Post: Prostitution
07-05-2011, 12:38 AM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So, opinions on prostitution? Should it be legal or not? Maybe only under certain circumstances? Yes/no?

This topic came to mind as I saw a program on TV, 2 female police officers(UK) pretending to be prostitutes then subsequently arresting the "customers". Surely this is extremely unfair? Opinions, please Smile
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07-30-2011, 05:10 PM #110
TornadoCreator
A Storm Approaches.
Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
your taking my words out of context /facepalm, did i say slave and stop there or did i say slave to make ends meet, seriously i swear when i was writing that i knew one if you were going to cherry pick that line.

also i like when i back up my view with stats, and facts the only thing everyone here is able to do is then quote me out of context and stray the topic elswhere by bringing up a topic that is connected to the issue but not the issue we are talking about (in this case hurr durr you didn't say anything about male prostitutes so your ignorant and lose...)

heres an example of what you are doing if we were talking about weed.
i say my view, you read it and instead of challanging it because i have facts and stats to back up what im saying, you say im ignorant and "lose" because i ONCE AGAIN HURR forgot about to talk about hemp. dun dun dun


I haven't taken a single think out of context nor have I cherry picked anything. I have highlighted that you equate prostitution with human trafficking even though they're entirely different things. Insult peoples opinions without provocation and then outright lie claiming that prostitutes are forced into that line or work and are therefore the equivalent of slaves.

The fact is, if prostitution was legal, pimping rackets would collapse because the pimp would be entirely redundant, legal guilds, societies and unions would take their place and the job would be just as safe as working as a violin teacher. Your blatent disreguard of the concept that some people chose that profession and should have the right to choose that profession is why people call you ignorant, and your claims that legalising prostitution would increase crimes which are often directly caused by the fact that prostitution is illegal are transparent and clear cases of emotional pleading. You have given no reasons why prostitution should be illegal at all, just faulty logic and misplaced connections. Quoting statistics doesn't make you correct, it just proves you can use a search engine.
07-30-2011, 05:19 PM #111
morton777
Bounty hunter
If it's clean and healthy yes, if not and influenced by drugs or the prostitute has an STI then no.
07-30-2011, 05:31 PM #112
E0000B6FAF25838
Nikolai Reznov
Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post


no, women don't choose prostitution, they are forced to it in circumstances, women CHOOSE pornography.


Are you ****ing dumb? Sure, sometimes women are forced in to prostitution, but there's a reason it's called the world's oldest "profession," some women choose to do it because it's the easiest solution at the time, the fact that they become a prostitute of their own volition means that it's their choice and they can stop whenever they want.

As for pornography - are you really that stupid? Not every woman who wants to can be in porn. Prostitutes don't have to meet any standards to be out on the street, porn actresses usually need to look good from almost any angle. Also, I doubt porn is much more inviting than prostitution. "Do you wanna have sex with someone you don't know? Or do you want to have sex with someone you still don't know, and record it and distribute it for thousands of men to masturbate to?"

Originally posted by another user
wasn't my logic, it was tornadocreator's, i was showing way of thinking doesn't work with everything, and the response you gave backs why i made that example


What? The example you gave was a direct metaphor between bombs and prostitution, used to work against prostitution, not for it...

Originally posted by another user
also my stance on the issue is that i don't have an issue with two consenting individuals who are going to exchange sex for money.


There we go, therefore, prostitution is perfectly fine, thank you and have a nice day.

Originally posted by another user
what i know is that making it legal only causes more people to profit off of women forced into their last resort of becoming a sex slave to make ends meet.


You're claiming the woman is suffering, but if it's her last option, do you think she'd prefer the alternative of going homeless? Everyone is different, if a woman wants to become a prostitute of her own volition, why not let her?

Originally posted by another user
and making it legal doesn't mean street prostitution will become legal, brothels would become legal, causing prostitutes to become registered, something prostitutes don't want to do because they want anonymity, which leads to the illegal sector increasing. and then the crimes committed against these women forced into street prostitution have no legal justice system behind them when they are raped and assaulted like all the stats i have quoted previously


You mean the stats that apply now... So, you're saying we shouldn't legalize prostitution because of the amount of prostitutes who are abused now? To me, it's an obvious choice: Get registered and be protected by law, don't get registered and then run the risk of getting raped. They would have a choice.

Originally posted by another user
also prostitution is a major contributor to the spread of aids and hiv's, a clean prostitute could have sex with someone whos infected, and then she has sex with more clients, and it spreads like wild fire.


If it was legalized brothels could run organized checks on each prostitute before sending them back out.

