(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Why did you choose to become an atheist, theres many reaosn why i did but nothing i can go into details right now cause i have to go back to work. Also what religion were before you became atheist.

Because there's no logical reason to be anything else. Absolutely none. If you are a capable of making an undiluted, unbiased judgment then you will most probably find this to be true as well.

I was confirmed as a Roman Catholic in eighth grade.



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I'd like to see all the research done on that one.



NO! Atheism is NOT a religion.



Dude, you just threatened us with eternal suffering. Obviously people are going to take offense to your bigotry.



Do you even know what science is? It's the use of the scientific method to discern fact from fiction. If you have a problem with the scientific method, then maybe you can suggest something that would work better.



How dare you, you prejudiced ****. Here you sit, proud of your arrogance and ignorance, completely apathetic to other people's well being. "Oh well, you'll understand when you're suffering forever." You dare use threats to convert us to your ancient superstitions. You are a detriment to humanity.



And you know this through your eternal wisdom?



It's a shame because he figured out there's literally no logical reason to believe in your magic, invisible man? He didn't even believe in your particular brand of god anyway, so why do you care?



FLAMING!?! Ever since you started posting you've been threatening atheists, trying to scare us into your beliefs, yet you blame us for FLAMING!?

I knew you would reply to this. No I'm not flaming,just letting you all know. I don't really care to be honest what happens to you guys. I'm not even going to argue back because you will just start with science and all. So yh,I wasn't threatening you,sorry if you thought that,but I was just warning you. And no,I wasn't trying to convert you guys by saying that. No need to swear. This is why I stopped,because I knew somebody would swear over it and I was right.

If you didn't care then why would take time out to post in here.

only rookies back down from a debate... Elfmotat is like the perfect athiest role model, the meaning why we choose to be who we are. Hes well educated and truly understand what he states(the facts). On the other hand its people like you shadow rida who give christians a bad name. Im sure the reason you back away from this debate is because its a battle you cant win even if you threaten athiest. In your religion your suppose to accept people for who they are not for what they believe in. YOU just did a nono so you my friend are going to "hell".

That's true,so I'm stopping now.



BAHAHA!! What would you know?

The Facts. You might aswell stop and leave this debate like you said you were.

You weren't threatening us? You said we would see when judgment day came. How the hell is that not a threat?

And why, exactly, don't you care what happens to us? Are you really that uncaring for your fellow man that you would knowingly stand by while they are sent to eternal torture and suffering.

Now I ask you, if you have any evidence of what you claim, then present it now.

Rawr. Ima beast so me and Coltz will tag team ya'll. Soon enough you'll find out who this is and it will most likely get deleted. I decided to check up on mah NGU kids and saw this and just had to pwn little elfie. So here. I won't probably get to post again so I may decide to make another account but probably not so soak it all in. I can disprove all the retarded zeitgist and stuff like that too. But save that for later when I can't post .

Before you guys flip out I'll point some things out to you. Yes this is LONG. No I did not write it all. No I did not copy and paste from the internet. One of the wisest men I know put this together and emailed it to me. He was using it for mission trips I think. I have read all of it and talked to him about all of it, so it's not as if I'm just blindly copying and pasting an email I received without knowing anything about it or having nothing to do with it. SO here ya go. (Yes the format and numbering gets a little strange when posted on a forum, I tried messing with it a bit and fixed it up a bit but it's still a bit messy).


Four Convincing Evidences for the God of the Bible
1. Evidence points a creator of the universe
2. Evidence points to an intelligent designer of the universe
3. Evidence points to God as the source of objective moral values
4. God can be immediately known and experienced

1. Evidence points to a Creator of the Universe
• Big bang theory says that the universe was created out of nothing
(nothing=nothing)
-“The response of atheists to this development has been comparably weak;
indeed almost invisible. An uncomfortable silence seems to be the rule when theissue arises among non-believers. The reason for the embarrassment of nontheistsis not hard to find.” Quinton Smith (Atheist Philosopher)

