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I do support death penalties, and abortion. However, I do not support the idea of torturing as a consequence.

What effect does it have? All the torture will do would be making the victim face a lot of pain, however, I'm sure it will not undo the past. Death penalties will wipe them out utterly, thus causing no more trouble from that suspect. After enduring torture, they might not even free such negativity from their mind.

tldr; Although I do support death penalties and abortion, I do not support torture as a consequence.

Personally, I disagree with the general concept of modern "criminal justice". To start, I believe that violence, anger, and associated emotions and actions are generally marks of a young, intolerant, uneducated, and illogical civilization. I believe that all acts of violence are inherently illogical, or stem from illogical emotions. I believe that the perpetuation of violence is increasingly illogical and immature, especially when unnecessary (however, acting in violence when faced with an immediate and massive threat is not inherently illogical).

I believe that the goal should be not to explicitly seek justice - or perhaps vengeance - for crimes. I do not believe that criminals should be explicitly punished. I believe the goal ought to be reform. Where reform is impossible, I believe the only option would be removal from the remainder of the law-abiding people.

The issue with punishment is that we have two primary options of "severe punishment": imprisonment and capital punishment. Imprisonment is not beneficial, because it is markedly expensive and extremely ineffective (as indicated by the large number of repeat offenders). Capital punishment is mostly effective, but it is also extremely costly (sometimes more than imprisonment for life) and that it requires a notably long time to execute a person; additionally, just because someone is found guilty by our "justice" system, does not truly mean that they are actually guilty - capital punishment is sadly permanent.

I would propose another alternative, that instead of costing money can be cost neutral, and that rehabilitates people to become functioning members of society. Some sort of facility is developed. Inmates receive clean and comfortable - though not exceptional - board. Inmates are tasked with running the entire facility, with the exception of security. They are required to cook, clean, grow food, maintain electricity-generating utilities, and so on. The entire facility can be designed such that when maintained by a full group of inmates, the facility is entirely self-sufficient. The inmates would then undergo psychological treatment, working with trained mental health professionals on a daily basis to become functioning members of society - to truly reform themselves. After being psychologically retrained, the inmates could be taught basic, professional skills, so they can re-enter both society and the workforce, and be fully-functioning, contributing members of society.

Those that need longer, even permanent, treatment will receive it. The goal would be reform, or, in the very least, removal from common society. The goal would not be to punish - which is inherently illogical and hateful (which is, again, illogical) - but rather to retrain and rehabilitate. Why waste society's time to seek vengeance, when society could be served by creating more useful members at minimal cost to society?

What I dream of is not an entirely new dream, either. StarTrek's You must login or register to view this content., reformed in approximately the mid-23rd century from incarceration and punishment to humane rehabilitation. While the 23rd century is still far in the future, I would hope that most humans would be reasonable enough to see the value in rehabilitation over blindly punishing in rage.




That's a rather immature and illogical belief. First of all, I believe there are very few executioners who would be willing to slowly torture someone to death. Even those that would be willing would likely suffer immense psychological trauma after. I also believe that causing someone pain won't make one feel better. Causing more pain than has already been caused won't right any wrongs. Killing someone won't bring back the dead. At the end of the day, think of net-pain and net-death, why cause more harm than necessary?

I could understand the justification for the death penalty, for removing someone from the species may indeed be in the biological best interest of the species, however, inflicting pain merely for pleasure? That's not civilization. That's immaturity, rage, and sadism.

I don't support torture as a punishment, and I do support abortion. And frankly, comparing abortion to torture is ridiculous.



On a side note, while I don't support torture in any form - it is sometimes difficult to determine exactly what torture is. While some things are obviously torture, others, such as sleep-deprivation or water-boarding don't cause massive physical injury and long-term harm (and least when not done excessively). While I still don't necessarily agree with either of those techniques, one could easily argue that rather than torture, they are merely enhanced interrogation techniques (and are often used to augment traditional interrogation). Perhaps in some situations, the usage of such enhanced interrogation techniques could be justified.

No I don't there is no need to pull someone's eye's out and cut there balls off in this day and age at least for a public crime. I would only consider torturing someone that has personally harmed a family member or something, for instance if someone killed my mother I would use torture methods on them well actually I'd just like to cut them up with a chainsaw but that's about the only time I think torture is fair.

I would never support the death penalty and torture for one reason- if you get the wrong person, he/she will go through incredible pain and/or death due to somebody else's incompetence.

I'll never support torture. Even if you know for an indisputable fact that somebody is guilty of something supposedly worthy of torture, I don't care. Be humane about it. I... eh, I can't eloquently put this into words, but you know where I'm coming from.

It makes you just as bad
You should not lower yourself in the name of the law.

Being used to stop something i don't like the idea of it. But if strong proof a person knows something and it could say lifes it necessery evil.
However am against it in almost all cases apart from certain ones.

I don't believe in Reward-and-Punishment system. So,I don't think punishing (possible)Criminals with torture or death is possible option. Revenge might make crime targets or someone related to crime target happy or pleased, but it does not fix things or bring dead people back alive. Hammurab's law might be seen as logical, but it isn't. I think of something like isle where criminals would be sent to work there for themselves and society. Just prisoning people is not good, its costly and criminals probably just think of new crimes they do when they are released. Sadly we do not live in world where is no crime...

Torturing them does not make things made by them undo. It also probably won't make them feel that they have done bad, rather start to plan new evil things because of torturing, for example torturing other people...