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Lebron James - The Mistake

Lebron, Lebron, Lebron. Was it worth it? You were on the track to winning a ring with Cleveland. After this year, Boston is splitting up, and had you stayed with Cleveland I felt your chances of winning would be higher than ever. How much regret do you think he has. I know the regular season isn't over yet but for crying out loud! At the beginning of the year when the Heat were bad all the analysts said, "Oh don't worry give them time." Even Lebron said they are going to get better at the beginning of the year. How much time to they need? Playoffs are coming and teams like Boston, San Antonio, and LA are looking more ready than ever. Meanwhile the Heat can't actually beat a good team, nor can perform in the clutch. Unless some divine intervention happens, I don't see the Heat contending at all. Another question that pops into my mind is, how close is Spoelstra from getting fired? I have a gut feeling Pat Riley will step in soon, because it's now or never!

tl;dr: The Miami Heat have a 0% chance of winning the title this year, and Lebron should have stayed in Cleveland.

Now enjoy this video (not by me)

Just going to throw my opinion out there I think LeBron did make a mistake on his stage show but really I dont know how you could say they have no shot at making a title run. I am going to guess before playoffs happen that Pat Riley will return to the floor and coach this team up. If that happens I think there shot goes up very high and we all know the potential of Pat Riley.

Originally posted by IzBoogz

ClutchLikeMelo I'm very happy you created this thread. This thread gives people in my opinion the true idea of what Lebron James did. Which is his biggest mistake of his life. I remember when he first came into the league he changed the entire cleveland team into a winning dynasty. The man could of won the ring if he stood patience. if i remember correctly you stated boston celtics are spilting apart and your right about that but also there getting much older. Lebron James could of done what Michael Jordan did. Stood with one franchise with a good supporting cast and gave Cleveland it first champion. by joining mami he threw himself out of discussion for comparison of Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. Lebron James had so many potiental to have his legacy written to be GOAT. But by forming an alliances with his buddies Wade and Bosh he tarnish that legacy. Yes he says he going for the ring, but people will question him could he have won it without Wade and Bosh? i hardly doubt it. They way the trio predicted how many rings there going to win was ridcoulous. A lot people get on me because they say "oh kobe can't win it without shaq" but people tend to forget when shaq came to the Lakers, who they had? Young Derek Fisher (which he distrube the ball damn well at young age) then you had Robert Horry (a clutch 3 pointer in the post-season) and Rick Fox (a good average player.) Then you have the best coach of all time who coached one of the greatest player of all time which is Michael Jordan. What I believe is what people failed realized is you need a 1 & 2 punch combo and helluva coach who knows how to utilize his team with good supporting cast to win a championship team. The coach they have is very young with a lot of potiental but he seem be having a lot problems having his hothead espeically Lebron James under control. You know how many times Lebron James missed a clutch shot espeically a blocked from Amare Stoudmire. Lebron forgets he is not clutch shooter he is a clutch dunker. He not in level to be consider a clutch player such as Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, and Chauncey Billups etc. In my personal opinion Lebron gets too much attention handed to him when he doesn't deserve it. He couldn't handle the pressure to win championship in Cleveland so he went to his buddy to "try" to "win" a championship. The guy is pathetic. I'm very disappointed in Lebron James. I'm glad you made this thread ClutchLikeMelo. I thought this was a very good thread

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IzBoogz

Vick hasnt won though .

Why not give yourself a nickname when your that good? Nobody ended up giving the heat a nickname 1/4th a way into the season, why not make up a nickname? Who gives a **** what everyone else says, it's his life.

If you guys/the people at espn/the hall of fame voters don't want to group him in with Micheal or Kobe (Lebron has already proven he has more talent) I DOUBT LEBRON CARES. He wants rings, thats what hes said he wants, and thats what I believe he wants. He IS going to win in Miami, and HE is going to get recognized for those rings. None of this "tarnish his legacy" BULL SHIT.