-“A proponent in the “big bang” theory at least if he is an atheist must believe
that the universe came from nothing and by nothing.” Anthony Kenny (Oxford
University)
i. Out of nothing, nothing comes
ii. Must have been a cause which brought the universe into being.
• The number of seconds in the history of the universe is 10 to the 18th power
• The number of subatomic particles in the universe is 10 to the 80th power
Donald Paige (cosmologist) calculated the odds of our universe existing as one
out of 10 billion to the 24th power.
i. “This is the most powerful evidence of the existence of God to ever come
out of science” Robert Jastrow (NASA)

2. Evidence points to an Intelligent Designer of the universe

Six Observable Measures of Divine Authorship in the Cosmos
1) Immeasurable Matter
So how many grains of sand are there in the world? Mathematicians at the
University of Hawaii tried to guess how many grains of sand are on the world’s
beaches. They came up with 7,500,000,000,000,000,000, or seven quintillion
five quadrillion grains of sand. How many stars, galaxies, clusters, QSO’s etc.
are there in the Milky Way galaxy? Recent numbers give about
400,000,000,000 (400 billion) stars. Since NASA estimates the known cosmos
there are at least 100 Billion Galaxies then there are approximately 100 stars inthe universe for every grain of sand on earth.
A. Earth is 8,000 miles in diameter
B. The sun is 864,000 miles indiameter
C. The largest known star is VYCanis Majoris; a red hypergiant star in the constellation Canis Major, located about 5,000 light-years from earth. Roberta Humphreys a professor at the University of Minnesota recently calculated its upper size at more than 2,100 times the size of the sun. If it was place in our
Solar System its surface would extend out past the orbit of Saturn. Light takes more than 8 hours to cross its circumference!

2) Indescribable Energy
A. The WMAP satellite:
i. Indicated that the “universe is vastly larger than the sphere- 13.7 billion
light years in radius- that can be observed from Earth.” (USA Today;
Friday, March 17, 2006)

ii. “WMAP ‘is telling us that the universe is vastly bigger than we ever
imagined-so big that we no longer have any reason to believe that our tiny
patch of it is representative of the whole thing. We, and all we can see,
are at most a tiny dot in an unimaginably large sea of space and time.’”
(USA Today; Friday, March 17, 2006)
iii. “The Universe expanded rapidly growing from the size of a marble to billions of light years across within the first trillionth of a second after its cataclysmic birth” (USA Today; Friday, March 17, 2006) No wonder Dr. Robert Jastrow
proclaimed “now we know with absolute certainty that supernatural forces were at work in the origin of the universe.” (Intellectuals Speak Out About God New York Regenery Gateway 1984 p. 21-22)
B. According to NASA the part of the sun that we see is 9932ºF, and the inner core is 27 million ºF.
C. The brightest star according to NASA is Eta Carina which has about 4.7
million suns worth of light, and the second brightest star is the Peony
Nebula which has about 3.2 million suns worth of light
iv. Chandra can observe X-rays from particles up to the last second before
they fall into a black hole.
ii. Roy Libby the chief engineer on the Chandra said that he has observed
winds inside of Black Holes blowing at speeds in excess of 1 million
M.P.H. He told me that the cosmos began as written in Genesis 1. He
said, “God is omnipotent, God is Timeless, God is order, and God is
good.”