Originally posted by another user
and prostitution only degrades the character of women in society and makes them look more like objects than people, something i rather not have because i respect women and wouldn't pay a women to USE her.


It degrades the character of women who are prostitutes. To say that all women are objects of sexual desire, just because prostitution would be legal is just pure ignorance. That's like saying that because one white man shot a black man, all white men hate all black men. Only idiots would actually change their view of all women because a select few decide to become sexual objects.

And it's good that you have your morals and all, but if a woman chooses prostitution, she wants to make money, having no takers is like not having a job. Prostitutes wouldn't view that as a particularly helpful sentiment.

Originally posted by another user
im sorry but i rather not have it legalized as with countries that have done it before, it only causes illegal sectors to grow, brothels that create huge money for the owners off of the poor women forced into the work, the degrading of women in our society and makes them look like objects, and largely spreads fatal diseases which don't have cures.


Just because a woman is poor doesn't mean she's forced into the work, she has the option of being homeless or having a home, it all comes down to what they're willing to do for it. I already brought up the object argument above, and as for diseases, once again, as long as they are checked before they are sent out, the spreading of diseases shouldn't be a problem to anyone except the prostitute herself, which knows the risks of having sex with total strangers.

While I don't think being a prostitute would be a favorable line of work for a woman, I do think having the option would be good, as a decent alternative to life on the streets - depending on what the woman is willing to do.

If the woman is a prostitute of her own volition, there's no reason it should be illegal.
07-30-2011, 09:59 PM #113
PhantomRenegade
PS3 hacking is dead
Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
Are you ****ing dumb? Sure, sometimes women are forced in to prostitution, but there's a reason it's called the world's oldest "profession," some women choose to do it because it's the easiest solution at the time, the fact that they become a prostitute of their own volition means that it's their choice and they can stop whenever they want.

As for pornography - are you really that stupid? Not every woman who wants to can be in porn. Prostitutes don't have to meet any standards to be out on the street, porn actresses usually need to look good from almost any angle. Also, I doubt porn is much more inviting than prostitution. "Do you wanna have sex with someone you don't know? Or do you want to have sex with someone you still don't know, and record it and distribute it for thousands of men to masturbate to?"



What? The example you gave was a direct metaphor between bombs and prostitution, used to work against prostitution, not for it...



There we go, therefore, prostitution is perfectly fine, thank you and have a nice day.



You're claiming the woman is suffering, but if it's her last option, do you think she'd prefer the alternative of going homeless? Everyone is different, if a woman wants to become a prostitute of her own volition, why not let her?



You mean the stats that apply now... So, you're saying we shouldn't legalize prostitution because of the amount of prostitutes who are abused now? To me, it's an obvious choice: Get registered and be protected by law, don't get registered and then run the risk of getting raped. They would have a choice.



If it was legalized brothels could run organized checks on each prostitute before sending them back out.



It degrades the character of women who are prostitutes. To say that all women are objects of sexual desire, just because prostitution would be legal is just pure ignorance. That's like saying that because one white man shot a black man, all white men hate all black men. Only idiots would actually change their view of all women because a select few decide to become sexual objects.

And it's good that you have your morals and all, but if a woman chooses prostitution, she wants to make money, having no takers is like not having a job. Prostitutes wouldn't view that as a particularly helpful sentiment.



Just because a woman is poor doesn't mean she's forced into the work, she has the option of being homeless or having a home, it all comes down to what they're willing to do for it. I already brought up the object argument above, and as for diseases, once again, as long as they are checked before they are sent out, the spreading of diseases shouldn't be a problem to anyone except the prostitute herself, which knows the risks of having sex with total strangers.

While I don't think being a prostitute would be a favorable line of work for a woman, I do think having the option would be good, as a decent alternative to life on the streets - depending on what the woman is willing to do.

If the woman is a prostitute of her own volition, there's no reason it should be illegal.


/facepalm nobody here understands what making prostitution legal means. causing it to be legal doesn't mean that street prostitution becomes legal, it means brothels would be set up, where prostitutes can apply and get employment. do you comprehend so far? okay, now the VAST MAJORITY of prostitutes are forced into selling them selves to be used so they can make ends meet, they won't go to a brothel for the following reasons, they lose money due to taxes, they lose anonymity due to being in an open to public brothel where they are registered by name, they work hours that they are given, these prostitutes or people who are forced to give sex to survive would rather do street prostitution where they are given anonymity, don't pay taxes, work hours when they choose, charge how much they please. street prostitution would not become legal though, and thus the spreading of fatal diseases is not controlled, the crimes like rape and assault and murder that happens to them doesn't have the law behind them, and thus legalization only hurts the problem.

but the brothels that are filled with registered employed prostitutes i have no problem with, they are health checked and protected, but like i said it hurts the illegal sector more then the current state its in by legalizing brothels.

