effectively has to pay. In short, Ron Pauls planned "cuts" will save an insignificant amount of money, cost the American people billions and cause this recession to progress into a depression comparable with the great depression of the 1920's. If you can't see this, you need to look at ecconomics in more depth and consider the larger ramifications of what's being done here. Ron Paul will bankrupt America. BAD

3. Ron Paul is a cooky racist who wants to withdraw USA from the United Nations, North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, North American Free Trade Agreements, and World Trade Organisation. He wants to bar all forms of regulation and supports a true "free market" which will mean under this man a company can quite literally sell you drugs telling you they will cure a headache when actually they do nothing and kill 2% of everyone who takes it, and if you take it, it's your own damn fault. Regulation is there for a reason, so corporations can't screw people over, trade laws are in place so corporations don't develop monopolies and extort people for there services. You honestly would give this up. On top of that, leaving the United Nations would be a taset declaration of war on Russia, China, France and UK who would be forced to disarm USA as per the Internation Nuclear Proliferation Laws the UN has in place in which only the 5 peacekeeping nations may hold Nukes as an international deterrant... you know the same justification George W. Bush used for invading Iraq. The dreaded WMDs. Ron Paul would willingly isolate USA and cease current trade agreement, which would cause America to become a technological black spot as countries refuse unfair trading with USA. This will cause America to rely on itself, and as little is made in USA, it imports far more than it exports, USA will become extremely poor very fast and imports would be for the super rich only. BAD

4. Ron Paul is a strong supporter of constitutional rights (only some of them mind) ,and backs habeas corpus as a political defense. He is opposed to the Patriot act, and opposes the use of federally sanctioned torture. In in power he would outlaw such practices and at least try to get Guantanimo Bay closed, but then many politicians say that (Obama included) and change there mind once they're in power so I'll believe that when I see it. Sort of Good... honestly, this should be a damn given

5. Ron Paul is definite opposer of constitutional rights (although he doesn't think so), and actively opposes both free speech and the seperation of church and state. He supports both SOPA and PIPA so would happily regulate the internet, and he believes that seperation of church and state "deprives people of religious liberty", basically he's playing the "christians are persecuted" card. BAD

6. He's a fúcking CREATIONIST! Seriously Just4Hax, this man believes God magically made us appear from no-where and you want him in charge. He also wants creationism taught in schools and actively uses the fact that he's a physician as ammunition to push this, claiming he's a "scientist" when he's bloody well not, so he can push his agenda further. If you honestly support someone who would push for creationism in schoool Just4Hax then my respect for you has plummeted. BAD

7. Ron Paul is a supporter of what he calls private property rights and would remove environmental protection and pollution prevention laws because he considers them to be anti-free-market. This would effectively mean there would be no corporate regulations of any kind under Ron Paul, you may as well opt to live in the cyberpunk world of Shadowrun and get it over with. BAD

8. Ron Paul is a homophobic bigot who is opposed to gay rights, would remove the rights for gay couples to adopt and would reinstate "don't ask don't tell" and expell any currently serving homosexuals from the military. BAD

9. Ron Paul considers global warming to be a hoax (remember, this man claims to be a scientist), and would cease all funding into climate change research and alternative power source development (which is only a few hundred million dollars, so don't claim it'll make a difference to the deficit because it bloody won't). BAD

10. Ron Paul opposes the federal 'War On Drugs' and would regulate the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes. He also supports decriminalising all forms of cannibis. Finally something good about this man. GOOD

11. Ron Paul is anti-immunisation and would push to decommission the USA influenza vaccines. This man is a physician and yet he opposes immunisation for political power, this is something he should KNOW about, yet he spreads the standard conservative lies. This alone makes me severely dislike this man for willingly misinforming people and using his position of authority as a tool. BAD

12. Ron Paul want to legislate the Sanctity Of Life Act and make abortion illegal, at the same time he supports abstinence-only sex education (which isn't education at all), and would make supplying contraception to under 18s illegal. This will basically ensure that USA's already rediculously high teen pregnancy rate goes even higher, the STD rate increases even more, and this will in turn damage the ecconomy as more people apply for Unemployment, Social Security, Medicaid etc. This is a stupid idea that will serve to ensure the poor end up even poorer and now lumbered with a load of kids, well done there. BAD

OK, that's a good assessment for Ron Paul, all the major issues covered. Do you REALLY still support him. Honestly Just4Hax, I'm shocked at you. You think THIS is better than Obama. Sure, Obama is an awful DEMOCRAT, but if this is what passes for a president in your eye, the wishy washy republican Obama holding a democrat flag is still far better.

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