3) Incomprehensible Intelligence
A. Human cell
i. Every cell for the human body is composed of 100 trillion cells each
composed of 1 billion bio-chemical components, and carries 10 million
volumes of information. (Apologetics Press: Reason & Revelation
June 1995 - 15[6]:41-47)
A. Chandra Telescope (launched on July 23,1999)
i. It flies 200 times higher than the Hubble telescope and is more than 1/3 of the way to the moon.
ii. It is the largest satellite the shuttle has ever launched at 45ft long.
iii. Its resolving power is equivalent to the
ability to read a stop sign at a distance of twelve miles.
iv. Each cell has more complexity (information) than the space shuttle. The
shuttle has 5 computers, 2.5 million parts, and over $20 billion has been
spent on the program to date. It takes 16,000 brilliant people pooling their
talents and intelligence to get the shuttle into outer space. (Can Evolution
Produce an Eye? Not a chance! Dr. David N. Menton, April 1994, Vol. 4,
No. 4)
B. Human Eye
“To suppose that the eye, with all of its inimitable contrivances for adjusting
the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and
for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been
formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest
degree.” Charles Darwin (Origin of the Species)
“To this day the eye makes me shutter” Charles Darwin
There are 10 million cells in the retina. Every 1000th of a second, each cell in
the retina performs 500 non linear differential equation 100x each. The
Cray super computer has taken years to accomplish what the eye can accomplish in 1 second. (Can Evolution Produce and Eye? Not a chance! Dr. David N. Menton, April 1994, Vol. 4. No.4)
C. Human Ear
Has the circuitry of every person on Manhattan Island all calling each other
at the same time.
D. Human Brain
i. More complexity than every machine ever built combined.

4) Impeccable Order
A. Anthropic Principle- the universe working in perfect harmony to provide
viable conditions for the life of man on earth.
“Currently, researchers have uncovered twenty-six characteristics
(constants) that must take on narrowly defined 10 to the 40th power: (one
part in ten thousand trillion trillion trillion) values for life of any kind to
possibly exist.” Dr. Hugh Ross (A “Just Right” Universe: Chapter Fourteen,
The Creator and the Cosmos, Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D.)
a. Strong nuclear force constant
b. Weak nuclear force constant
c. Electromagnetic force constant
d. Ratio of electromagnetic force constant to gravitational force
constant
e. Ratio of electron to proton mass
f. Ratio of numbers of protons to electrons Expansion rate of the
universe
g. Entropy level of the universe
h. Mass density of the universe
i. Velocity of light
j. Age of the universe
k. Initial uniformity of radiation
l. Fine structure constant (a number used to describe the fine
structure splitting of spectral lines)
m. average distance between galaxies average distance between stars
n. decay rate of the proton
o. 12Carbon (12C) to 16Oxygen (16O) energy level ratio
p. ground state energy level for 4Helium (4He)
q. decay rate of 8Beryllium (8Be)
r. mass excess of the neutron over the proton
s. initial excess of nucleons over anti-nucleons
t. polarity of the water molecule
u. supernovae eruptions
v. white dwarf binaries
w. ratio of exotic to ordinary matter
x. Gravitational force constant
If larger: stars would be too hot and would burn up too quickly and
too unevenly. If smaller: stars would remain so cool that nuclear fusion would
never ignite, hence no heavy element production.
“The gravitational constant, if it were off by one part in a hundred million million, then the expansion of the universe after the Big Bang would not have occurred in the fashion that was necessary for life to occur. When you look at the evidence, it is very difficult to adopt the view that this was just chance. But if you are willing to consider the possibility of a designer, this becomes a
rather plausible explanation for what is otherwise an exceedingly improbable event- namely, our existence. God is the answer to all those ‘How must it have come to be’ questions.” Dr. Francis Collins (TIME Magazine,
November 13, 2006)
“When I look at the universe I come to realize the universe is not a product of chance, it is held together by formulated mathematical laws and principals. Only intelligence can hold it together. Where does intelligence reside but in a person, but in this case it may be a supernatural person we call God” Albert Einstein

