Post: [NEWS] Geohot asks for donations, sets up new blog.
02-20-2011, 12:11 AM #1
manster
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Geohot Update [21.02.2011]
Originally posted by another user
First round of donations is closed
Thank you so so much for all of your help, things are looking up money wise. Expect to see a few more lawyers on my responses!
I have enough to cover my legal fees for the time being, and in the absolute worst case scenario, we don't want Sony getting it :-P

For now,
the best thing you can do is spread the word
Let people know how Sony treats customers
Let people know Sony would rather sue than be proactive and try to fix the problem
Let people know about laws like the You must login or register to view this content. which stifle innovation, and don't do anything to fix the problems they were created to solve


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Originally posted by another user
On the subject of a Legal Defense Fund
Read You must login or register to view this content., You must login or register to view this content., the You must login or register to view this content., and You must login or register to view this content. for updates on the case

Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.
I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business.
Together, we can help fix the system
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You must login or register to view this content. Donations here are for legal defense ONLY
I checked with my lawyers before setting this up
If you have another substantial way to donate aside from money, let me know

tl;dr
Sony is lame, and is suing me for hacking MY OWN PS3. Help me own them in court

Sony are bullies
Sony doesn't care if what you did was legal, if they don't like it, they sue. Sony tried to You must login or register to view this content. for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don't really care about piracy, they care about control. In (You must login or register to view this content.), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down. Fortunately, that suit helped set precedent on the legality of emulators. I would hate to lose this case due to resource starvation, and with the support of the masses, I won't. Lets turn the bully back on itself. This case has the ability to set a huge precedent for consoles and all closed systems to come. The other two should be begging Sony to back off.

Sony sued the wrong guy
I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone's copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it's paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.
My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of You must login or register to view this content. You must login or register to view this content. You must login or register to view this content. (or, You must login or register to view this content. You must login or register to view this content.), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play "super mario world, an unauthorized game" on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow's goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony You must login or register to view this content. stole, Linux on your PS3. It's shameful on Sony's part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don't sue people who point out your shortcomings.

Why should I care about your personal legal troubles?
You shouldn't. For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations. But this case isn't about me. Clearly I am not being sued because of something I have that Sony wants, I am being sued in order to send a message that Sony is not to be messed with. But if I(and all codefendants likewise) actually win this, we have the power to send a much stronger message back. That consumers have rights, and we aren't afraid to stand up for them.

Why should I trust you? I just saw you trying to rap battle Sony
My attempts at humor aside, I do take this whole matter very seriously. Again, it's not about me, I was on the verge of quitting this stuff last June, and I would hate to be the one who sets a reputation for hackers that all a company has to do is sue us and we back down. In fact, I want the opposite reputation set, that the more a company tries to abuse the legal system, the harder we rally back. I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project.

Why did you wait until now to set this up?
I didn't want to be trigger happy, and thought the suit might go away quickly. Also, I had to consult with my lawyers about how to do this. It's been over a month, and it looks like this is going to be a drawn out case. I am in this for the long haul. I am very serious ethically when I take donations, for all iPhone work I only accepted after the fact, here after the fact is too late. Now I am pot committed so to say.

How much should I donate?
Put it this way, Sony has 5 lawyers, I have 2. I'd like to level the playing field, and really get some hard hitters in there. I have already racked up over 10k in legal bills; donate whatever you feel like. Leftover donations at the end of all this will be donated to the You must login or register to view this content..

What if I want to donate more than I feel comfortable sending through PayPal?
I'm excited! Email me, we'll figure it out.

Why doesn't the EFF fund this?
Ask them. They have offered to provide some legal help though, which is much appreciated.

Donate to help you, you're the reason I can't play Modern Warfare now…
No, I'm not. Kakaroto explains this really well You must login or register to view this content.. I have never played PS3 online ever. Frankly I'm amazed by the apparent ease with which these cheats were created, security 101, why is the security in the client anyway? I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN.

I'm a poor college student, what can I do to help?
I feel you, don't worry. Spread the word. Let people know how you feel about what Sony is doing. Let Sony know how you feel about what Sony is doing.

What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It'd be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I'm also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.

Why isn't SCEA trying to settle?
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE...THEY POINTED OUT OUR SECURITY FLAWS...IM SO MADDDDDDDD...WAHHHHHH

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Originally posted by another user

On the subject of a Legal Defense Fund
Read You must login or register to view this content., You must login or register to view this content., the You must login or register to view this content., and You must login or register to view this content. for updates on the case

Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.
I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business.
Together, we can help fix the system

You must login or register to view this content.

Donations here are for legal defense ONLY
I checked with my lawyers before setting this up
If you have another substantial way to donate aside from money, let me know

tl;dr
Sony is lame, and is suing me for hacking MY OWN PS3. Help me own them in court

Sony are bullies
Sony doesn't care if what you did was legal, if they don't like it, they sue. Sony tried to You must login or register to view this content. for getting his AIBO to do non Sony approved tricks, making it apparent that they don't really care about piracy, they care about control. In (You must login or register to view this content.), Bleem was the winner on all counts, but the high cost of a legal defense shut them down. Fortunately, that suit helped set precedent on the legality of emulators. I would hate to lose this case due to resource starvation, and with the support of the masses, I won't. Lets turn the bully back on itself. This case has the ability to set a huge precedent for consoles and all closed systems to come. The other two should be begging Sony to back off.

