Post: June 23rd EU Referendum - Are you in or out?
06-04-2016, 09:57 PM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So the EU referendum is fast approaching and the debate is really starting to heat up now and will no doubt continue to do so over the next 3 weeks. How are those of you here that are eligible to vote feeling, are you voting to remain, leave or still undecided?

I'll be voting leave, from what I've seen the EU does not benefit the small guy at all, the only people waving the remain flag are multi-national business leaders and other people with clear vested interests in Europe All the other countries and their leaders say remain but that's again only because Britain being in the EU is in their countries interest not our own interest, the more and more I watch debates and read articles, the position to vote leave becomes even more obvious and all the remain side does is use scaremongering to try to influence people, this week we've have Michael Gove and David Cameron both on televised debates and Cameron was absolutely destroyed, could not give a single decent argument to remain and Michael Gove came across strongly with convincing arguments to leave. Just finished watching the Express debate and again leave were far stronger refuting all the points remain brought up and again the remain side came across as either downplaying how strong the UK is or only being favourable for people that run a fucking business evidenced by the fact they had a young entrepreneur on the remain panel whose only interest was so they can trade easily with Europe and get cheap Eastern European workers which thereby drives down the wages of the low skilled British workers. I'd be interested to know if there's actually anyone here that is in favour of remaining, so far I've not met many people at my university with that position and a family member this week who was a devout remain supported changed side to leave this which honestly I thought I wouldn't see so it appears the tides are turning. Also leave is pushing ahead in the phone and online polls now too.

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06-05-2016, 12:12 AM #2
Geo
Don't Believe The Title
Originally posted by Madison
So the EU referendum is fast approaching and the debate is really starting to heat up now and will no doubt continue to do so over the next 3 weeks. How are those of you here that are eligible to vote feeling, are you voting to remain, leave or still undecided?

I'll be voting leave, from what I've seen the EU does not benefit the small guy at all, the only people waving the remain flag are multi-national business leaders and other people with clear vested interests in Europe All the other countries and their leaders say remain but that's again only because Britain being in the EU is in their countries interest not our own interest, the more and more I watch debates and read articles, the position to vote leave becomes even more obvious and all the remain side does is use scaremongering to try to influence people, this week we've have Michael Gove and David Cameron both on televised debates and Cameron was absolutely destroyed, could not give a single decent argument to remain and Michael Gove came across strongly with convincing arguments to leave. Just finished watching the Express debate and again leave were far stronger refuting all the points remain brought up and again the remain side came across as either downplaying how strong the UK is or only being favourable for people that run a fucking business evidenced by the fact they had a young entrepreneur on the remain panel whose only interest was so they can trade easily with Europe and get cheap Eastern European workers which thereby drives down the wages of the low skilled British workers. I'd be interested to know if there's actually anyone here that is in favour of remaining, so far I've not met many people at my university with that position and a family member this week who was a devout remain supported changed side to leave this which honestly I thought I wouldn't see so it appears the tides are turning. Also leave is pushing ahead in the phone and online polls now too.

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I am 2 months off being able to vote.... If it had happened next year like originally rumoured to, I would have voted leave.
06-05-2016, 01:26 AM #3
Ali
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Geo View Post
I am 2 months off being able to vote.... If it had happened next year like originally rumoured to, I would have voted leave.


I cant vote, but from what i see on television, i only see parties portray the medical side of leaving the eu and how its beneficial. Nothing on how lives will be improved and accommodation etc. Do the parties and all the higher status people have a plan as to what will go down after we leave the EU? im not on a side as i havent viewed both sides thoroughly yet. So the information you've given is also new for me. I'd like to see what other people think.
06-05-2016, 01:33 AM #4
BurtE
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I've been dragged into this, my mum signed me up earlier today

obviously voting to leave the eu
06-05-2016, 04:07 AM #5
Originally posted by Madison
So the EU referendum is fast approaching and the debate is really starting to heat up now and will no doubt continue to do so over the next 3 weeks. How are those of you here that are eligible to vote feeling, are you voting to remain, leave or still undecided?

I'll be voting leave, from what I've seen the EU does not benefit the small guy at all, the only people waving the remain flag are multi-national business leaders and other people with clear vested interests in Europe All the other countries and their leaders say remain but that's again only because Britain being in the EU is in their countries interest not our own interest, the more and more I watch debates and read articles, the position to vote leave becomes even more obvious and all the remain side does is use scaremongering to try to influence people, this week we've have Michael Gove and David Cameron both on televised debates and Cameron was absolutely destroyed, could not give a single decent argument to remain and Michael Gove came across strongly with convincing arguments to leave. Just finished watching the Express debate and again leave were far stronger refuting all the points remain brought up and again the remain side came across as either downplaying how strong the UK is or only being favourable for people that run a fucking business evidenced by the fact they had a young entrepreneur on the remain panel whose only interest was so they can trade easily with Europe and get cheap Eastern European workers which thereby drives down the wages of the low skilled British workers. I'd be interested to know if there's actually anyone here that is in favour of remaining, so far I've not met many people at my university with that position and a family member this week who was a devout remain supported changed side to leave this which honestly I thought I wouldn't see so it appears the tides are turning. Also leave is pushing ahead in the phone and online polls now too.