5) Irreducible Complexity
“By irreducible complexity I mean a single system which is composed of
several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the
removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease
functioning” Dr. Michael Behe (Darwin’s Black Box)
A. Behe uses a mouse trap to explain this claim:
i. a flat wooden platform to act as a base
ii. a metal hammer, which does the actual job of crushing the little mouse
iii. a spring with extended ends to press against the platform and the hammer
when the trap is charged
iv. a sensitive catch that releases when slight pressure is applied
v. a metal bar that connects to the catch and holds the hammer back when
the trap is charged (there are also assorted staples to hold the system
together)
“Which part could be missing and still allow you to catch a mouse? If the
wooden base were gone, there would be no platform for attaching the other
components. If the hammer were gone, the mouse could dance all night on theplatform without becoming pinned to the wooden base. If there were no spring, the hammer and platform would jangle loosely, and again the rodent would be unimpeded. If there were no catch or metal holding bar, then the spring would snap the hammer shut as soon as you let go of it...” Dr. Michael Behe (Darwin’s Black Box)
““The incompetency of ‘Natural Selection’ to account for the Incipient Stages of Useful Structures”… (Charles Darwin)But how do you get from nothing to such an elaborate something if evolution must proceed through a long sequence of intermediate stages, each favored by natural selection? You can’t fly with 2% of a wing or gain much protection from an iota’s similarity with a potentially concealing piece of vegetation. How, in other words, can natural selection explain these incipient stages of structures that can only be used (as we now observe them) in much more elaborated form?...one point stands high above the rest: The dilemma of incipient stages. Mivart identified this as primary and it remains so today.” Stephen J. Gould (“Not necessarily a Wing” October 1985)

6) Inexplicable wonder
A. The Mysterious Dance of the Honey Bee
Without bees, agriculture could simply not exist. And without growing crops, you could not exist. Bees handle up to 80 percent of all pollination done by insects and some agriculturists estimate that each bee is worth about 100 dollars to American crop growers. Bees pollinate 50 different agricultural crops in the United States alone. To Show the importance of bees in pollinating, an experiment was performed. One branch of a pear tree was tied with gauze so that bees could
not get to it. The branch did not yield on single fruit. Another branch, with an
equal amount of blossoms, was exposed to bees. It produced 33 pears.
Bees are accomplished architects. Bees have a phenomenal memory for places.
In a sense, bees are map makers and map readers-being expert at finding their
way home through the use of landmarks. They can sense gravity. They possess
a sophisticated guidance system and navigation equipment.
Bees have a built-in clock by which they can tell the time of day. They have a
unique method of air conditioning the hive. Bees possess a built-in perfume
bottle. Through it, they let out a scent that will guide other bees to a certain spot.
Bees have a built-in polarizer and advanced orientation equipment in order to
navigate from place to place
In the United States alone there are 5 million colonies producing about 250
million pounds of honey a year and 5 million pounds of beeswax.
Bees must exist in colonies. A honey-bee cannot exist alone. A hive of bees is
one organism. Each member of that hive is merely considered a part of the
organism-which cannot exist unless all the bees cooperate in keeping the whole
functioning. A fairly strong colony will contain from forty to seventy thousand
bees.
It is a marvel of organization. Without a real leader-the queen merely being the
egg-laying machine-each bee knows what the needs of the hive are.
Beeswax is a remarkable substance. It has the highest melting point of any
known wax-approximately 140 ºF. This ensures that the combs will not melt
when the hive reaches 110º during the summer heat. The cells are miracles of
craftsmanship. The walls are only two thousandths of an inch thick- the same
thickness as the diameter of the hairs on your head. Yet, one pound of comb will
support at least 25 pounds of honey.
Each of the side walls combine to form a regular hexagon. Dr. Karl von Frisch, a
recognized authority on bee behavior, remarked: “The bees, with their hexagon
cells, have in fact discovered the best and most economical plan conceivable.
How they arrived at this, none of our learned men has so far been able to
discover. (The Dancing Bees, Karl von Frisch, pg 8.)
How did bees ever stumble upon the neat,
hexagonal rows that make up their combs?
“In all probability, insect architecture evolved over
immense stretches of time.” (The Insects, Peter
Farb, LIFE Nature Library, pgs. 77-7
But does it really work that way? Or is it only in
the imaginations of the authors?
“Actually it would be more appropriate to think of
them first of all as the great pollinators, without
whom many of the plants upon which mankind
depends would ‘disappear from the earth’” (“The
Honeybee” Ronald Ribbands, Scientific
American, August, 1955)
Which Came first? The plant needing to be pollinated by bees? Or the bees,
needing to manufacture their life Source-honey-from the pollen of the plant?
If the plant came first, then obviously they had to be the type of plants which do
not require pollination from bees. But if they didn’t require bees-then there was
no “motivation” or “resident force” which led to bees evolving to fill the
requirement- since the requirement didn’t exist. If plants were “surviving” without
bees then there was never a need for any other types of plants to develop certain
“coloration” and smells to attract bees-since there were not bees to attract.
A honeybee cannot exist alone. It must be a member from 40-70 thousand
workers, a number drones and one queen. But how did this begin? Did one
original “bee” evolve all by himself? Does evolution argue that perhaps millions
of “pre-bees” were going through various mutations and “gradual” changes which
finally all arrived at once as a full-fledged colony of bees, with workers, drones
and one queen?
What does this little “pre-bee” eat? Pollen” If so, then how come modern bees
don’t? They manufacture their food. They do it by an elaborate process,
including the most demanding engineering and construction, even to the
secretions of body wax, and chemical mixtures in the mouth, and clipping by
powerful mandibles into brick-like strips for the forming of perfect hexagonal cells
with just the right degree of slant, lip, and the identical, monotonously similar
appearance. And, there are no “Pre-Bees” of any kind found in the fossil
records.
Somewhere, somehow-there had to be that very first bee colony. There had to
be, sometime, somewhere, the very first honey-maker, wax manufacturer, pollengatherer,
and hive builder. There had to be the very first bee stinger. And the
very first queen, drone, and worker.
Unless bees sprang into existence suddenly, in a colony-with their little
computerized instincts causing them to do exactly as they are doing-they could
not have, by the wildest stretch of the most crassly uninformed, brutish, doltish
guesswork, have evolved gradually! With bees, colonies, wax and honey-and
the flowers, pollen, and plants-it’s either all or nothing at all. The difficulties for
evolution are endless.
When did the amazing dance originate? Where did their architectural origin
originate from? How did an entire colony evolve at once? How is it that all of
these intricate characteristics come to be fully functional at once in order for the
insect to exist?
What does all this prove? It proves evolution is impossible to accept-unless you
want to make of it a religion and accept it without proof, on empty faith.
(Armstong, Garner Ted; Kroll, Paul. “To Bee or Not To Bee-A Stinging Blow To
Evolution.” The Plain Truth. January, 1969 pgs. 23-30)

