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03-24-2016, 07:54 AM #11
naxking
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Originally posted by Octolus View Post
Yes. There are "plenty" of Muslims standing against ISIS. But as we both know, it's not enough. If there was more, it would help. And why isn't there more?

Most of the Islamic countries hold big grudges against western countries.

The Quran, is a very very old one. The new Bible for example; was updated. Because everyone knows, that you can't live with words that was created 2,000 years ago. I think that's also a big issue with Islam, that the Quran is not updated and most likely will not be.

Stoning, Child Marriage and more in year 2,000? Come on, we have way more education than what they did 2,000 years ago. The world has changed.

Either way, "The Islamic State" is not any other religion, it's created within Islam and the muslims should be the ones fighting against it. If all the Islamic countries stood against it, they would never exist. Just like there is no terrorism in other religion.

People are escaping countries ran by Sharia Laws, to get some freedom.

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam

Seen several examples where Woman have been raped, they ended up getting stoned. For me, it's pretty obvious why ISIS, is in Islam and not other religions.



PS. Nobody should get offended from this, it's what the Quran says.

Offended but not violently offended. Just slightly disappointed you didn't bother asking if you were mistaken what you just said. You simply typed everything you "knew" and act as everything you just said was true expecting no one to get offended.

I'm debating whether to correct you because from my experiences, not many people actually listened to me and understood what they were meant to. But I'm just going to correct you, and I hope you'll read what I said and understand I am just correcting you not bashing you, that's all. You can believe what you want but it's always the best to learn from the true Muslim people, including me. I love my faith and my life just as others living their faith as Christian.

I'm not sure why you said "plenty", especially when there's 1.6 billion Muslim on this planet and ISIS is made up of probably less than 0.1%
Stand up? I agree with you, except we've been standing up since 9/11. It's not like we could actually talk to ISIS and tell them to stop unless you're interested in recruiting and that's when you can get in touch with them .. unless they're the undercover FBI agents.

Why aren't there more standing up? Maybe cause we don't see it enough. From my eyes and my friends' who aren't Muslim, we see it everywhere on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. Well except for CNN page or FOX News page, cause it's spammed with so-called intelligent people seeking to destroy Islam. I knew they weren't right-minded. My point is, we don't see many people defending themselves and standing up which there are many of them but it's being taken over by the hate commenters. Plus Islamophobia is rising so I don't know how to defend that.

Islamic Countries, I'm going to assume you meant Saudi Arabia? Or Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Egypt? Remember, some countries have many Christians and Jewish living in there. Many of them were threatened by ISIS to convert to Islam which is sickening to me. Like how can you convert to something you don't truly know about or have interest or love? It's either kill their families or convert. Face it, if I had to convert to Buddhism to save my family, I would. So ISIS is probably filled with many "Muslim" militants chanting the same word all day not knowing what the fuck it's really meant for.

I didn't know Bible was updated regularly which is cool but remember, just because Bible gets updated doesn't mean Quran should too. But we make newer books, and we make the app where you can read it online for free. It's a meaningful holy book TO MUSLIM people filled with words sent from our God back in old days. (By the way, I saw a video recently of captured Boko Haram militant who also pledged to join ISIS. He was told by the police to perform prayer or read the Quran. Guess what? That retard militant didn't know how to. Still wondering how FOX News didn't show it yet.)

Stoning, Child Marriage, and more? Yeah, we are against it except nobody cares what we think. If I recall, it's the Middle Eastern countries that have terrible systems and have serious issues which is so disappointing. They couldn't turn their countries into multicultural country like USA or Canada. I'm going to guess Middle Eastern always had that problem for long times. I'm sure non-Muslim living in Muslim countries faced it too. Not just Muslim which is why I'm a follower of UNICEF, HR (Human Rights) pledging to stop all these ridiculous "traditions".

Sharia Law can kiss my ass. I'll pee on the face of whoever created it. It was COMPLETELY misinterpreted. No wonders ISIS, Taliban, and Al Qaeda are so moron.

