Post: Is Obama A Good president Or No???
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05-12-2010, 05:21 PM
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Saucy-_-
Red Wing's For Life!!!
01-16-2011, 06:54 AM
#227
CyA-Lo5eR
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Just4Hax
OMG it all makes sense now. Universal health care = dumbest idea ever. Of course thats why no other country uses it. Not like Canada and others. And all politicians lie. Great way of summing up our whole election system. Do some research before giving your opinion. I'm not saying Obamacare was good, actually it was horribly setup, but universal health care does exist in some places.
not once did i say no other country has it. i just feel that universal health care is stupid, why should I as a tax paying citizen pay for someone elses healthcare cause they are to lazy to get a job, or on welfare, or abusing the system, or even worse a illegal immigrant that doesnt wanna become a citizen and take jobs from other americans! before you quote me read what i say and dont assume that i dont know what i'm talking about.
p.s on another note obama still sucks and all politician do lie. they tell you the people what u wanna hear and blow smoke up your ass so they get elected. its all bullshit.
OMG it all makes sense now. Universal health care = dumbest idea ever. Of course thats why no other country uses it. Not like Canada and others. And all politicians lie. Great way of summing up our whole election system. Do some research before giving your opinion. I'm not saying Obamacare was good, actually it was horribly setup, but universal health care does exist in some places.
not once did i say no other country has it. i just feel that universal health care is stupid, why should I as a tax paying citizen pay for someone elses healthcare cause they are to lazy to get a job, or on welfare, or abusing the system, or even worse a illegal immigrant that doesnt wanna become a citizen and take jobs from other americans! before you quote me read what i say and dont assume that i dont know what i'm talking about.
p.s on another note obama still sucks and all politician do lie. they tell you the people what u wanna hear and blow smoke up your ass so they get elected. its all bullshit.
01-16-2011, 08:11 AM
#228
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Lo5eR
Just4Hax
OMG it all makes sense now. Universal health care = dumbest idea ever. Of course thats why no other country uses it. Not like Canada and others. And all politicians lie. Great way of summing up our whole election system. Do some research before giving your opinion. I'm not saying Obamacare was good, actually it was horribly setup, but universal health care does exist in some places.
not once did i say no other country has it. i just feel that universal health care is stupid, why should I as a tax paying citizen pay for someone elses healthcare cause they are to lazy to get a job, or on welfare, or abusing the system, or even worse a illegal immigrant that doesnt wanna become a citizen and take jobs from other americans! before you quote me read what i say and dont assume that i dont know what i'm talking about.
p.s on another note obama still sucks and all politician do lie. they tell you the people what u wanna hear and blow smoke up your ass so they get elected. its all bullshit.
OMG it all makes sense now. Universal health care = dumbest idea ever. Of course thats why no other country uses it. Not like Canada and others. And all politicians lie. Great way of summing up our whole election system. Do some research before giving your opinion. I'm not saying Obamacare was good, actually it was horribly setup, but universal health care does exist in some places.
not once did i say no other country has it. i just feel that universal health care is stupid, why should I as a tax paying citizen pay for someone elses healthcare cause they are to lazy to get a job, or on welfare, or abusing the system, or even worse a illegal immigrant that doesnt wanna become a citizen and take jobs from other americans! before you quote me read what i say and dont assume that i dont know what i'm talking about.
p.s on another note obama still sucks and all politician do lie. they tell you the people what u wanna hear and blow smoke up your ass so they get elected. its all bullshit.
LOL you pm'd me when you just needed to quote. Also you obviously haven't read any other post I've made on this thread so I won't comment until you do.
01-18-2011, 11:38 PM
#231
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Saucy
OMG, lmao man you've kept my thread alive for along time now
You should have been the 1 to make this thread, also what do you think obama's going to do if health care gets revoked???
You should have been the 1 to make this thread, also what do you think obama's going to do if health care gets revoked???
