Post: GT6 Game Physics Testing
04-30-2014, 09:03 PM #1
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04-29-2015, 06:33 AM #542
Originally posted by Johnnypenso View Post
Well said Mr. Hami, well said. As usual, GTP and F.I.T.T. come through with shining colours, allowing anyone to enter and compete in a tuning contest in the spirit of fun and fairness. I truly enjoyed the many contests I entered as a tuner and/or test driver. Best place to prove whether you can take the wacky/backwards/convoluted tuning options provided by PD and come up with something quick and driveable for as many people as possible. All replicas welcome of course, plenty of room at the back of the grid. Speaking of the back of the grid, are you going to use a proxy to enter a tune sinastor?


Quick is dependent on the driver, same tune, one driver can lap seconds quicker than the next driver. I can't even touch ridox lap time on some of his cars even with abs 1, and yet you easily mock replicas as loser at the back of the grid. FITT contest is a joke, testers are heavily biased on one side in preference already. I never see FITT contest on no abs, hami said easy to make, but I bet no one will be tester and a few will enter. Even if it works, testers would complain all day about driving the car with no abs. FITT are hopeless wreck of casual players, that's the name we used by dragster and drifters hahaha. The tunes made the car as easy to drive as toy car, they are all alike to each other. We drifters and dragster also drives other cars for racing and time trial, but we rarely use tuning forum, we made our own.

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04-29-2015, 11:44 AM #543
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Originally posted by OdeFinn View Post
Gearbox would be problematic to setup on 1.17, using gear scales from 4.000 final and then dropping to 3.620.
[...]
ABSless or not, F40 is perfect car to start practising ABSless driving.


If I ever get to it, I will update the game and try the F40 then to move to ABSless driving. I just fear that it will take me quite some time to fully get there, I think I have very bad braking habits..

Originally posted by bread82 View Post
I'm curious, is there a reason that no one has published more specDB car parameters?


I can't speak for others, but I think that it would just gain PD's attention and furthermore will have them "react" to it.
Their time is better spent with coding other stuff than dealing with leaks like that..

Originally posted by SiNiST3R View Post
Its very difficult to pull the SpecDB data [...] and each car has to be pulled individually making it very time consuming.


No and Yes and No Smile

Originally posted by OdeFinn View Post
Can you tell me what this whisper then was? Saying/accusation/questioning at some other competitor is working as sinister proxy, can you just point who if not me, who was target of your whispering:

I'm starting to be curious.


Don't expect an answer. Meanwhile I think, he is a "payed troll". Trying to make things up and when being asked real uncomfortable questions just disappears for a few days. Like, "maybe they have forgotten that they asked me anything".
That won't work here, SiNiST3R already pointed out that we can read between his two-faced lines..

I don't get what makes him get back here and continuing his weird tactics, except for "trolling".. And that's why I don't feed him anymore Smile

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04-29-2015, 01:40 PM #544
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@q-k, I know your point, but still feels bad when your own work is tried to put on other, stealing credits and using that to make my name look bad.
Even my current tunes for that particular event are made on left hand, under 1h/car (5-15min most), still not funny if someone even thinks at those aren't my tunes.
Gonna tune all those cars and participate with maybe most common used on event. First I was going on Peugeot, but due regulation changes pack flipped like tranny.. Now having bunch of old cars going 1:57, not yet sure which to use, maybe doing all finalized and after last days putting some up, so don't have to worry another regulation changes.

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04-29-2015, 03:34 PM #545
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Originally posted by OdeFinn View Post
@q-k, I know your point, but still feels bad when your own work is tried to put on other, stealing credits and using that to make my name look bad.
Even my current tunes for that particular event are made on left hand, under 1h/car (5-15min most), still not funny if someone even thinks at those aren't my tunes.
Gonna tune all those cars and participate with maybe most common used on event. First I was going on Peugeot, but due regulation changes pack flipped like tranny.. Now having bunch of old cars going 1:57, not yet sure which to use, maybe doing all finalized and after last days putting some up, so don't have to worry another regulation changes.


