Post: June 23rd EU Referendum - Are you in or out?
06-04-2016, 09:57 PM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So the EU referendum is fast approaching and the debate is really starting to heat up now and will no doubt continue to do so over the next 3 weeks. How are those of you here that are eligible to vote feeling, are you voting to remain, leave or still undecided?

I'll be voting leave, from what I've seen the EU does not benefit the small guy at all, the only people waving the remain flag are multi-national business leaders and other people with clear vested interests in Europe All the other countries and their leaders say remain but that's again only because Britain being in the EU is in their countries interest not our own interest, the more and more I watch debates and read articles, the position to vote leave becomes even more obvious and all the remain side does is use scaremongering to try to influence people, this week we've have Michael Gove and David Cameron both on televised debates and Cameron was absolutely destroyed, could not give a single decent argument to remain and Michael Gove came across strongly with convincing arguments to leave. Just finished watching the Express debate and again leave were far stronger refuting all the points remain brought up and again the remain side came across as either downplaying how strong the UK is or only being favourable for people that run a fucking business evidenced by the fact they had a young entrepreneur on the remain panel whose only interest was so they can trade easily with Europe and get cheap Eastern European workers which thereby drives down the wages of the low skilled British workers. I'd be interested to know if there's actually anyone here that is in favour of remaining, so far I've not met many people at my university with that position and a family member this week who was a devout remain supported changed side to leave this which honestly I thought I wouldn't see so it appears the tides are turning. Also leave is pushing ahead in the phone and online polls now too.

Obligatory Karen:

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06-11-2016, 05:07 PM #11
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Just hearing arguments against the Government domestic policies for last 40 years. With politicians unwilling to admit consequences or explain that 'bugs are features'. Instead see politicians riding the populist wave unwilling to address the root causes. Group of people who feel things are bad enough they are willing to risk it all. Unwilling to even see that actions they take would cause more pain not help.

My best advice if you care enough about these issues get involved in politics. Start doing something to help address any problems you have not just complaint on voting days. Need to take this advice myself get in contact with my local labour party activists once again. Make Government accountability your main goal instead of blaming anybody for the problems.

Need to ask the overall use critical thinking when listening to politicians. Politicians lie because we allow them to lie and let them get away with it.

Sovereignty argument

Legal definition of You must login or register to view this content., from that definition United kingdom has full sovereignty. Argument is lost before it started unless you wanted a new legal definition. Confirming United Kingdom still holds the unlimited veto powers.

Definition leave campaigners are using is inaccurate, wrong and spreading lies. Further this point any trade agreements or membership of international organizations would reduce sovereignty. Emotional isolation argument pretending to be about sovereignty. Shifting the blame from domestic executive to European legal executive. Welcome to explain how membership of the European union is wrong but World Trade Organization is fine. Could do the same with any institution .

What is the real intent behind anybody claiming European laws was overruling the UK legal system?

How come the domestic executive has not taken actions against problems reported in newspapers?

Could it be that newspapers are reporting inaccurate information to increase sales? Failing in any duty to inform the public and educate them. Causing a recession is not worth it for powers we already have.

No veto over Turkey joining the EU.

You must login or register to view this content. points to that being incorrect and inaccurate.

Immigration argument

You must login or register to view this content. suggests that low skilled immigration, low skilled workers suffer an negative impact on wages. Much debate over the impact various studies have shown very minor impact for workers. You must login or register to view this content. fiscal policy has caused much greater decline in real wages -10% for almost all groups. Impact from immigration on semi/low skilled workers 0.4%. Based on the evidence United Kingdom does not have major amount of low immigration. Evidence shows that on average migrants have higher level of education compared to UK natives. Age wise migrants are younger pay in more taxes due to taking up median to high skilled jobs on average. Younger workers who come here pay taxes using little to no public services. Evidence does not back up the general assumption that immigration has been terrible. Reducing immigration would decrease the overall tax base increasing general tax rates. Negative impact on low end wages is reduced due having a bigger working population paying taxes.

David Cameron pledge to drive immigration down was deeply unrealistic. Listen to leave campaign your hear they want to increase immigration from outside of the EU. Nations which have points based system have seen major inflows of people. Vote leave want to increase immigration but decrease it?

Cost for driving down immigration is not worth it given the economic cost. Instead the blame policy is designed to avoid criticism for policy failures many have supported but caused great pain to the poor. Social bits of policy we can do help people cope with immigration.

Infrastructure argument

Domestic executive has decreased spending with general population aging and increasing in size. Aging population puts far more strain on infrastructure compared to migrants. Fallacy to blame this on migrants if anything poor planning from politicians.

Shared benefit

Evidence to support the European Union membership given us great number of benefits. Helped make the United kingdom economcy far more competitive reduced regulation across Europe. Trade barriers have declined freedom of movement has allowed travel to be expanded. Reason why nobody wants us to leave due to being own benefit and their benefit. Same reasoning could be applied once again to any global institution no campaign for us to leave?

Experts

Some of the Experts who wanted us to join the Euro are supporting leave. Vast majority are against Brexit, trying to silence experts who disagree with you is silly.

Promises

Both sides have made promises but some won't admit the truth. Immigration won't decline with Brexit or remain won't decline period. False promise if you believe that leaving would reduce it. Incredible rubbish has been provided from both sides.

Budget cuts

Blame lies with the Government for cutting public services, not immigration. This what happens when you have a fixed fiscal policy so much for the household budget. Cut backs have caused the strain in public services not slow population growth.
06-11-2016, 06:27 PM #12
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votin to leave Smile
06-13-2016, 03:26 PM #13
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Im voting to leave

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