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Just to elaborate further on your comments, the bigger business are reaping in the profits and making a mockery out of the UK. companies such as google, apple, zurich etc

They make most of sales in the UK but when it comes to paying cooperation tax, they pay next to nothing/ zero tax due to them being registered else where in EU. Ie countries where there is a smaller bandwidth for tax or zero tax.

This is all because of EU rules whereby businesses are able to trade in other countries.

To help contine the smooth movement, the bigger companies then make these so called generous donations to the governement. All corruption (behind the scenes)

And in return the HMRC whom dont have testicular fortitude to go after these bigger companies come after the smaller business and the working class people threatening with action.

This is probably why all the top fse companies are with dodgy dave in the campaign to remain.

I for one will vote leave
06-05-2016, 07:27 AM #6
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06-06-2016, 10:49 AM #7
ResistTheSun
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Originally posted by Madison
So the EU referendum is fast approaching and the debate is really starting to heat up now and will no doubt continue to do so over the next 3 weeks. How are those of you here that are eligible to vote feeling, are you voting to remain, leave or still undecided?

I'll be voting leave, from what I've seen the EU does not benefit the small guy at all, the only people waving the remain flag are multi-national business leaders and other people with clear vested interests in Europe All the other countries and their leaders say remain but that's again only because Britain being in the EU is in their countries interest not our own interest, the more and more I watch debates and read articles, the position to vote leave becomes even more obvious and all the remain side does is use scaremongering to try to influence people, this week we've have Michael Gove and David Cameron both on televised debates and Cameron was absolutely destroyed, could not give a single decent argument to remain and Michael Gove came across strongly with convincing arguments to leave. Just finished watching the Express debate and again leave were far stronger refuting all the points remain brought up and again the remain side came across as either downplaying how strong the UK is or only being favourable for people that run a fucking business evidenced by the fact they had a young entrepreneur on the remain panel whose only interest was so they can trade easily with Europe and get cheap Eastern European workers which thereby drives down the wages of the low skilled British workers. I'd be interested to know if there's actually anyone here that is in favour of remaining, so far I've not met many people at my university with that position and a family member this week who was a devout remain supported changed side to leave this which honestly I thought I wouldn't see so it appears the tides are turning. Also leave is pushing ahead in the phone and online polls now too.

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Remain

Originally posted by another user
'll be voting leave, from what I've seen the EU does not benefit the small guy at all, the only people waving the remain flag are multi-national business leaders and other people with clear vested interests in Europe


Yet people who want us to leave don't have own interests in why we should leave?

EU benefits the small guy giving us economic benefits greater growth and wealth. This due to shared say on regulation and greater influence in the world. Lobbying does happen just like westminster but gain clear benefits.

Originally posted by another user
All the other countries and their leaders say remain but that's again only because Britain being in the EU is in their countries interest not our own interest


Only Russia wants us to leave the EU. Britain shares great deal of interests with other nations which why they want us to stay.

Originally posted by another user
, the position to vote leave becomes even more obvious and all the remain side does is use scaremongering to try to influence people,


Experts are explaining that leave and remain are more complex than you think.

Originally posted by another user
so they can trade easily with Europe and get cheap Eastern European workers which thereby drives down the wages of the low skilled British workers.


Domestic fiscal policy done more damage to wages compared to free movement.

And no evidence that it has driven down wages.

Would be careful with some of the promises of unicorns and candy from leave. Yet to hear an convincing argument to leave which does not offer false promises. Intent some of these politicians is worrying don't forget that Gove and Boris have gone to oxford.

Originally posted by Geo View Post
I am 2 months off being able to vote.... If it had happened next year like originally rumoured to, I would have voted leave.



Originally posted by BurtE View Post
I've been dragged into this, my mum signed me up earlier today

obviously voting to leave the eu



Originally posted by boutthatlife View Post
Just to elaborate further on your comments, the bigger business are reaping in the profits and making a mockery out of the UK. companies such as google, apple, zurich etc

They make most of sales in the UK but when it comes to paying cooperation tax, they pay next to nothing/ zero tax due to them being registered else where in EU. Ie countries where there is a smaller bandwidth for tax or zero tax.

This is all because of EU rules whereby businesses are able to trade in other countries.

To help contine the smooth movement, the bigger companies then make these so called generous donations to the governement. All corruption (behind the scenes)

And in return the HMRC whom dont have testicular fortitude to go after these bigger companies come after the smaller business and the working class people threatening with action.

This is probably why all the top fse companies are with dodgy dave in the campaign to remain.

I for one will vote leave


If people don't want to hold the Government to account on domestic issues go ahead just don't cry about it. Most of these posts prove how politicians can screw people over and get away with it. Don't ask the right questions and question just listen to white noise instead of facts.
06-06-2016, 08:08 PM #8
Rath
Today Will Be Different
Originally posted by Madison
So the EU referendum is fast approaching and the debate is really starting to heat up now and will no doubt continue to do so over the next 3 weeks. How are those of you here that are eligible to vote feeling, are you voting to remain, leave or still undecided?