Just because he had the opportunity to go to a team with talent doesn't mean his reputation is "tarnished". That is just like any other star going to any other team with star power to try and win. Like Melo, is his reputation tarnished now? You got Armari, Melo, and Chaunice, three stars on a team, I guess there rep is down the drain. Same with all the Celtics, Garnet, Piece, Alan, Rondo, Shaq, whats that, 5 stars? Why isn't there rep "tarnished".
ITS BECAUSE PEOLE HATE ON LEBRON.

On another note, here's some things that were going through lebron's mind when he decided to go to Miami.

"Do anything to win."
"Winning isn’t everything; it’s the only thing "
"Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted-One moment
Would you capture it or just let it slip."

And enough with this dumb spinoffs of Lebrons Rise, they are all stupid.

You put up a valid and interesting agruement. But Michael Vick? you cannot bring him in to the converstation. Why? The man career and legacy was almost destroyed due to fact of crimes he commited. He killed those pitbulls and had to serve sentences he served. He came back to NFL with something to prove. Which is he still got it like he had it in Alantla. Now I have agruement on what you said. Yes i do believe Lebron James ruined his legacy. It not about what you care or what you don't care. It how you present yourself to the people. Lebron James showed the possiblility of winning championship with Cleveland when he was defeated by the Spurs. I mean come on did you even listen to what Michael Jordan said when Lebron James form a Big Three in Miami. He said he understood why James did but he would never done what he had done. Why? because he said he wants to be the best by BEATING THE BEST!!! Isn't that what Michael Jordan say? I certainly believe so. It not because people hate Lebron it because people saw Lebron backed out on the challegne. You don't promise a city a championship if your going to fold. Do you remember what he said during his draft? He promise the City of Cleveland he will bring a championship to his people. Lebron James left so many holes in his legacy. Just cause you win rings don't make you the best. You need to beat the best to become the best so your rings have meanings into it. Lebron James very good basketball player but from what he shown he is not clutch shooter. He doesn't have the intenstiy like other elite players have. Also, since you want compare the other big threes. Look at the Celtics, you think people agreed with whole big three? I dont think so. The Knicks, Melo decided to go team up with amare with billups. You think people are going to look at his ring that "oh yeah he won it with out his big three" At end of the day you have to remember what Jordan said To become the best you need to beat the best. It not about different time Era. It about Do you got what it takes to fight your way to the Championship? I get hated on by a lot Lebron lovers. But the facts are right there. What is Lebron doing? He most likely regretting to go to Miami. Lebron James should of made a better decision for his career. You do realized if he only win 1 championship rings then he really going look back and regret that shit cause he could of won a lot more else where. Maybe with the knicks when he could of had a 1&2 punch combo with Amare. Who knows? Will see the next 5 or 6 years how it goes in Miami.

Sorry, i got through half of that and i just couldn't keep readin, try adding some paragraph breaks, i just couldn't follow the sentences.

As for what you said. RINGS ARE EVERYTHING. That cannot be argued. Every single sane person will say that. Everybody was saying Lebron wasn't on the level of jordan and Kobe because he didn't have a ring. Everyone says McNabb isn't on the level on Peyton, Brady, Rotherlesburger, Brees, because he doesn't have a ring. THEY ARE EVERYTHING IN ALL SPORTS. He wanted to ensure that he would be able to get a ring, there was no way that he knew he would be able to get one in Cleavland.

As for guarenteeing a Championship. Yes, yes you do guarentee it even if you cant promise it. You do it to give faith to your franchise, you do it to generate ticket sales, you do it to pump up the home crowd, you do it for a contract! Just like football players guarantee a SB win, or one of the pitsburgh players guanrenteed they would beat the pats when they went on for there near undefeated season, they do it to get confidence in there team. Or in the movies when some elder figure tells a little kid it'll be alright when there not sure themselves, its to give them confidence. What lebron did was right, he gave cleveland hope, and plenty of years of great basketball.