I can be very much into politics so I guess thats why I've kept the thread alive. Also Obama is going to do all he can to stop it from being revoked. He can veto if he chooses too which he will. Nothing will happen until some type of compromise happens as he will not want to be known as a president who made a huge mistake. Honestly, no offense to anyone, half of Obama's supporters have no idea what are in his bills or his plans. My friend who is pro Obama had no idea how much Obama had spent.
Also as a side note everyone I have debated with has given no valid reasons for being pro Obama. And have left the debate
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01-20-2011, 01:01 AM
#232
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Fletcher
They are not your views, you simply copy and pasted. (Your trying to seem like you know real facts about Obama but you dont)
I dont know much about Us politics, but Obama has been trying to introduce Health care which I see as being beneficial to the U.S.
Obama is a change for the US in many ways, but way too many people are too quick to judge when it comes to a change, but sometimes a change is for the good.
I dont know much about Us politics, but Obama has been trying to introduce Health care which I see as being beneficial to the U.S.
Obama is a change for the US in many ways, but way too many people are too quick to judge when it comes to a change, but sometimes a change is for the good.
Your speaking of Obamacare which is being sued to be repealed by 27 states currently. He pushed it through without any compromise. It goes against the constitution and freedom of choice. He has done nothing good. It still amazes me how people know so little yet judge. It also looks as if 40 states are going to sue soon. The stimulus cost way to much compared to what it did. If you can tell me where the money went it would shock me as he didn't specify. Look at my other posts and you will see my point.
I might get labeled, but in all honestly these are the reasons he got into office.
1. People were all upset with how the Republicans ran the Office so they voted Democrat (Hint: this is whats happening now which is why republicans are gaining control of the House as people are already getting tired of the democrats.)
2. He is an excellent speaker. He promised things that not one person would be able to accomplish
3. He would be known as the first black vote and was supported by almost all of the african american population (this is not racist look at the polls and you will agree)
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Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
The house in technical terms has a very strong power over budget spending but in reality not many senators or congressman have high morals out there and in turn they can't control the budget spending of the President as easily as it seems on paper. The house currently and in the five years before Obama knew their vote count would go downhill if they didn't approve the budget spending of Bush. Who would vote for the congressman or senator that didn't approve spending money on our own troops in the middle east? It may have not been that reason but obviously any President would make it look like that to get his own way. Also, I see in no way how health care could possibly be bad for the community in any way except the amount of money it costs to maintain it, but you never stated that. The recession we recently went through was mainly Bush's fault and if you can't accept that then that's your loss. On another note, calling Obama "Osama" was just a cheap shot, but it was expected coming from some redneck republican.
EDIT: When I was referring to him as a redneck I was providing an example of a stereotype commonly used in the world of politics and debating, I wasn't trying to insult him, I was just showing if he has to snoop low enough to call Obama "Osama," I can refer to political stereotypes as well. Obviously not all republicans are rednecks, especially not when you live in Denver, CO.
EDIT: When I was referring to him as a redneck I was providing an example of a stereotype commonly used in the world of politics and debating, I wasn't trying to insult him, I was just showing if he has to snoop low enough to call Obama "Osama," I can refer to political stereotypes as well. Obviously not all republicans are rednecks, especially not when you live in Denver, CO.
Like I told the other guy Obamacare is being sued by 27 states to be repealed. It just costs too much money. It only got pushed through because the democrats had control of the government completely. Also what the hell are you talking about! "the recession we recently went through" We are going to be in it for awhile and its not just us letting you know its global. In fact the US is one of the Winners of the Losers currently. To say it was all George Bushes fault is incredibly ignorant. To blame everything on one person. I'm taking a shot your one of the democrats that blame EVERYTHING on George Bush and say Obama is going to save the world. Do you really think this all happened because of him. One thing Drunken Republican has right is the idea we need 50/50. Its entirely true and what the founding fathers wanted. A well balanced government. Why else would we have 3 different branches of government. Tip: look at the other posts in this thread I've made to see all of my points do you have that many that are positive for Obama.
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Originally posted by DreadnoughtOSX
Here we go...