I'll be voting leave, from what I've seen the EU does not benefit the small guy at all, the only people waving the remain flag are multi-national business leaders and other people with clear vested interests in Europe All the other countries and their leaders say remain but that's again only because Britain being in the EU is in their countries interest not our own interest, the more and more I watch debates and read articles, the position to vote leave becomes even more obvious and all the remain side does is use scaremongering to try to influence people, this week we've have Michael Gove and David Cameron both on televised debates and Cameron was absolutely destroyed, could not give a single decent argument to remain and Michael Gove came across strongly with convincing arguments to leave. Just finished watching the Express debate and again leave were far stronger refuting all the points remain brought up and again the remain side came across as either downplaying how strong the UK is or only being favourable for people that run a fucking business evidenced by the fact they had a young entrepreneur on the remain panel whose only interest was so they can trade easily with Europe and get cheap Eastern European workers which thereby drives down the wages of the low skilled British workers. I'd be interested to know if there's actually anyone here that is in favour of remaining, so far I've not met many people at my university with that position and a family member this week who was a devout remain supported changed side to leave this which honestly I thought I wouldn't see so it appears the tides are turning. Also leave is pushing ahead in the phone and online polls now too.

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As an American I'd like to see Britain leave the EU. But, what strikes me odd is why would David Cameron want to remain with the EU? Isn't leaving the EU the more 'conservative' idea? I like the idea of Britain leaving solely on the fact you no longer contribute to the EU budget and allows you create your own trade agreements, which could benefit y'all in the long run. It just seems like this is the biggest opportunity for independence y'all have and I think y'all should definitely seize it.
06-07-2016, 09:32 PM #9
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by F View Post
As an American I'd like to see Britain leave the EU. But, what strikes me odd is why would David Cameron want to remain with the EU? Isn't leaving the EU the more 'conservative' idea? I like the idea of Britain leaving solely on the fact you no longer contribute to the EU budget and allows you create your own trade agreements, which could benefit y'all in the long run. It just seems like this is the biggest opportunity for independence y'all have and I think y'all should definitely seize it.


No

EU was helped shaped by the conservatives and very much conservative idea.
06-08-2016, 03:25 PM #10
Originally posted by ResistTheSun View Post
Remain



Yet people who want us to leave don't have own interests in why we should leave?

EU benefits the small guy giving us economic benefits greater growth and wealth. This due to shared say on regulation and greater influence in the world. Lobbying does happen just like westminster but gain clear benefits.

It doesn't, it's undercutting low skilled workers wages and putting a strain on the countries infrastructure it is not helping the most vulnerable in society at all. As for Lobbying, the UK has almost no say in the EU, and after Cameron's last attempt to get a deal with the EU, he gave up the UK's veto on other issues which mean we now have even less say, we can't stop Turkey joining the EU which will inevitably end up with even more undesirable low skilled workers coming to the UK. Despite Cameron's pledge to get immigration down to the 10,000's, he cannot do that whilst inside of the EU and everyone knows he can't do it. Also remember the giant success for the UK government when they got the tampon tax scrapped, it was hailed as a massive achievement showing that we can get things done in the EU? Well the EU have since rejected that now, so again another time when our government wants something, the people of our nation want something but the members of the EU just say no and deny a whole country and it's people the right to do something they feel is right. I can't seriously believe there are people that think a slight recession is a greater worry than losing our democracy and being unable to pass legislation in our own country without getting the okay from Brussels.

Seriously, I shouldn't even have to ask this as it's obvious, but what do you think is more important, wealth or democracy?



Only Russia wants us to leave the EU. Britain shares great deal of interests with other nations which why they want us to stay.

The reason no countries want us to leave the EU is because it's in their benefit that we stay in, not our own benefit.

Experts are explaining that leave and remain are more complex than you think.

Hopefully not the same experts that wanted us to join the Eurozone in 98.



Domestic fiscal policy done more damage to wages compared to free movement.

And no evidence that it has driven down wages.

Yes there is evidence though, the Bank of England have a paper on it and concluded that in the semi/unskilled sector wages have be slightly driven down. Remain have also admitted that if we leave, wages will in fact rise too

Would be careful with some of the promises of unicorns and candy from leave. Yet to hear an convincing argument to leave which does not offer false promises. Intent some of these politicians is worrying don't forget that Gove and Boris have gone to oxford.

No-one is promising such fanciful things, except remain with World War III and other such scare stories. Leaves has a coherent set of goals and benefits from leaving, remain has the single market and that's it. Also what schools they have gone to is completely irrelevant, considering Cameron also went to Oxford and some of the rubbish he's been spouting is incredible.








If people don't want to hold the Government to account on domestic issues go ahead just don't cry about it. Most of these posts prove how politicians can screw people over and get away with it. Don't ask the right questions and question just listen to white noise instead of facts.

The government shares a portion of the blame for cutbacks and not building enough housing, but the fact is, that the unprecedented levels of immigration that we are seeing are putting a strain on our public services and we simply cannot keep up unless we can control the flow which we cannot do unless we vote to leave.




Couldn't be bother to pick stuff out and quote so I just highlighted what I wrote in the quote.

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