Sony sued the wrong guy
I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone's copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it's paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.
My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of You must login or register to view this content. You must login or register to view this content. You must login or register to view this content. (or, You must login or register to view this content. You must login or register to view this content.), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play "super mario world, an unauthorized game" on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?
fail0verflow's goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony You must login or register to view this content. stole, Linux on your PS3. It's shameful on Sony's part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don't sue people who point out your shortcomings.

Why should I care about your personal legal troubles?
You shouldn't. For example, if I was taken to court for sex crimes in Sweden, I would never ask for donations. But this case isn't about me. Clearly I am not being sued because of something I have that Sony wants, I am being sued in order to send a message that Sony is not to be messed with. But if I(and all codefendants likewise) actually win this, we have the power to send a much stronger message back. That consumers have rights, and we aren't afraid to stand up for them.

Why should I trust you? I just saw you trying to rap battle Sony
My attempts at humor aside, I do take this whole matter very seriously. Again, it's not about me, I was on the verge of quitting this stuff last June, and I would hate to be the one who sets a reputation for hackers that all a company has to do is sue us and we back down. In fact, I want the opposite reputation set, that the more a company tries to abuse the legal system, the harder we rally back. I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project.

Why did you wait until now to set this up?
I didn't want to be trigger happy, and thought the suit might go away quickly. Also, I had to consult with my lawyers about how to do this. It's been over a month, and it looks like this is going to be a drawn out case. I am in this for the long haul. I am very serious ethically when I take donations, for all iPhone work I only accepted after the fact, here after the fact is too late. Now I am pot committed so to say.

How much should I donate?
Put it this way, Sony has 5 lawyers, I have 2. I'd like to level the playing field, and really get some hard hitters in there. I have already racked up over 10k in legal bills; donate whatever you feel like. Leftover donations at the end of all this will be donated to the You must login or register to view this content..

What if I want to donate more than I feel comfortable sending through PayPal?
I'm excited! Email me, we'll figure it out.

Why doesn't the EFF fund this?
Ask them. They have offered to provide some legal help though, which is much appreciated.

Donate to help you, you're the reason I can't play Modern Warfare now…
No, I'm not. Kakaroto explains this really well You must login or register to view this content.. I have never played PS3 online ever. Frankly I'm amazed by the apparent ease with which these cheats were created, security 101, why is the security in the client anyway? I had no idea this would happen, and am in full support of the cheaters being permabanned from PSN.

I'm a poor college student, what can I do to help?
I feel you, don't worry. Spread the word. Let people know how you feel about what Sony is doing. Let Sony know how you feel about what Sony is doing.

What if SCEA tries to settle?
Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It'd be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I'm also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.

Why isn't SCEA trying to settle?
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE…THEY POINTED OUT OUR SECURITY FLAWS…IM SO MADDDDDDDD…WAHHHHHH

Check out You must login or register to view this content.
Old index page for archival purposes here

Contact Me
geohot ... gmail


Geohot we will help you!


i just donated 10 $ to him
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02-20-2011, 09:28 PM #101
HtD
Dark Knight
Originally posted by david9602 View Post
all i gotta say is f*ck geohot now "i support there right to permaban every hacker" F*CK YOU!!


Yeah well F you 2.
02-20-2011, 09:30 PM #102
FuzzaMuzza
NGU Master
=/ What happens if he wins.. sony will still do security updates ALL the time to prevent hacking
02-20-2011, 09:33 PM #103
TwitterFTW
Save Point
Originally posted by AAA
ohh really


wut are you talkin aobut
02-20-2011, 10:34 PM #104
T-Icey
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by GeoHotz2012 View Post
G

GeoHot made CFW for one sole purpose, to be able to run homebrew on the PS3 again, a feature that was advertised when I and alot of others purchased our PS3s. But Sony took an advertised feature away. The people who are the ones you should be pointing at are the 10 year olds who used CFW to cheat in Call of Duty and pirate games illegally.


So the key he posted is "legal"? the key to sign any game or any homebrew? When are you guys gonna understand that the purpose "Jailbreak" is for hacking? just because you benefit from what he did, you don't have to blindly say "he has done nothing wrong" when you know he did. Or tell me what do you call what he did? a glitch? and let me remind you that the first thing when you buy a device to use it online you have to agree to terms and condition, so again have the right to do what they are doing.

I'm not supporting Sony, neither Geohot, just to show how blind people get when they are against the opposite thing.

---------- Post added at 05:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:29 PM ----------

Originally posted by joostb View Post
And your bank example is really irrelevant, that's nothing to do with hacking.


Then tell me what do people mean when they say "I own my PS3 so I have the right to do whatever I want with it"? Unless you didnt go to school, you would say that.