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand - False, I saw that from ISIS video. If that's how it is in Middle East then shit.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death - Nah fam, false.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death - Never. If it's true, all racists would be dead lol (bad joke)
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death - False. People can deny Allah. Isn't what religion is for? To be curious or to judge? Plus, Allah is the formal word of God. Allah is not God of Moon. Just wanted to point it out.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death - Nah, false. But in Islam, WE BELIEVE WE WILL COMMIT A HUGE SIN if we leave Islam. Doesn't mean we kill people. It's in our minds. Between myself and God (Similar as having sex before marriage in Christianity).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death - False, I don't know where you heard it from bruh.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death - False, but I've heard the case of Muslim woman marrying non-Muslim man faced the excution in "Muslim countries" which is fucking bullshit. It's between her and Allah not between her and the government. Utterly bullshit.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old - False, even though it's sickening. Allah said we marry someone our age. Child marriage is forbidden. If you see that on internet, I promise you it's fake.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251) - 50/50, men's penis are must to be circumcision, and few women who have HUGE clitoris, should have a small part of it to be cut. "Ibn Qudamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said, in his book al-Mughni: "Circumcision is obligatory for men, and it is an honour for women, but it is not obligatory for them. This is the opinion of many scholars. (Imam) Ahmad said: For men it is more strictly required, but for women it is less strictly required." (al-Mughni 1/70)."
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more - True, men can have up to 4 wives, and women cannot have more than 1 husband (There's a reason provided in Quran which made completely sense in Islamic matter.) Anyway, there's many in Middle East not in USA. I have no interest anyway. It's the modern days and nobody does it, really.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce - False, Women can divorce as much as she wants.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination - False, I wonder where you heard this from, but really, don't tell me.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman - Disgusting but false - I know I am right.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s) - False. I don't need to say anything else cause it's simply false. Women can testify against anyone even the pizza delivery guy.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's - False but I think that's how it works in Middle East. Remember, Middle East, not Islam.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits - False, Women are independent and can keep everything she makes. It even says so in Quran and I witnessed it. Including my mother, my all female relatives.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval) - False, women can drive a car, a plane, a boat. Perhaps, there was a news recently, three muslim women were photographed recently flying plane and successfully landed in a country, which I am not sure. They still were made fun of by racists, from the comments I've read.
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative - False, women can speak to anyone.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal. - True, we recite something before we kill the animal. We eat it normal as you guys. Mark, CEO of Facebook, doesn't eat any meat unless he kills it. I see no difference.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam - False

You do know Islam was made into two different groups - Shiite and Sunnis? I am Sunnis and it represents the entire Islam religion. After reading what you wrote, I think you're referring to Shiite's law which is laughable to me cause I seen so many Shiite people in here and they're nowhere like these in Middle Eastern. Till this day, I wonder what runs in their mind. What ISIS does including all these punishments you provided, is true. Doesn't mean it's true in Islam. Still wishing people would actually stop thinking ISIS has to do with Islam and join us fighting back against ISIS.

Overall, Islam is just a religion like Christianity. We have different rules but we have many similar rules which is why we are brothers and sisters. We are just like you, except we got unlucky - our faith being robbed.

Anyway, I'll say this again, women have 100% freedom as everyone else in this planet. Just not in Middle East who are falsely changing our religion which all the truths are in the holy book but I'm guessing they're too dumb to read anyway. I'm gonna go and watch The Revenant. I hope you read some of what I said. Remember, I don't care what you truly think or believe, but it's always the best to learn from true and loving Muslim American citizen. Rather than the crazy ass old man with huge beard, crooked teeths, crazy eyes with ak-47. I don't think you're racist even I never called you one. Just simply misinterpreted and I could've ignored you but you're on the awesome forum, NGU so you're like us. Salute fam.

By the way, I remember seeing SO many pictures on Twitter / Facebook with fake stuffs they created using the Paint on computer. Like they actually googled an ugly picture, changed the background colors and added the fake stuffs people would easily read and believe. Unbelievable ..

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03-24-2016, 11:36 AM #12
Octolus
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Originally posted by naxking View Post
Offended but not violently offended. Just slightly disappointed you didn't bother asking if you were mistaken what you just said. You simply typed everything you "knew" and act as everything you just said was true expecting no one to get offended.


The following punishments are within Sharia Law far as I am aware.

The bible was updated, i think one of the reasons must be that we can't live by what people was thinking about 2000 years ago. Yes, same goes to Quran. There are still people following the Quran word-by-word, which in 2016 - will end up in issues and conflicts with other laws and countries.

Also, in most cases I am talking about countries ran by Sharia Law. Where they don't allow Woman, to educate them self, etc.

I don't know if the Sharia Law is even written in the Quran.

PS, you said most of the stuff is false but most of it is actually true. Actually a great example is child marriage (Muhammad marrying 9 year old Aisha) - Yes, it was 1400 years ago so I don't really care. But in some countries, this is allowed.. And those countries are Islamic, most likely also ran by Sharia Law.

I don't have much left to discuss, it's just my point of view.

I know that terrorist groups, such as ISIS wants Europeans and other countries to hate Islam. That way they can recruit more to ISIS, which seems to be working. The ones in ISIS, are mostly from Western countries - and they are the most violence ones. Cutting off heads on videos, etc. It's crazy.

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03-24-2016, 07:19 PM #13
naxking
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Originally posted by Octolus View Post
The following punishments are within Sharia Law far as I am aware.

The bible was updated, i think one of the reasons must be that we can't live by what people was thinking about 2000 years ago. Yes, same goes to Quran. There are still people following the Quran word-by-word, which in 2016 - will end up in issues and conflicts with other laws and countries.

Also, in most cases I am talking about countries ran by Sharia Law. Where they don't allow Woman, to educate them self, etc.

I don't know if the Sharia Law is even written in the Quran.

PS, you said most of the stuff is false but most of it is actually true. Actually a great example is child marriage (Muhammad marrying 9 year old Aisha) - Yes, it was 1400 years ago so I don't really care. But in some countries, this is allowed.. And those countries are Islamic, most likely also ran by Sharia Law.

I don't have much left to discuss, it's just my point of view.