Originally posted by another user
Sure, sometimes women are forced in to prostitution


that is a very rude comment, your downplaying it very hard, the vast majority of prostitutes are forced into it because its their last and final option before begging on the street for spare change, the vast minority of prostitutes do it out of their own choice and free will and are not forced into doing it because if they don't they can't get work anywhere else, please go to a womens shelter and interview some women there who are prostitutes when those shelter doors close for the night, and you will see them begging to do anything else.

Originally posted by another user
So, you're saying we shouldn't legalize prostitution because of the amount of prostitutes who are abused now?

if there is a problem happening to indivuals who are forced to take part in an illegal act, legalizing it doesnt remove the suffering, alternatives to what they are doing will fix the solution.

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Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
I haven't taken a single think out of context nor have I cherry picked anything. I have highlighted that you equate prostitution with human trafficking even though they're entirely different things. Insult peoples opinions without provocation and then outright lie claiming that prostitutes are forced into that line or work and are therefore the equivalent of slaves.

The fact is, if prostitution was legal, pimping rackets would collapse because the pimp would be entirely redundant, legal guilds, societies and unions would take their place and the job would be just as safe as working as a violin teacher. Your blatent disreguard of the concept that some people chose that profession and should have the right to choose that profession is why people call you ignorant, and your claims that legalising prostitution would increase crimes which are often directly caused by the fact that prostitution is illegal are transparent and clear cases of emotional pleading. You have given no reasons why prostitution should be illegal at all, just faulty logic and misplaced connections. Quoting statistics doesn't make you correct, it just proves you can use a search engine.


i wasn't replying to you, you seem to have left this argument when you flamed me and alleged to report my posts, i replyed to koalaa, please have a nice day.
07-30-2011, 11:03 PM #114
E0000B6FAF25838
Nikolai Reznov
Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
/facepalm nobody here understands what making prostitution legal means. causing it to be legal doesn't mean that street prostitution becomes legal, it means brothels would be set up, where prostitutes can apply and get employment. do you comprehend so far? okay, now the VAST MAJORITY of prostitutes are forced into selling them selves to be used so they can make ends meet, they won't go to a brothel for the following reasons, they lose money due to taxes, they lose anonymity due to being in an open to public brothel where they are registered by name, they work hours that they are given, these prostitutes or people who are forced to give sex to survive would rather do street prostitution where they are given anonymity, don't pay taxes, work hours when they choose, charge how much they please. street prostitution would not become legal though, and thus the spreading of fatal diseases is not controlled, the crimes like rape and assault and murder that happens to them doesn't have the law behind them, and thus legalization only hurts the problem.


First off, something you don't seem to understand, if women go into prostitution without the threat of someone killing or injuring them or their family, it's by choice. They could always choose to not go into prostitution. There is a big difference between being forced into prostitution and being forced into a situation where prostitution is a (relatively) viable solution. Not every homeless woman becomes a prostitute, you know why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CHOICE. If they were truly forced like you say, every homeless woman would be a prostitute.

Secondly, the way you describe things, I don't see how legalization would affect things in a negative manner, it would give women a choice to do things legally. It would be for less money, but it would come with a shelter. It would be bad hours, but it would come with police protection. It's an option they don't have now that could make the whole experience safer for the women who choose to take it. If they don't take it, they're in the exact same situation as they are now. So what's wrong with giving them a choice, even if they won't all take it?

Originally posted by another user
but the brothels that are filled with registered employed prostitutes i have no problem with, they are health checked and protected, but like i said it hurts the illegal sector more then the current state its in by legalizing brothels.


Once again I don't see the logic behind this. Based on what you described, the illegal prostitutes will be in the same situation as they are now, except they can choose to get registered. I don't see any changes on the negative side of things.

Originally posted by another user
that is a very rude comment, your downplaying it very hard, the vast majority of prostitutes are forced into it because its their last and final option before begging on the street for spare change, the vast minority of prostitutes do it out of their own choice and free will and are not forced into doing it because if they don't they can't get work anywhere else, please go to a womens shelter and interview some women there who are prostitutes when those shelter doors close for the night, and you will see them begging to do anything else.


Once again, there's a difference between being forced into it and being forced into a situation where it is a possible remedy.

Originally posted by another user
if there is a problem happening to indivuals who are forced to take part in an illegal act, legalizing it doesnt remove the suffering, alternatives to what they are doing will fix the solution.