As for Micheal Vick, I don't quite get what you were saying. I think you meant Micheal Vick did a crime, served his time, and came back and kicked some ass. Which is totally fine. Yeah he was a bad example, but i was just trying to get the point across that people like Kobe, Rothlessburger, and others get worthsiped daily and they have raped HUMANS, not defenseless dogs. Lebron hasn't done anything, i mean whenever a sports figure does somthing like this you hear so much support against them, but when theres the famous ones that havn't yet done it (pre-tigers meltdown), Lefty, Lebron, you hear nothing. It's just stupid imo.

As for you saying something about Micheal Jordan saying he never would have done it. MICHEAL JORDAN IS A LIER. He would have done it, its the beggining/end of his carrer (either one will work) he is an up and comming star/worn old past his prime star and he has the chance to go to a powerhouse team with 2 other good players. He can get his first rings/a couple more rings at the end of his carrer doing this, while making tons of money. If that opportunity arose for any superstar in the NBA they can't say they would turn it down. And i mean it actually arose for them, because with that once in a life time thing you dream about in college opportunity staring you in the face, you wouldn't turn it down.

That's all I got from your wall of text, maybe add some paragraphs or a tl;dr next time

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Shoot I forgot to break it in paragraphs lol. But idk if people will look @ the rings as everything. It might be whole shaq-kobe thing again. Cause when lebron wins a ring then people will think oh he can't win it without wade and bosh.

Lol people are very picky. So idk about that. Cause it good to win some rings but people will not look at it like he won it with out his superstars buddies. Will see how world reacts when he wins some rings in miami =P

Ok, well idk if you paid attention to this before he went to Miami, or if you pay attention to sports like football (american), but before Lebron went to Miami a lot of the hall of fame voters and fans didn't put him on Kobe's and MJ's level because he did not have rings. So he goes to Miami, gets rings, but then it will be said that "he can't do it without wade/bosh" sorta like Kobe-Shaq. I'm sure that will happen, but i excpect Lebron to move out of miami after 6-7 years and still be able to play and maybe even win, so he still might get a title after Miami. Its so dumb how peopel say that he isnt good because he doesn't have rings, then if he gets a ring it wont count because he got it with other superstars.

If you take a look at Footbal (again american) it's all about if you have rings. McNabb is my favorite player and has been, but he hasn't been able to get a ring. He has not had any supporting talent on offense besides Westbrook and Owens (a pain while in philly) besides his last year there. Yet he has been able to put up numbers that compete with Brady, Manning, and beat most of Brees'. So if he is as good as theese people, why does he not get as much talk about being as good of a QB as them? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A RING.Peyton has had amazing talent all of his carrer to get him his ring, and this past year he had barely any talent. When he came playoff towarsd the end of the year and playoff time for him he got crushed. It's just another sign that one person cant make a team no matter how much ESPN rides there dick and says they can.

Lebron new it would be a while before he won in cleveland with most of the NBA teams getting better and his team going nowere. It was his time to move in that free agency period, there wouldn't be another one like that in a while. He capitalized and screwed cleveland before they screwed him, All's fair in love and buisness right?

Id have to say Wilt Chamberlain was "tied" or maybe even better then Jordan and also the Celtics won it when they had Pierce and acquired KG and Ray Allen so ya i would expect a team who already has D Wade then acquires CB4 and Lebron to do pretty damn good

There weren't so many powerhouses back then. Just a few good teams that were compeating against eachother. Just wait till they start gelling

Well you said both, so I figured you meant Big Ben and Kobe. Vick still catches a lot of heat from the media for what he did.

As I said, I agree with you on going to Miami was a good decision. I don't think it hurts his "legacy." I think he wins multiple championships with the Heat. In my opinion, he is the best player in the game. If I was starting a new team and could have any player it would be LeBron.

Like I said the only thing I disagree with you is the first post I quoted. I took your post as LeBron is a victim for all this attention he gets.