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Just post if you like him and what he is doing or not
if not why!

Personally, I do not like him. I do not understand how you can force people to have healthcare insurance.

Show me anyone who like him, I WILL change his/her mind in less than a minute.
They only thing he is doing a good job at is making more enemies.

FUCK THE MAN/AGEMENT

Steve dont get me wrong i dont think this administration is good but you cant make people change their minds about, if someone likes him, its too late

Simple he suxxxx

As somebody on the outside of this debate whole framing has me confused. Worrying development in the structure/framing. My view is rather British You must login or register to view this content. I like him, ideology wise feel he less neoclassical and neoliberal.
Appears to be a ignorance and rather irrational hate of thinking outside of the neoclassical school of thinking.
People are unwilling to think or even take on ideas which are outside their own box.

From a intelligent stand point that is stagnation a worrying trend.
United states of America runs the real risk of stagnation and decline due to how the party system works.
His hands are tied in what he can do which makes me sad instead of making strong leadership the system creates weakness.



Whole framing of the healthcare debate is wrong :p
Healthcare is a net positive for starters it makes people healthier which in turns means people can work longer. Healthier people mean less crime and less strain on services overall.
Taxes are the price you pay for society, they help pay for roads, education and many other things.
A Lot of evidence that the healthcare system is unproductive, inefficient and god damn waste of money. Pooling your money together normal means insurance for everybody and creating a better deal for everybody. For the average person the tax they would have to pay which goes to healthcare would be far lower compared to their insurance bill at the moment.
You don't have to worry about paying that bill comes out of your tax and is always covered.

Obama care was the government trying to get insurance system to work better by pooling resources together more. Massachusetts health care reform had a goal sort of like that small changes but key ones none the less.
Another way of looking at it every sick person could be treated is being wasted due to one policy, makes rational sense when somebody else could easy pay for their healthcare. Wasting human capital due to irrational reasons.

Never looked at it from that perspective. But coldlm does have a point. US has gained more enemies. I have also been told that a Muslim church is being built on Ground Zero, how can we let that happen?!

Your stand is build as an outsider (not a us citizen, so any info you get/got from the main stream media is 90% false 100% of the time), you dont know half of it, i still respect what you are saying though.

I can give you a couple things
- he lied about every single thing he promised,
He singed on the NDAA, and he already used the act and killed 8 americans without any valid reasons
he singed the big brother program
the obama healthcare, simple, his plan means if you get sick its better to have money or kill your self

i can keep talking like this for days... but the fact he is obviously a puppet being controlled by the big guys with big bucks.

and im not saying this because im poor or just cant get by, living good, have enough to live good.

World is changing with power, influence and goals are shifting.
Entered a period of G zero or Zero influence. No one side has enough influence to drive the world in their vision. America was able to join together a group of nations with the same goals which meant it was able to push it influence around the world. No longer the case the gap is growing between old allies which helped to support this model.
Germany being a key player is out of tune with the American thinking, Britain is sleeping walking away from the EU. European nations are becoming less of a union. Inward looking due to fear and unwilling to work together.

America is looking towards Asia/Africa success requires a pivot, which is why Germany has become a pivot state along with important.
American goals are changing that means certain states are no longer important or falling into line with American thinking. Can't change the world on your own that obvious, middle east being an obvious example that needs arab action. KSA needs to answer some harsh truths.

Rise of China in Asia is a problem for Japan.

Islam is not your enemy, more the toxic ideology claiming to be Islam.

Obama has been leading from behind instead of being a pivot but given how complex,unstable and chaos in the world can you blame him?

I dont believe that the islam is our big problem but definitely im with you on that
it feels lie every decision have been made was made for unknown reason not really for our best interest.