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My Opinion
Out of Obama and Romney? I vote Romney But I liked everthing about Ron Paul besides his veiws on military!

Great Job Hannah, you are learning baby :carling:

What wouldn't have worked with Ron Pauls policies? He is the only guy who talked about solutions like ending the FED, having a free market,ending the Patriot Act/NDAA,getting rid of TSA and defending the Constitution. Of coarse the mainstream media have a bias against him and they try to paint a bad picture of him because he speaks the truth. Every other politician just say things to get the crowd to cheer them but they have no real substance. I doubt any heavily marketed politician (Obamney) can out-debate Ron Paul.

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The best at reading teleprompters? What good has he done?

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If I have to explain any of this in further detail, you need to go back to Economics 101.

R.P mostly believe Big Brother should stay out of our life. I for sure don't want the government dictating every aspect of my life. Every other candidate believe we should sacrifice our freedoms for "security" and the government should take care of us. I read the post, a lot of it is out of context. Ill just touch up on a few points- Income Tax- this is just robbery of the ppl, who wouldn't want this out? I trade energy for wage, and I get taxed on it on top of already paying a million other taxes?! You have to be insane to believe this is beneficial. Pulling out of U.N- How is being with the U.N beneficial to the U.S? You talking about a few ppl dictating how countries should be ran. This is obviously a form and a step towards a 1 world government. As for things like the FDA and other organizations, these corporations barely do anything for the ppl,why spend money on them when they dont do anything or care for the well being of the ppl? The public education system is a joke being run by the government. He basically said the states should be in charge of their education policies, not Washington. That gives the power back to the ppl. Now, where is the freedom when you're forced to inject your kid with a vaccine because the government said it'll keep the kids "safe"? LOL. I can go into how the vaccines are a scam but that's a whole different argument. R.P talks about giving power back to the ppl instead of having Big Brother dictate every aspect of our life. It's a known fact, when governments interfere, the quality of things get worse. Of coarse the mainstream presstitutes ridicule him for his views, the idiots actually believe the ppl are too stupid to run our own lives and we need government to hold our hands in every aspect. The way we're headed now with Big Brother dictating all of our lives, things can only get worse. But most ppl are too conditioned,they cant see any other way outside of the establishment.

First of all, learn to use paragraphs! Holy Hell, it's like reading a bad essay.

Second of all, I'm going to go over the primary arguments one by one:

Income Tax
To discuss this, you have to keep in mind that things like FDA, public roads, public libraries, Comcare and schools are better established through the government - more availability means higher rates in safety, transportation and education. This is not to say that everything will work perfectly - in fact, much of it is broken because we still practice regulations that are three decades old. Times change, people change - we can't stick to the 1980s guidelines and only offer a little bit extra. We need to reform our policies and regulations constantly to keep up with evolving times.


Withdraw from UN
The UN is not established to "tell countries how to be ran" - it's an establishment for members within the United Nations how we should define human and civil liberties, international negotiations (basically says the United States can't send our military to China to slaughter everyone there just for their money), international security (response to 9/11, unless you think it's okay for people to fly planes into buildings), economic development, and lastly - world peace. They're trying to establish governments that are not a powerhouse for economic distress and violence (large gaps between the middle and upper class).


FDA & Safety Protocols
There is nothing that says you are required to take a vaccine - you have the option of private or home school without getting a vaccine. Which, by your argument, you're against public schooling anyway - so why bitch and moan if you can't go to a public school or work at a government office without your government mandated vaccine?

Second, these establishments are to make sure stuff is, well, safe. It ensures that milk is pasteurized (not necessarily homogenized), bleach and other cleaning chemicals won't turn your clothes toxic, Advil won't cause heart attacks - or basically anything else that can go wrong. Other such protocols ensure that people don't work in unsafe environments such as with asbestos.

We could go ahead and get rid of it, but anyone who really believes that dying at 60 years old from black lung was "the good life" hasn't decided to walk outside lately.


Public Education
First of all, public education is already at the state level. The problem is that we have a few federal standards that seem counterintuitive to our intent of education. Many general education classes could be dropped after Sophomore year in the US (I fully support adopting a UK education system).

I also believe we focus too much on general education - math, science and English (although Heaven knows many people could use some English lessons - like you and your paragraphs), and not enough on specific education (everyone's required to take Biology, but if someone in their sophomore year knows they want to proceed with Biology, there is no reason for them to be required to take any more math courses than necessary - i.e. Algebra I)

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As I've stated before, we need reform - not revolution. America's stubbed her toe and people like you think we've been shot in the heart.

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That was beautiful. But the problem is, politicians are not going to do anything. The common man pretty much has no role whatsoever in the world of politics. Politicians just follow their party lines, for the most part, and do whatever their political affiliation tells them to. That being said, republicans do a much better job than democrats do in this aspect. Republicans pretty much all stick together and votes accordingly to their party. Democrats do not do this, and actually votes on whether they feel the legislation will actually be beneficial or not. Now, one may think that this is the right decision, and normally it would be, but because the republicans all stick together and pretty much bully the democrats, the left is getting their asses burneddddd. lol

It's sad because people think Obama is the reason why the United States is doing so horribly, and while that is sort of true, its really because he's unable to pass the legislation he wanted to; the right in congress would just simply filibuster anything. I'm sure his legislation would not fully help the economy, but I'm sure it would have done something. But the fact of the matter is, I used to feel as strongly about politics as you, but I recently realized that there isn't a point in doing so. As long as dumbass people just continue to vote between the two main parties and disregarded the other parties, nothing is going to change. Your best bet is to just hope to God that people will realize that in order to fix this country, political parties must be done with.