B. Monarch Butterfly Migration (over 3000 miles)
i. Feb/March- Hibernating monarchs in the Sierra Madre Mountains in
Mexico awaken, and using a mysterious and inexplicable combination of
navigation skills, an intense weather station, a seasonal time clock, a oneof-
a-kink Global Positioning System (GPS) start mating and begin their
flight north to a specific pre-designated location they have never
personally seen in Saskatchewan, Canada where they lay eggs and then
die.
ii. March/April- the 1st generation is born
and dies after mating and laying eggs.
iii. May/June- the 2nd generation is born
and dies after mating and laying eggs.
iv. July/August- the 3rd generation is born
and dies after mating and laying eggs.
v. Sept/October- the 4th generation is
born and finishes the journey to the
same tree that his great-great-great
grandparents came from. This
generation does not die until 6-8
months later after migrating south and hibernating and begins the journey
back to Mexico. (Monarch Butterfly USA - Life Cycle)

C. Eagle Eyes
i. Eagles are capable of seeing fish in the water from several hundred feet
above, while soaring, gliding or in flapping flight
ii. They are up to 8 times sharper than that of a human
iii. They have two foveae or centers of focus, that allow them to see both
forward and to the side at the same time.
iv. They have a nictitating membrane, which is a
secondary eyelid that protect and clean the eyes.
In addition, two sets of eyebrows shield its eyes
from intense sun glare. This makes it possible for
the eagle to stare directly toward the sun in its
mid-morning hunts without danger of damage.
v. It has about 1 million cones per millimeter in the
fovea compared to 200,000 per millimeter in a
human.