So again, is it irrelevant? I mean I don't see a difference in terms of "conditions" between "I own a PS3" and "I own a bank", I guess you meant they are different in terms of "situations" Winky Winky but the conditions are equal
02-20-2011, 10:39 PM #105
2RAW4THESTREET
The Best who ever lived
Originally posted by Icey View Post
So the key he posted is "legal"? the key to sign any game or any homebrew? When are you guys gonna understand that the purpose "Jailbreak" is for hacking? just because you benefit from what he did, you don't have to blindly say "he has done nothing wrong" when you know he did. Or tell me what do you call what he did? a glitch? and let me remind you that the first thing when you buy a device to use it online you have to agree to terms and condition, so again have the right to do what they are doing.

I'm not supporting Sony, neither Geohot, just to show how blind people get when they are against the opposite thing.


Well 1st, geohot has never registered a psn account therefore he has never agreed to Sony's TOS. 2nd, who are you to say what GeoHot's purpose of creating CFW was? He has said numerous times that he does not condone piracy or cheating. He only created it for HOMEBREW, a once advertised feature when I and alot other bought their PS3 that Sony illegally took away. 3rd, the key he released was not illegal b/c no where in the TOS did Sony ever say "You may NOT re-distribute any OFW keys." They never said this b/c, like I said before, they deemed the Playstation 3, "unhackable". Well now that they see that they were proven wrong, they will most likely say it is illegal to re-distribute any OFW keys.
02-20-2011, 10:39 PM #106
-Skyline
Anonymous
Originally posted by Icey View Post
*snip*

Well what about my iPhone 4?

I jailbroke it and use iTunes and the App Store all I like and even cracked Apps from Installous, but I don't see a letter or an email from Apple telling me to stop, neither did they sue Geohot for his hacking contrubtions.

Sony are just tighter than a ducks ****ing asshole and they want to control EVERYTHING, it's getting way out of hand.
02-20-2011, 10:44 PM #107
T-Icey
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by EnragedNUKE View Post

@T-Icey
*major sigh of depression*
With your bank example, the owner COULD DO THAT yes, but thing is, banks have some like contractt...



Absolutely sirSmile

That's why like every single console, Sony has the thing that is called "Terms and Conditions" it is like that contract, if you agree and break Sony has the right to do what they are doing. Unless Sony put "you are free mod your console and break the online system, play pirated games, show our key to the public so that everyone have more freedom to hack and sign pirated games, which again it is pirating"

---------- Post added at 05:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:40 PM ----------

Originally posted by GeoHotz2012 View Post
Well 1st, geohot has never registered a psn account therefore he has never agreed to Sony's TOS.


...and I stopped there. Have you ever bought a new PS3? the terms and condition are there before you set up your PS3. As well as in the manual, and other things that they put 'visit blah blah blah for our terms'
02-20-2011, 11:11 PM #108
2RAW4THESTREET
The Best who ever lived
Originally posted by Icey View Post
Absolutely sirSmile

That's why like every single console, Sony has the thing that is called "Terms and Conditions" it is like that contract, if you agree and break Sony has the right to do what they are doing. Unless Sony put "you are free mod your console and break the online system, play pirated games, show our key to the public so that everyone have more freedom to hack and sign pirated games, which again it is pirating"

---------- Post added at 05:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:40 PM ----------



...and I stopped there. Have you ever bought a new PS3? the terms and condition are there before you set up your PS3. As well as in the manual, and other things that they put 'visit blah blah blah for our terms'


But it doe not apply if you do not agree with it. If you like Sony dictating what legal things you can and can't do with a system YOU payed for with YOUR hard earned money, then that is you. Me personally, i do not like it as I am sure alot of others feel the same way.
02-20-2011, 11:17 PM #109
EnragedNUKE
Son. You wish.
Originally posted by Icey View Post
Absolutely sirSmile

That's why like every single console, Sony has the thing that is called "Terms and Conditions" it is like that contract, if you agree and break Sony has the right to do what they are doing. Unless Sony put "you are free mod your console and break the online system, play pirated games, show our key to the public so that everyone have more freedom to hack and sign pirated games, which again it is pirating"

---------- Post added at 05:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:40 PM ----------



...and I stopped there. Have you ever bought a new PS3? the terms and condition are there before you set up your PS3. As well as in the manual, and other things that they put 'visit blah blah blah for our terms'


If you read my whole post, sir, You'd see I mentioned the Terms of Service in my reply to you.

However, the Terms of Service aren't displayed the second you turn on your PS3 (however, I'm not completely sure on this, correct me if i'm wrong.)

iPods also have a Terms of Service, but in the end iPods became jailbreakable.

After reviewing the Terms of Service for the PS3, Off the bat I noticed tons of people broke one part of it, mainly because people just do it without consent lol.

1. ABILITY TO ACCEPT TERMS OF SERVICE
These Terms of Service form a legally binding contract between you and us. By using our Sites, you affirm that you are at least 18 years of age, an emancipated minor or possess legal parental or guardian consent, and are fully able and competent to enter into the terms, conditions, obligations, representations and responsibilities set forth in these Terms of Service, and to abide and comply with these Terms of Service.


Also, I scanned through it really fast and I didn't see anything about not letting the PS3 use unauthorized code.

In the end, all you have to do is hope that the court realizes that this isn't truly illegal.

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