I completely agree. While change is not always beneficial, in a time of great change in every aspect of life, from the way we communicate to the way we see the world, change in America is indeed necessary.
Simply because Democrats have "the power in Congress" does not mean that such national issues are their fault, because it does not take many people in opposition of something for it to be held back. A perfect example of this is the Healthcare bill. Democrats control the House, but the few Republicans in Congress voted against it, and therefore it took months and months for Obama to finally push it through legislation.
I agree. Many people look at Obama's healthcare bill and think he's a bad person, when if you take a clear look at what he's trying to do, you'll realize his intentions are in the right place. I understand that the minor tax raises for the wealthy and those who decide to continue to be uninsured may seem wrong, but it is simply ensuring that the new costs of providing quality health care are met.
If you believe that that is true, then you're simply not listening to what is going on. Obama is attempting to push many things through legislation. What you have to understand is that the President does not have the power to simply push something through legislation without putting it through Congress first. If he did not have the issues he is having with Congress, we'd be having many other reforms than simply Health Care reform. For example, Obama is trying to make Immigration Reform, Energy Reform, and Finance Reform.
What exactly are you referring to? What did he exactly say he would do that he did not, or is not trying to do?
I completely agree. While change is not always beneficial, in a time of great change in every aspect of life, from the way we communicate to the way we see the world, change in America is indeed necessary.
Simply because Democrats have "the power in Congress" does not mean that such national issues are their fault, because it does not take many people in opposition of something for it to be held back. A perfect example of this is the Healthcare bill. Democrats control the House, but the few Republicans in Congress voted against it, and therefore it took months and months for Obama to finally push it through legislation.
I agree. Many people look at Obama's healthcare bill and think he's a bad person, when if you take a clear look at what he's trying to do, you'll realize his intentions are in the right place. I understand that the minor tax raises for the wealthy and those who decide to continue to be uninsured may seem wrong, but it is simply ensuring that the new costs of providing quality health care are met.
If you believe that that is true, then you're simply not listening to what is going on. Obama is attempting to push many things through legislation. What you have to understand is that the President does not have the power to simply push something through legislation without putting it through Congress first. If he did not have the issues he is having with Congress, we'd be having many other reforms than simply Health Care reform. For example, Obama is trying to make Immigration Reform, Energy Reform, and Finance Reform.
What exactly are you referring to? What did he exactly say he would do that he did not, or is not trying to do?
I completely disagree with you. He said he would get us out of the recession, while being impossible he said he would. Obamacare is horrible and being sued for repeal by 27 states. The stimulus had little effect for its cost. Also, lol, the democrats had complete control of the federal government you do realize that. People wanted change and Obama didn't give the change people wanted. I really don't want to post all of my points so just look for my posts in this thread.
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Originally posted by Steve
Wow now this is Schaffin's dream thread here. But I think he's an OK president I don't like the health care but he has done some other good stuff
What other good stuff are you speaking about
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Originally posted by CaptainDDL
So you believe it is good to promote discrimination based on the color of someone's skin? Why would you encourage hassling innocent people? I have no problem with being required to show ID if you have violated a crime, but the scenario you mentioned goes too far.
Quick statement. Illegal aliens technically speaking, don't have any rights in the US as it is. Also it's in Arizona the state where most illegals come across. I'm not expressing opinion and won't say where I'm at on it, but those are the facts.
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Originally posted by JoKeR
Its retards like you who make all republicans look bad.
Exactly right on the point
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Originally posted by Pricey91
Personally I think you should wait until the end of his presidency to judge him. Things don't just happen over night in politics, they sometimes take years. At the end you can see what has changed since he's been in power and weigh up if you are better or worse off.
After a midterm of chaos and doing a poor job of being a president I think its safe to say he had done a bad job.