But to answer this poll, I would vote Romney. The reason being is that Romney isn't going to be as conservative as hes pretending to be. As soon as he's elected, you'll all see how he'll turn into a moderate. Also, he's the only way our country will get slightly better. Not because his policies are better, but because Obama and democrats are pussies and let the republicans bully them around. It's sad but true. Until Obama grows some balls, I cannot vote for him.

I typed everything without editing,sorry it was hard on your eyes sir.I see you are conditioned to believe the establishment need to control and regulate everything. But I'll make the points a little more clear for you. Income Tax-You clearly fail to see that income tax, which is getting taxed on labor is slavery. I work hard at a 9-5 just for the IRS take money out of my earnings before I even get my check?! That is extortion. And you are naive to think this is good for the people and the economy? Lol Wow. Income tax and inflation (hidden tax) are different from the other taxes we already pay. This is plain as day, and if you cant see that.. well nevermind.

United Nations- Are you really that naive? They are not dictating how ppl should run their countries? The UN was started by a small group of powerful ppl, just to control all the countries under the guise of "keeping the peace".You say they are not there to dictate but in the same sentence say they tell us "how we should define human and civil liberties,etc". How is that not dictating? Is it not the same thing? They have and are still trying to take our rights away for example our Right to Bear Arms. But ppl like you suggest we should let Big Brother have their way with us because they know more. It is basically a 1 world government. Of coarse what they teach you in school is that all these establishments are all good and for the benefit of man. This brainwashing is contagious, and most ppl trust the establishment without question. That's the reason why we're heading on a downward path as it is..

Haha your high school text book explanations make me laugh. I never said I was against public education, I said it is a joke if its being dictated by Washington. What if I want to send my kid to a public school? Out here in CA., they force the kids to get vaccinated. And this is a free country? Oh please. I personally believe financial education should be taught in schools. Things like, Assets-that generate money- properties that generate passive residual income,businesses,etc., and liabilities- things that take money from you i.e a house or car. If there were more financially intelligent ppl (something that our "leaders" are not.. Ben Bernanke) that would help out a lot in the education field. As Robert Kiyosaki say "there are a lot of smart poor ppl." Meaning, though you have a degree, that doesn't mean you are smart with your money and know how to invest.

Our so called leaders have put us in the bad position we are already in. And you're saying give them more power? America has done way more than "stub her toe". I understand it's hard for ppl to look outside of the control system because of the way they have been conditioned. I find it hilarious that ppl think they are really making a change by voting for 2 puppets who are funded and controlled by the SAME PPL. Stop falling for the Obama/Romney hype, they are not the answer to the countries problems. Rather you like one over the other, they are the same outcome. More government in our lives, more wars, more lies,etc. A preschooler can see these guys only say what they are going to do just to get the crowd to cheer them. But time and time again, what happen when these guys get in office? They solve NOTHING.

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Ugh...

This debate can't even continue at this point, I'm going to remind you to get back on track with your argument of Pro-Paul and don't argue anti-Obama/Romney. I could argue that Obama and Romney are just handing it over to the same useless morons time and time again. I personally support Karger more than anyone else (although I choose Obama in the sake of Romney vs. Obama issue, but this an entirely different topic).

So please, get your arguments back on topic, otherwise I'm not going to bother responding to useless jibberish of crap just because you can't show why Ron Paul's policies are beneficial.

Yes, we need income tax. It's the largest form of monetary exchange. Yes, tax codes need to be REFORMED (not removed). "Fix what you can and scrap what you can't" is not a viable policy because we'll eventually just devolve into a bunch of slinging yokels on horseback, and while that may look good to you on paper on in your mind - you can't honestly think that eating ham and beans every night is "the good life." We've come too far just to say, "FUCK IT, PROGRESS IS TOO HARD!"

The UN doesn't dictate how to run a country? Saying that them defining civil liberties is a crime is like saying that our Constitution is dictating. What you suggest with your argument for the need to leave the UN is basically saying that the world will do better with total anarchy. The UN was not started by a few powerful people - it is a treaty of several nations. It started after WW2 to replace the League of Nations and basically draws lines of international conduct and civil liberties. Such as in wars you can't just kill a family to take their home for the night. The UN is not trying to abolish the 2nd Amendment, because the UN does not fucking care (or they do, but they'll never bother to act on it).

As for high school, how do you think that's paid? State and federal income taxes ring a bell? Yes, those go into helping pay off wages of teachers and government employees around the country (although wouldn't it be so nice if the Congressmen didn't line their pocket at our expense?) I'd say, if anything, the teacher deserves to buy the suit and tie for every day of the week and the Congressmen can buy his clothes from Wal-Mart.

No, the vaccinations are not required for any state - they are only mandated if you work or preside in a government building. Either way, it's hard to say you would want to send your kids to public school but not support all of the policies that help pay and maintain that public school. Yes, there is a tuition cost - but it's usually not high enough to maintain everything they need.

I'm not going to hold your hand so you can think of a premise, calculate an argument and form a conclusion - because my days are rather busy. I could give you a million and one reasons why our policies do not work as they are now. HOWEVER, the answer is not devolution.

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I find myself caring about a lot of things and I don't know why. Maybe it's my maternal nature to want everyone to live a happy life, but I try to have a humanitarian or a libertarian perspective on most policies.