Darwin’s Bedrock Falters
Four Scientifically Disproven Fallacies
“Matter is eternal. All the material in the universe is
the result of chance arrangements of atoms
responding to known physical and chemical laws; life
arose from non-living matter and the diversity of living
systems is the result of random mutations acted upon
by natural selection.” Charles Darwin
1) Matter is eternal
A. For centuries scientist believed that the
universe itself was constant; the universe
had no beginning or no end. But Einstein’s
“Theory of Relativity” in 1920 challenged that long held idea indeed. In 1929,
astronomer Edwin Hubble, from the Mt. Wilson observatory overlooking Los
Angeles, confirmed Einstein’s theoretical predictions with imperial science.
Hubble noticed that the entire universe was indeed moving away from us in
all directions. Therefore if the universe was rapidly expanding, scientists
concluded that if they could rewind cosmic history (like running a motion
picture film backwards through a projector) the cosmos would be seen
shrinking over time; going all the way back to a time (believed by many
scientists today without the supernatural God factor) of 15-20 billion years
ago when the cosmos was a mere mathematical point or in empty space.
The great telescopes of modern science continue to verify this view.
2) The Universe is the Result of Chance
A. Preposterous
i. Immeasurable Matter
ii. Indescribable Energy
iii. Incomprehensible Intelligence
iv. Impeccable Order
v. Irreducible Complexity
vi. Inexplicable Wonder
“When I look at the universe I come to realize the
universe is not a product of chance, it is held together
by formulated mathematical laws and principals. Only
intelligence can hold it together. Where does
intelligence reside but in a person, but in this case it
may be a supernatural person we call God.” Albert
Einstein
“The Big Bang theory is scientifically brain dead…one
may wonder what came before the Big Bang? If space
and time did not exist then, how could everything
appear from nothing?” Renowned Cosmologist Andre
Linde, Ph.D. Stanford University (Scientific American, November 1994)
3) Life Arose from Non-living Matter
“The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of
the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop.” Dr.
Edwin Conklin Professor of Biology, Princeton University (Reader's Digest,
January 1963, p. 92)
“It is emphatically the case that life could not arise spontaneously in a primeval
soup from its kind.” Dr. A.E. Wilder Smith (Former
evolutionist) Ph.D. in physical; organic chemistry at
University of Reading, England (1941); Doctorate in
Pharmacological Sciences from Eidgenossische
Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of
Technology) in Zurich; D.Sc in Pharmacological
Sciences from University of Geneva (1964); “Golden
Apple” awards for best course of lectures; Former
Director of Research for Swiss pharmaceutical
company, Author or co-author of over 70 scientific
publication and more than 30 books published in 17 languages; NATO 3-Star
General.
4) The Diversity of Living Systems is the Result of Random Mutations Acted Upon by Natural Selection
“No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of
evolution. There is no law against day dreaming, but science must not indulge in
it.” Dr. Pierre-Paul Grosse former president of the French Academie des Science
and the scientist who held the Chair of Evolution at the Sorbonne in Paris for 20
years (Pierre-Paul Grosse, Past-President, French Academie des Science,
Evolution of Living Organisms Academic Press, New York p. 8
“The vast majority of mutations are detrimental to the species” Dr. H.J. Mueller
Evolutionist (“How Radiation Changes the Genetic Constitution”, Bulletin of the
Atomic Scientists, vol. 11, No. 9 (Nov. 1955) pg. 100, 103)
“The explanation value of the evolutionary hypothesis of common origin is nil!
Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, it seems to convey anti-knowledge.
How could I work on evolution for ten years and learn nothing from it? Most of
you in this room will have to admit that in the last ten years we have seen the
basis of evolution go from fact to faith! It does seem that the level of knowledge
about evolution is remarkably shallow” Dr. Collin Patterson, Chief Paleontologist
at the British Museum of natural History. (Spoken to the American Museum of
Natural History November 5, 1981)
“I suppose that nobody will deny that it is a great misfortune if an entire branch of
science becomes addicted to a false theory, but this is what happened in
biology…I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest
deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the
question, ‘How did this ever happen?’” Dr. Soren Lovtrup Professor of Zoophysiology
at the University of Umea in Sweden (Darwinism: Refutation of a Myth
p. 30 Dr. Soren Lovtrup)

