Post: Piracy.
02-24-2013, 02:41 AM #1
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*The ethicality and morality surrounding piracy is very subjective so I've left it out of the poll.
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02-24-2013, 11:42 PM #11
NGU's Random
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It's somewhere in between
02-25-2013, 06:59 PM #12
NeedaLifeSoon
Retired Life
I find it ironic that this site's members will neg the shit out of someone for a C/P thread or post, but can spend time debating the morality of stealing a company's intellectual or physical properties.
I guess morality can be better judged on how directly it benefits you :p

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02-25-2013, 07:45 PM #13
Mr Grumpy
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Mixed, because some stuff are just not worth the money in some cases. IE Developer produces a $50 program but OP it at $150+. Which is a ridiculous amount. Some programs on the other hand are infact worth the money likes some DAW's (digital audio workstation's) such as fruity loops where you buy once license key and all updates and versions are included with it. OP programs such as Photoshop should be pirated, because they charge for a program that you'll spend more than $200 dollars on, and there are free alternatives and the licence if I'm right only lasts for that particular version.
02-26-2013, 12:08 AM #14
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by NeedaLifeSoon View Post
I find it ironic that this site's members will neg the shit out of someone for a C/P thread or post, but can spend time debating the morality of stealing a company's intellectual or physical properties.
I guess morality can be better judged on how directly it benefits you :p

I think the issue comes from, 1) It does benefit them, 2) Intellectual Properties don't feel like they hold physical impact.

In terms of Social Engineering, I don't really have words for it.
02-26-2013, 12:25 AM #15
SnD_Boosters
Who’s Jim Erased?
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
I think the issue comes from, 1) It does benefit them, 2) Intellectual Properties don't feel like they hold physical impact.

In terms of Social Engineering, I don't really have words for it.


I know I may sound like a complete dumbass but, what exactly is Social Engineering?
02-26-2013, 01:03 AM #16
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Everything has a price, but when you boot up that computer, prices... dont really matter much anymore...

Im not really against piracy, but some things just NEED to get pirated to wake up the companies who own said hardware, some of the prices for selling that stuff is ridiculous, even if it IS getting updated, its not like third party companies are selling this stuff, these are big time companies that are already making assloads of cash, and they are going to boast about their tech when its probably average in comparison to some freeware or even self made data.

Still, things that have a fair price, and are worth what they are actually worth shouldnt get acquired by illegal means at all, it means that the other party buying it supports the people who make the stuff, also some people like to try it out and see if its worth buying, but dont they have demos/trials for that kind of thing? Even so the trials/demos probably dont give the user a unique enough experience to decide to buy anyway...
02-26-2013, 02:48 AM #17
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Boosters View Post
I know I may sound like a complete dumbass but, what exactly is Social Engineering?

When people trick companies into giving them products through fraud.

---------- Post added at 06:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:46 PM ----------

Originally posted by Keomo View Post
Everything has a price, but when you boot up that computer, prices... dont really matter much anymore...

Im not really against piracy, but some things just NEED to get pirated to wake up the companies who own said hardware, some of the prices for selling that stuff is ridiculous, even if it IS getting updated, its not like third party companies are selling this stuff, these are big time companies that are already making assloads of cash, and they are going to boast about their tech when its probably average in comparison to some freeware or even self made data.

Still, things that have a fair price, and are worth what they are actually worth shouldnt get acquired by illegal means at all, it means that the other party buying it supports the people who make the stuff, also some people like to try it out and see if its worth buying, but dont they have demos/trials for that kind of thing? Even so the trials/demos probably dont give the user a unique enough experience to decide to buy anyway...

Well to compromise, shouldn't there then just be some better regulation in some aspects? Sort of how the FCC, US here, is pressuring cable companies to advance their networks, stop false advertising, etc...

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02-26-2013, 03:12 AM #18
Originally posted by NeedaLifeSoon View Post
I find it ironic that this site's members will neg the shit out of someone for a C/P thread or post, but can spend time debating the morality of stealing a company's intellectual or physical properties.
I guess morality can be better judged on how directly it benefits you :p


Piracy is copying, not stealing. The original content remains in tact and that's a huge difference.

Now bearing in mind I agree to a large extent with consequentalism, what's wrong with, for example, pirating stuff that I otherwise can't afford? There's no loss to the creator and it can be argued that in fact there's positive gain there insofar as you recommending the material to friends et cetera.
02-26-2013, 03:45 AM #19
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Clutch
Piracy is copying, not stealing. The original content remains in tact and that's a huge difference.

It's intellectual theft essentially.

Originally posted by another user
Now bearing in mind I agree to a large extent with consequentalism, what's wrong with, for example, pirating stuff that I otherwise can't afford? There's no loss to the creator and it can be argued that in fact there's positive gain there insofar as you recommending the material to friends et cetera.

The issue with that argument is that:
1) You are arguing that your friends will indeed buy the game
2) Using assets that don't belong to you in anyway

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