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Originally posted by Camaro
Yea he's providing health care to everyone, but think about it, he isnt really helping people because he is raising the taxes to pay for the healthcare he is giving to people and that money is coming out of everyone's pocket, it isn't being payed for by him. Raising the taxes for something that isn't really a big necessity will just bring people into debt if they cannot afford such high taxes and what not. Didn't he also say he would bring ALL of the troops out of the war? Well I havent heard of that yet but a while back I did hear that he sent more troops in.. Obama hasn't done anything for the US in my opinion, he has given the U.S. empty promises. I also think a big reason he won was the fact that he would be the first African American to be president and almost every African American voted for him for that reason alone. That is just my opinion and i am entitled to say whatever I want.
Obama has said he is pulling Iraq troops in 2011 and Afghanistan 2014
---------- Post added at 05:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:58 PM ----------
Originally posted by Pricey91
You probably know more than I do about business, it's not my strong subject. You mentioned letting the economy come out of recession naturally. Sure it would work, recession and booms are just the way the world works. The question is, would waiting cost you more in the long run? With the rate countries like China are advancing at, America could fall behind which would be devastating for your economy. You could start to pick up again, and then suddenly be miles behind. This would drop you right back into that recession.
You also mention that Obama has spent money on things that have nothing to do with economic recovery. Every time someone spends money it's helping things along. It's making these companies more "cash rich" so they don't have to go and borrow ridiculous amounts of money from the banks at silly rates. As a knock on effect the banks will have to start too start being a bit looser with who the give loans too. They make there money off loans and if the companies who can guarantee a return don't need loans, they'll have to loan money to other to make a profit.
I'll say it again, I'm by no means an expert when it comes to business. My C grade at GCSE business isn't going to get me too far
You also mention that Obama has spent money on things that have nothing to do with economic recovery. Every time someone spends money it's helping things along. It's making these companies more "cash rich" so they don't have to go and borrow ridiculous amounts of money from the banks at silly rates. As a knock on effect the banks will have to start too start being a bit looser with who the give loans too. They make there money off loans and if the companies who can guarantee a return don't need loans, they'll have to loan money to other to make a profit.
I'll say it again, I'm by no means an expert when it comes to business. My C grade at GCSE business isn't going to get me too far
He is not spending money into business. It is from the federal reserve, which obtains money from the citizens through tax.In fact he has essentially punished small business with his healthcare plan and heavy taxes. There is definitely a antiwallstreet and business vibe from him.
01-20-2011, 04:06 AM
#234
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Steve
^^^(Not quoting that giant post)^^^ He's slowly pulling us out of this recession were in. The economy is getting better it seems like. Stocks are doing better etc.
He's not the one that has been pulling us out of the recession. If you can't say what he's done to help you can't say he has helped. If you are speaking of the trillions he has spent that will be paid for by the american citizen. He has punished businesses the whole time. The stocks are doing better, but housing isn't. Housing must do better or we're heading nowhere. If you read all of my posts you would realize he has fought business the whole time.
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01-20-2011, 06:35 AM
#235
drunkenrepublicn
NGU Retired Staff
Obama likes poor people so much that he wants to make more of them. Every one of his so called political agendas are to socialize the United States-plain and simple. Whats funny is he all of a sudden wants to work as a team to solve our issues-where was this working together last year or the year before that?-----Wasn't there, because his regime and himself wanted to pass everything they could while the republicans did not have enough votes to shut him down. Well, now that the Republicans have the seats, he wants to work together----I say screw him.
I will say this and find it very true: Most people who call themselves Democrats are not even close to the Socialist Democrats like Obama and his little crew of bitch's. It is unfortunate that a hand full of people can bring down a country so much-so fast, regardless if their Republican or Democrat.
I have said it before and I will say it again--this country needs both party's to run smoothly and it needs to be as close to a 50/50 split as possible.
I will say this and find it very true: Most people who call themselves Democrats are not even close to the Socialist Democrats like Obama and his little crew of bitch's. It is unfortunate that a hand full of people can bring down a country so much-so fast, regardless if their Republican or Democrat.
I have said it before and I will say it again--this country needs both party's to run smoothly and it needs to be as close to a 50/50 split as possible.
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