3. Evidence points to God as the Source of Objective Moral Values.
If God does not exist then Objective Moral Values do not exist.
“If there are objective values they make the existence of God more probable than
it would have been without them.” J.L. Mackey, Oxford Atheist
“Morality is a biological adaptation, no less than our hands and feet and teeth
considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an object are something,
ethics is illusory. I appreciate when somebody says, ‘Love thy neighbor as thy
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self,’ they think they are referring to something above and beyond themselves.
Never the less such references is truly without foundation, morality is just an aide
to survival and reproduction, and any deeper meaning is illusory.” Michael Ruse
Philosopher of Science

Do Objective Moral Values Exist?
Yes No It is always wrong to sexually and physically abuse helpless children.
Yes No It is always right to trust homeless people with civility and kindness.
Yes No It is always wrong to steal money from an impoverished blind person’s cup who is begging for coins.
Yes No It is always wrong to terrorize a school and kill innocent students.
Yes No It is always wrong to rape innocent girls.
Where do those (and countless other) moral absolutes originate?



B. Secular Humanism
“What is true for you may not be right for me.”
“Truth is what you make of it.”
“If it feels good, Do it.”
What is the “Trump” Suit for you?
T-Tradition- Apostles’ creed, Doxology, Church
Dogma
R-Reason -Logic, “science,” Intellectual
Reasoning, Apologetics
E- Emotion- Feelings, Rationalization, Justified
Behavior
E- Experience- relativism, what’s right for you
may not be right for me
Roots: Divine Revelation (Scripture) or Secular
Humanistic Rationale
Tradition? I believe because my church says or my nation says, or my culture says.
Reason? I believe it because the textbooks say.
Emotion? I believe it because it feels right.
Experience? I believe it but it may or may not be right for everyone.
Or Divine Revelation? I believe it because scripture says it’s God’s word.

2. “Science”
A. Secular Worldview:
Tradition: Darwinism. Humans evolve from slime- The White Male is the
highest form of the evolutionary chain of order and
complexity. (Darwin’s Book “Origin of the Species”
subtitle “The Preservation of Favored Races” God has
been invented by man.
Reason: Big Bang spontaneous generation, mutations,
natural selection, survival of the fittest. The apes abandon
their young why should humans be held accountable for
doing the same?
Emotion: Pantheism. The tree is my brother. My tree is my friend. I
love my tree. My tree is my daughter.
Experience: As animals congregate in herds and flocks, and determine
laws of behavior for their “village” that reflect the “survival of the fittest”
principle, so it is with man and his “village.”
B. Biblical Worldview:
Tradition: Scripture Trumps Tradition. God created man “in His image”-
God invented man and places His laws in scripture and on man’s heart
through the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Reason: Scripture Trumps Reason
• Explosions do not create order and complexity
• Random chance does not create intelligence
• Second Law of Thermodynamics: Entropy
• Life doesn’t originate from non-life
• More complex species do not evolve from lower forms of life
• Nothing times nothing equals nothing
• There is not any fossil evidence and there is no historical evidence
for species evolution.
Emotion: Scripture Trumps Emotion. Emotions do not “evolve.” Emotions
do not arise out of nothingness. Emotions are often deceitful. Emotions
change like the seasons.
Experience: Scripture Trumps Experience
Although it is impossible to re-create the Origin of the Cosmos true
empirical science supports the Genesis 1 account more closely than
atheistic reasoning.

4. God can be immediately known and experienced
• Your Faith
• Billions of fulfilled Believers worldwide and throughout history
• 176,000 new believers everyday in the world.
• Lives radically and instantly transformed worldwide.
• In 1950 China had approximately one million Christians, today that number
has grown to 125-150 million.
• In 1900 Africa had approximately nine million Christians. Today Africa has
approximately 390 million Christians.
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• In 1974 Iran had approximately 500 Christians when the Radical Muslim
Revolution took over the government in Iran. Today there are estimates of 6-
7 million Christians in Iran.

dd you find that on wiki? if you did your source is invalid lol.