I know that terrorist groups, such as ISIS wants Europeans and other countries to hate Islam. That way they can recruit more to ISIS, which seems to be working. The ones in ISIS, are mostly from Western countries - and they are the most violence ones. Cutting off heads on videos, etc. It's crazy.


Most of stuffs I said are false is actually false in Islam. No kind of punishment are told in Quran. But it is true in countries that is run by Sharia Law like Syria, Iraq and Iran. And yes, Sharia Law wasn't written in the Quran, I know that cause I read it.

ISIS will be defeated and destroyed, but probably not in the next 5 or 10 years. It's gonna take real long time because apparently our government has no idea what to do. I respect your point of view.

P.S, remember women have 100% right in Islam. But if they live in countries run by Sharia Law then unfortunately no, they can't pretty much do anything. This is why it sucks and the countries run by Sharia Law should make a huge change.

This is why nobody wants to tour in country run by Sharia Law cause it's a terrible system and false. It exists in the life but not in Quran. All I'm asking you is not to assume what is in Quran or not. I read Quran and I know Christian people wouldn't like when non-Christian people tell them what's in the Bible and what's not. It's not fair to us.
03-24-2016, 08:25 PM #14
Octolus
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Originally posted by naxking View Post
Most of stuffs I said are false is actually false in Islam. No kind of punishment are told in Quran. But it is true in countries that is run by Sharia Law like Syria, Iraq and Iran. And yes, Sharia Law wasn't written in the Quran, I know that cause I read it.

ISIS will be defeated and destroyed, but probably not in the next 5 or 10 years. It's gonna take real long time because apparently our government has no idea what to do. I respect your point of view.

P.S, remember women have 100% right in Islam. But if they live in countries run by Sharia Law then unfortunately no, they can't pretty much do anything. This is why it sucks and the countries run by Sharia Law should make a huge change.

This is why nobody wants to tour in country run by Sharia Law cause it's a terrible system and false. It exists in the life but not in Quran. All I'm asking you is not to assume what is in Quran or not. I read Quran and I know Christian people wouldn't like when non-Christian people tell them what's in the Bible and what's not. It's not fair to us.


So, where is the Sharia law coming from?

According to some quick Google Search "Sharia law is based on Quran & Hadith".

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03-24-2016, 10:48 PM #15
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Originally posted by Octolus View Post
So, where is the Sharia law coming from?

According to some quick Google Search "Sharia law is based on Quran & Hadith".


I sense this conservation will lead to nowhere because you've proved you're the kind of person who already made his decision so whatever I say, even the truth wouldn't change your mind. Slightly disappointed you'd rather google than believing the actual Muslim NGU member who knows his religion and faith. Hope you'll make your peace someday.

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03-25-2016, 12:24 PM #16
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Originally posted by naxking View Post
I sense this conservation will lead to nowhere because you've proved you're the kind of person who already made his decision so whatever I say, even the truth wouldn't change your mind. Slightly disappointed you'd rather google than believing the actual Muslim NGU member who knows his religion and faith. Hope you'll make your peace someday.


I rather believe Google Searches, where multiply sites and muslims state the Sharia law is coming from Quran and Hadith, than believing you it's not. Just because you are muslim, doesn't mean you are educated to know everything about the Sharia laws or Quran. I'm sorry.

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03-25-2016, 12:32 PM #17
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Originally posted by Octolus View Post
Yes. There are "plenty" of Muslims standing against ISIS. But as we both know, it's not enough. If there was more, it would help. And why isn't there more?

Most of the Islamic countries hold big grudges against western countries.

The Quran, is a very very old one. The new Bible for example; was updated. Because everyone knows, that you can't live with words that was created 2,000 years ago. I think that's also a big issue with Islam, that the Quran is not updated and most likely will not be.

Stoning, Child Marriage and more in year 2,000? Come on, we have way more education than what they did 2,000 years ago. The world has changed.

Either way, "The Islamic State" is not any other religion, it's created within Islam and the muslims should be the ones fighting against it. If all the Islamic countries stood against it, they would never exist. Just like there is no terrorism in other religion.

People are escaping countries ran by Sharia Laws, to get some freedom.

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam

Seen several examples where Woman have been raped, they ended up getting stoned. For me, it's pretty obvious why ISIS, is in Islam and not other religions.



PS. Nobody should get offended from this, it's what the Quran says.




ISIS aren't muslims.
/thread
03-25-2016, 12:50 PM #18
Octolus
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Originally posted by Passion View Post
ISIS aren't muslims.
/thread


If you are not bothered to discuss then stay out of the topic, linking a single random video that proves what? I don't know, i won't even waste my time on watching it.

If they are not Muslims, what are they then? Explain to me please Smile They follow the Quran, word-by-word. They also use laws, such as Sharia Law, based on the Quran.

I expect some more than a video and "ISIS aren't muslims"..
03-25-2016, 12:52 PM #19
Passion
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Originally posted by Octolus View Post
If you are not bothered to discuss then stay out of the topic, linking a single random video that proves what? I don't know, i won't even waste my time on watching it.

If they are not Muslims, what are they then? Explain to me please Smile They follow the Quran, word-by-word.


Watch it lol.
I cba to discuss the topic because it will lead to nowhere, you'll just use google against me >_<

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