I agree. As I said before that's a low blow on somebody undeserving of petty two faced attacks like that. I would love to take credit for OdeFiNNs tunes as looking at his replay hes tuned the car very well, but I don't take credit for stuff I didn't do., I had no hand in tuning his cars. His driving is also his own, he displays excellent pedal control and I can see him using his diff with his throttle to maximize power on exit.. Great Replays, I see OdeFiNN doesn't have a capture card, I offer to capture any replays for you Bud, just send me the replay file and Ill use my capture card to record it raw HD 60FPS for you...

In the spirit of all the Chatter I decided to tune a car according to the FiTT Comp Rules. I dont have SpecDB data for any of the cars in the event except the Focus ST '13 but they have the MKI GTI so you know I had to go VeeDuB. No need for a Proxy JohnnyPetty 2 Face, if yall want a tune of mine to talk shit about so damn bad Ill give it too you lol



YOU can be my GTP Proxy Johnny


As far as the older cars go, looks set up to be a Focus ST vs MiNi Race. Looking over the specs the MKI GTI has been dogged down to 385pp after MCH decided to change the tires and PP of the Older cars, the only car under 400pp lmfao, okay sure, enjoy that..
04-30-2015, 08:30 AM #546
What to know a really fast replica, try the NSX posted by ridox a few days ago. I can't believe that car lap in 1:03s at Tsukuba in ridox hand on cs tire. it has 1300kg, 290hp and about 460pp. His nismo 370z is my new drift car, the car is damn beautiful. I will try to beat the lap, ridox gives replays which shows he is not BS driver. I tried the fitt tuners nsx and 370z, they lost the soul and drives like generic cars, they are all nothing compared to the ridox replica.
05-02-2015, 04:32 AM #547
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05-02-2015, 04:50 AM #548
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Some noABS fun Smile

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05-02-2015, 09:30 AM #549
Originally posted by Johnnypenso View Post
Ridox should have no trouble then wiping the floor in any tuning competition...oh wait...


You gotta hate the guy ... I read your Pcars worship posts, then you hate one guy who tune and drive with realistic experience in mind, must be one hell of contradiction. You actually praise fitt tuners who made cars more like arcade racers in handling, exploit the physics with what hami called glitch tuning then you praise Pcars, thats what i call two faced like hami did.

So what about winning tuning competition ? whats the point ? that you are master tuner in glitching the cars so they drive easy, fast like arcade racers ? I see ridox has online race tunes as well, have you ever drive them ? you talk like knowing all, when is the last time you drive in gt6 ? have you driven ridox nsxr, 370z or the amazing audi ttrs ( my ride ) ? he just posted some of his lap time with cerbera speed 12, 1:01s at tsukuba on cs tire, try do that with no abs. I sweat my hands waiting for the speed 12, I have one for drift trial monster, but never could tame if for grip driving, and he said he made one with cs tire, how crazy is the guy hahaha

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05-02-2015, 02:05 PM #550
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Thankfully only morons think FiTT is some kind of testing ground for Tuners. Its just a group of friends who like to TT against each other in similar tuned cars.. There is no attempt to even push skill to the next level they promote assist, in fact the comps are mostly dummed down with assist or clever ways to make things easier for testers as their biggest issues is getting testers, if they didnt tune and test, simply would not be enough testers to give a result, and most often just ends up being a mix of the usual testers, the odd oddball but mostly FiTT drivers. Never turn assist off they are cool as long as the driver drives all cars with the same assist LMFAO, then have the audacity to act like they are the guys to go to for tuning/physics questions when they are a simply a clueless bunch. No attempts to tune anything like real world tuning. Then jumping on PCars like its not a video game too lol...

