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Obama Or Romney?

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My Opinion
Out of Obama and Romney? I vote Romney But I liked everthing about Ron Paul besides his veiws on military!

The policy changing is something I can somewhat understand. Certain issues that he has "flip-flopped" on (as Democrats like to put it) were apparent. However I'm not actually particularly sure whether or not you are exaggerating or not. Romney's "flip-flops" stopped when the campaigns started. People don't realize that when he was the governor of Massachusetts he imposed very Liberal policies as it worked for the state itself. Now people compare his stances when he was a governor to how he is now running for a presidency. He switched sides on many issues as he realized that they will work better for America as a whole. Of course he still wants states to care for themselves, which pretty much means that he will not be imposing all of his policies on a federal level.

As for his taxes. I see absolutely no problem whatsoever. He is paying what is required by law to pay. If I had that money I wouldn't be paying a penny more than what the government requires me to pay by law. Let's not forget that he donated 4 million dollars to charity. Something that most people do not do. His combined taxes once you factor that it is way more than the average American pays. I see no issues with his tax returns.

I'm not voting. Either candidate will make things worse for the economy, education or health care but Ron Paul would of been a great president.

I could type out an essay on why I'm choosing Obama, but I'll keep it simple. Romney is a flip flopping ass that tries to manipulate the public with his lies.

There is actually changing your opinion on something, and then there is saying something else than what you previously said based on what the person who asked the question wants to hear. So basically he will say whatever gets him votes regardless of what he actually he thinks.
Then when he is called up on it, he denies it even when proof is presented in front of him.

I watched the debate last week for some reason, considering I'm not American and not over 18 this isn't something most people in my demographic would do.
But Romney just kept going on about how he knew everything, and that in his state everything is great. However, he refused to tell anyone anything that he knew, and when he ended his term in massachusetts with a low popularity rate. Not to mention his 5 step plan.

My 5 step plan will do this, and it will make money, and make jobs. But he can't tell us his 5 step plan.

Romney is like that guy who goes to a job interview unprepared, and tells the interviewer how he'll be the best person ever at the job without showing the interviewer why he would be good at that job.

Isn't that all Republicans?! :confused:

Not sure if you followed the election in 2008 but what he promised then he still promises now in 2012. Mind you he could have accomplished a lot in the first two years of his presidency. He can't run on his record and not only that he foreshadowed his 2012 campaign back in 2008. I don't consider myself to be affiliated with any political party because of the fact that most issues within the government are caused by political parties. But anyway it took me awhile to find this video. I remember watching it in 2008 and applauding Obama now it's sad to say he's "stale".

I personally supported Karger, but I'm guessing I'll stand by Obama or Johnson for the coming election. Romney flops, his opinions will change depending on who he is speaking to (not necessarily when he says them). Obama's a spineless pack mule that lets Congress ride him like an imbecile.

I wonder how many people actually seriously thought about Romney's opinions and how he apparently kept changing them before they opened this thread. Sure, it seems like an important fact but Every. Single. Person. who is voting for Obama always uses that excuse. Enough of my daily bitching session, Let's get on to why I'd vote for Romney and not Obama.

Obama's Problems:
1.With Obama president, our gas prices have increased by 200%. (I used the % sign. That makes me seem smart) YET, the Chinese are buying all the oil which is increasing our prices for oil in Saudi Arabia.
2. ObamaCare. There are a few good things about it but it's a overall shit storm. The part where a child can stay on their parent's healthcare until they're 26. That gives them enough time to get on their feet, right? BTW, I don't want the US to end like Canada where I have to wait 6 months for a doctor's appointment. If I have the money, I'll buy my appointment if it's important.
3. Obama's call for Seal Team to get Osama was a good call, I have to agree. He didn't pull the troops out of the Middle East.
4. Never cut the deficit in half, never closed Guantanamo, and never reduced unemployment rates.

Romney's Problems:
1. He won't raise taxes on rich for close deficit.
2. He considers a middle class that doesn't make $100,00 or more.
3. Uses Mormonism an an excuse for him not to publish his tax returns.
4. He keeps a lot of details about his policies hidden.

Who would I vote for? Romney. I've seen enough of Obama and am sickened by his role. He wasn't ready to be president. Romney may be rich and delusional but he might do a better job than Obama.

1) The President can't really control gas prices...it's just a general indicator of how an economy's doing. Saying Obama can influence the economy as a single man is like saying I can change where the sun sets because I sometimes lounge around to tan. He also didn't double the gas price. With cost of inflation considered - between 2008 and 2012, gas prices fell and then rose again to where they were before and a bit beyond. Again, with inflation considered - they only rose about 15% total.
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2) Obamacare has a lot more than just a "few good qualities" - it's like people forget about deductibles because they don't want to actually, well, admit they can be wrong about something. My argument is an anecdote, so you may choose to take it or dismiss it - but it's a pretty clear cut example. I get charged $200 extra on my premium because I am considered a "risk" on my insurance plan. This is also the cheapest tax plan available for me. However I only have a $20 deductible. With Obamacare they would shift the weighting from premiums to deductibles. That is, despite my preexisting condition of Type 1 Diabetes, I will be charged the same as anyone else - but my deductible might be $100 instead of $20 to see the doctor. This allows me to pay the same premiums as anyone else and not be discriminated against because of a preexisting condition.

The age requirement helps allow people to get on their feet, as you mentioned - it also allows for people to go to college without the extra burdens of healthcare.

Obamacare will also be run as a satellite agency - it might as well be its own unique company. It may use some taxes as initial funding progresses, but overall it will pay for itself with revenue.

3) He's pulling the troops out. Although I am disappointed that we're not out already. We did what we set out to do. Now they need to come home.

4) To be fair, Romney couldn't either. Congress didn't work with him and he didn't have the cajones to tell them to grow up.

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1) He won't raise taxes, but he plans to eliminate tax cuts and credits. No more writing off jet flights from La to NY as a corporate expense - pay full taxes on that gas guzzling flying monster.

2) Pretty much true, although to be fair the lower class would probably kill to have $100,000 per year.

3) No argument.

4) I don't think he keeps them hidden, I think he just doesn't have any. It's a country, not a washed out talk show. He can't play Dave Ramsey where his secret to success is scamming you out of money. The problem is Romney's not your typical rich businessman like Disney, Ford or Jobs. He made his money by feeding on the weak small businesses in America. Then he toppled them over and put people out of jobs - all so he could line his pockets.