Post: Geohot's Legal Team Fires back At Sony
03-29-2011, 02:39 PM #1
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The hacker being sued for altering the firmware on the PlayStation 3 has fired back at Sony Computer Entertainment America's attempt to get the case heard in California.

SCEA's original lawsuit says George Hotz, aka geohot, violated copyright and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act by publishing a "jailbreak" for the PlayStation 3 that allows the console to run other operating systems. Sony's complaint also says Hotz acted to circumvent the copy protections built into the device and "trafficked in circumvention devices and components thereof." The trafficking refers to Hotz publishing the code on his blog.

Hotz and his legal team say it should be in New Jersey, where Hotz lives. If Sony can show that Hotz's actions were aimed at SCEA, the arm of the company that sells the PS3, then the judge could grant its motion to have the case tried there. But the company has to tie Hotz to California, either by showing concrete harm aimed there or by tying him to such activity in the state. (SCEA is located in Foster City).

Hotz's lawyer, Stewart Kellar, has argued against hearing the case in California because it would be a hardship for Hotz to travel there and it would set a precedent for companies being able to sue anyone, anywhere, on relatively flimsy grounds.

In the latest filings, Kellar says SCEA isn't even a subsidiary of Sony Japan, which is the actual producer of the PlayStation 3 and the entity that should be suing. Also, Hotz wouldn't have known that SCEA even existed, unless he read the manuals carefully and even then, the PlayStation's system, software and packaging all point to Sony Japan as the producer, according to Hotz's lawyers. Therefore his actions weren't directed at SCEA.

Hotz, in a declaration to the court, says he also didn't use the PlayStation Network to obtain the firmware he modified, so he isn't bound by the PSN's terms of service. In arguing for moving the suit to California, Sony cites the terms of service that say anyone who uses the PlayStation Network agrees to have disputes with Sony brought to court in San Mateo County.

Sony also says a large number of people downloaded Hotz's jailbreaking software live in California. Therefore, the company argues, the case should be heard in California because the harm Sony suffered (the jailbreaking) occurred there. Hotz's lawyers say the web site was a "passive" one, and Hotz wasn't selling the software. He also didn't solicit traffic. While thousands in California downloaded the jailbreaking software, just as many from other jurisdictions did as well.

The legal briefs also spar over who was complying with the discovery process, or not. Sony says that Hotz has thwarted discovery, removing vital components from the hard drives of the PS3 systems he delivered. When the company asked for the components, "Hotz's counsel responded that Hotz was in South America." Hotz's lawyers fired back, saying that Sony itself has abused the process by issuing frivolous subpoenas and filing under seal documents that are available publicly on the web.

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03-29-2011, 05:12 PM #11
al9522
I defeated!
Originally posted by Kroxldyphivc View Post
How the **** cares? Nobody plays PS3 anymore. Everyone plays Xbox360, because Microsoft doesn't sue everyone's damn ass off.

Note: I was a Sony fanboy.


yea the 360 is better but still its nice to get on the ps3 once in a while without all the games being infested with hackers people think its going to be great if Geo wins but its really not the ps3 will completely stop selling and people who acutally want to fun playing games are going to the 360 I bet you Microsoft cant wait to see how the trial ends thats for sure
Originally posted by another user
You are an idiot.Geohot doesnt play CoD,and he didnt make the JB for piracy.Also this is a hacking website,if you dont like it feel free to GTFO


Actually this site isnt just for hackers the last time I checked and everyone has the right to voice their opinion so u GTFO sir

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03-29-2011, 05:14 PM #12
Originally posted by al9522 View Post
i hope that that GeoFag loses he has no right to go and hack something like a ps3 and think its ok I mean it ruined games for people who tried to play legit and also pirating games which isnt right I know I am going to get a lot of hate 4this but IDC this is my opinon and I hope sony wins


Whats This Guy Smoking :420:/facepalm

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03-29-2011, 05:25 PM #13
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Originally posted by al9522 View Post
yea the 360 is better but still its nice to get on the ps3 once in a while without all the games being infested with hackers people think its going to be great if Geo wins but its really not the ps3 will completely stop selling and people who acutally want to fun playing games are going to the 360 I bet you Microsoft cant wait to see how the trial ends thats for sure


Actually this site isnt just for hackers the last time I checked and everyone has the right to voice their opinion so u GTFO sir

Not really,if geohot wins and the cfw becomes legal,sony should state that it can only be used for homebrew apps,not for hacking games.:rolleyes:
03-29-2011, 05:26 PM #14
Yeezus Christ
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Originally posted by al9522 View Post
yea the 360 is better but still its nice to get on the ps3 once in a while without all the games being infested with hackers people think its going to be great if Geo wins but its really not the ps3 will completely stop selling and people who acutally want to fun playing games are going to the 360 I bet you Microsoft cant wait to see how the trial ends thats for sure


Actually this site isnt just for hackers the last time I checked and everyone has the right to voice their opinion so u GTFO sir


Your Opinion is stupid,get your facts straight.Geohot clearly stated he was against Piracy and COD hacks./facepalm
03-29-2011, 05:28 PM #15
vSaBoTeuR x
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Originally posted by al9522 View Post
yea the 360 is better but still its nice to get on the ps3 once in a while without all the games being infested with hackers people think its going to be great if Geo wins but its really not the ps3 will completely stop selling and people who acutally want to fun playing games are going to the 360 I bet you Microsoft cant wait to see how the trial ends thats for sure


Actually this site isnt just for hackers the last time I checked and everyone has the right to voice their opinion so u GTFO sir


If you don't like hacks GTFO
03-29-2011, 05:30 PM #16
PsYcHoSiS
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Originally posted by al9522 View Post
i hope that that GeoFag loses he has no right to go and hack something like a ps3 and think its ok I mean it ruined games for people who tried to play legit and also pirating games which isnt right I know I am going to get a lot of hate 4this but IDC this is my opinon and I hope sony wins


Geohots JB doesn't support piracy.. Do your research before you troll....

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03-29-2011, 05:31 PM #17
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I swear this site was founded on glitching? :confused:

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03-29-2011, 05:52 PM #18
-Skyline
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Originally posted by al9522 View Post
i hope that that GeoFag loses he has no right to go and hack something like a ps3 and think its ok I mean it ruined games for people who tried to play legit and also pirating games which isnt right I know I am going to get a lot of hate 4this but IDC this is my opinon and I hope sony wins

Geohot, the man himself has stated that he has no interest in piracy and profitable gain using the Jailbreak!

If you end up in a modified game of Call of Duty, blame the maker of those mods, not Geohot!

Besides, I paid £500 when I got my first PS3, I think I'm entitled to do whatever I want with it, it's in my household so it's my property.

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03-29-2011, 05:53 PM #19
Originally posted by TrueSkyl1n3 View Post
Geohot, the man himself has stated that he has no interest in piracy and profitable gain using the Jailbreak!

If you end up in a modified game of Call of Duty, blame the maker of those mods, not Geohot!

Besides, I paid £500 when I got my first PS3, I think I'm entitled to do whatever I want with it, it's in my household so it's my property.


totally agree with you. well said

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