Just look at the LSD debate at GTP lmfao and every other tuning thread goes the same route on GTP... FiTT guys argue a bunch of shit they dont understand not realizing the way they speak and the shit they say exposes them as frauds. Then when stuck they bail the convo and hopes it just falls off the front page... When its been enough time simply act like that convo never happened...

I was explaining gearing multiplying tq to the wheels when one of these genius tuner pointed out everything I was saying is right except the gears are not multiplying the torque, the gears magnify the torque.... This tells me they just got off a web page they went to to look up what I was saying and what they found used the word magnified instead of multiplied. Either or doesn't matter because they mean the same thing here... To say that no they don't multiply torque its magnifying torque means they dont understand the words they are speaking, if they did they would realize its the same thing, but its is clear they argue by copying stuff off web pages that they really dont even understand what they are copying, but saying it in arguments as if its there own opinion or stuff they know, NO its just what they found when they Google searched based on my post most often only half understood. Another example is me being told caster is not in GT6 at all. They later morphed that opinion into since we cant tune caster its not important... This is profoundly stupid, like this simply small statement basically is a red light flashing saying dont listen to anything that moron has to say because they have no clue how a suspension works but are very opinionated on how it works lolololol Those FiTT tuners with Opinions on subjects they don't fully understand should STFU and do a little more ears open mouth shut, but GTP its all about being the GTP Guru, the go to guy for help with tuning cars etc, lololololol thats who FiTT want to be, you see them pop up to answer any tuning questions as if they are the all knowing Guru's and make sure to post their opinions on every tuning subject, its just apparent most of their opinions and tuning is just misinterpreted results of a google search....

The reality is they are the LAST guys to go to with any physics or tuning questions, its better you go do the research on your own with google search, its better then having to read through their misinterpretations of what they found on their google search... At least you probably find the SOURCE, no playing the broken telephone game..

Little things most wont notice expose GTP Gurus as google tuning morons without a clue.. Struggling to keep a FWD car from smoking tires on CS is just another prime example of all Blah Blah but nothing backing it up.. It takes tuning and driving skill, the result is hot laps, little smoke and you better believe that in a race with tire wear no matter how fast some of those cars may turn out to be in TT, they will fall on their face when the cars raping that track no smoke will out last them and eat them up like pathetic JOKES not worth the time of day... As Nikki Lauda said, Anybody can set up the car to be fast at the beginning of the race, but they don't drive so quick as the race progresses.


Im not sure why you feel the need to belittle Ridox because we give his work praise, you fucking GTP Phonies must have fucking pathetically low self esteems... Its always that everybody needs to play by the FiTT cheeser rules but the FiTT phonies never venture outside their safety net... Heck they freaked at the suggestion of a comp where they couldn't tune the LSD with cheese on a 400pp Miata lolol Heaven forbid we actually use the SCCA Spec Miata Rules like MCH races IRL thats just too much for FiTT, they cant even sim spec miata races lolololol its funny...


Looking at the Old vs New comp I see members taking notice how the comp is set up in a weird way. Varying the tire and pp on the Old cars to offset any advantage of the New cars its Old vs New but tied to each other more like Old & New vs Old & New. One would think it makes more sense to not tie the old to the new, race some Old and some New separately then compare. This way The fastest in each is still the winner, not the best averaging pair, that's fucking bullshit... The problem is with varying pp and tires the Old cars are NOT on a level playing field they are dependent on what 1 guy thinks would manipulate their performance how he wants it manipulated... The reasoning is based on that same guys impression on what New cars are overrated and he decided to use the Old cars as an offset to manipulate the competition since the old car is tied to the new car... If a car is too overate for spec racing with pp/hp/wt then it should simply be excluded, pp and tires should never be varying from car to car, that is fucking STUPID, but seems more like a manipulation where the manipulator can simply say "oh I was trying to make it more fair" when that's really not the truth..

It would be interesting to see If the list is the same, if the fastest old car is still the fastest new car..

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