It's going to continue either way, why not make it safer for the prostitutes and all parties involved with regular checks and the possibility of calling police?
07-30-2011, 11:57 PM #115
Jaw1312
moc.etadpUneGtxeN
I mean what if they had no other choice but to be a prostitute, it should be legal for the ones that actually need it, but that would be impossible to tell, so i would have to stick with it being illegal
07-31-2011, 01:39 AM #116
What I still don't understand is why is sex such a special thing that people feel obliged to consider it a last resort? It's just sex, it's not special, it's not holy, it's just a way of enjoying yourself. People have no problem with porn, yet if anything morally that's worse.

Some of the arguments in this thread are very strange indeed, and nearly all of these have been for the illegalization(not a word, I know) of prostitution.
08-01-2011, 12:07 AM #117
I thought prostitution was legal in England lol. I've seen "massage parlours" and hookers getting into cars and cop cars go past them at night and no one cares :/
08-01-2011, 12:39 AM #118
Booshykins
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Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
/facepalm nobody here understands what making prostitution legal means. causing it to be legal doesn't mean that street prostitution becomes legal, it means brothels would be set up, where prostitutes can apply and get employment. do you comprehend so far? okay, now the VAST MAJORITY of prostitutes are forced into selling them selves to be used so they can make ends meet, they won't go to a brothel for the following reasons, they lose money due to taxes, they lose anonymity due to being in an open to public brothel where they are registered by name, they work hours that they are given, these prostitutes or people who are forced to give sex to survive would rather do street prostitution where they are given anonymity, don't pay taxes, work hours when they choose, charge how much they please. street prostitution would not become legal though, and thus the spreading of fatal diseases is not controlled, the crimes like rape and assault and murder that happens to them doesn't have the law behind them, and thus legalization only hurts the problem.

but the brothels that are filled with registered employed prostitutes i have no problem with, they are health checked and protected, but like i said it hurts the illegal sector more then the current state its in by legalizing brothels.



that is a very rude comment, your downplaying it very hard, the vast majority of prostitutes are forced into it because its their last and final option before begging on the street for spare change, the vast minority of prostitutes do it out of their own choice and free will and are not forced into doing it because if they don't they can't get work anywhere else, please go to a womens shelter and interview some women there who are prostitutes when those shelter doors close for the night, and you will see them begging to do anything else.


if there is a problem happening to indivuals who are forced to take part in an illegal act, legalizing it doesnt remove the suffering, alternatives to what they are doing will fix the solution.

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i wasn't replying to you, you seem to have left this argument when you flamed me and alleged to report my posts, i replyed to koalaa, please have a nice day.


nobody here understands what making prostitution legal means. causing it to be legal doesn't mean that street prostitution becomes legal, it means brothels would be set up

If you think this, you've ENTIRELY misinterpreted the intentions of this thread. Prostitution isn't limited to brothels, kiddo. I don't even know why you think it is. You're obviously the one that doesn't understand what making prostitution legal means. You're a one-track minded person, y'know? Talk to a lawyer, then come back and tell me that only brothels will be legal if prostitution in its most definitive form is legalized. God, dude. I can't believe this!

okay, now the VAST MAJORITY of prostitutes are forced into selling them selves to be used so they can make ends meet,

How in the hell do you even think you know that? I doubt you've EVER talked to a prostitute about what they do, and why they do. Just because someone tells you something (specifically when they have no experience with it whatsoever) doesn't mean it's true. The problem with your precious statistics is that statistics are easily made up. We prefer logic, and just because you can't argue with logic doesn't mean you're right with your statistics.

they won't go to a brothel for the following reasons, they lose money due to taxes, they lose anonymity due to being in an open to public brothel where they are registered by name, they work hours that they are given, these prostitutes or people who are forced to give sex to survive would rather do street prostitution where they are given anonymity, don't pay taxes, work hours when they choose, charge how much they please. street prostitution would not become legal though,

ONCE AGAIN; brothels aren't the only place where prostitution would and could be legalized. If you would actually read our comments, instead of accusing us of taking your comments out of context (which we obviously haven't, because you can't even back your comments up with anything other than statistics even AFTER we criticize them), you would KNOW this.

And have you ever watched those TV shows about people that work in brothels? If you watch it once, you would see how happy and well off they are.

As for "street prostitution would not become legal though", how the hell do you know that, either? Are you a psychic? Please tell us you're a psychic, so we can take you even less seriously than we do now.

Stop combating our arguments with blatant ignorance.

and thus the spreading of fatal diseases is not controlled, the crimes like rape and assault and murder that happens to them doesn't have the law behind them, and thus legalization only hurts the problem.

If a god damned doctor hands out licenses, as many have said, but you just ignore it, it would be. As for the crimes like "rape and assault and murder that happens to them"... Really, have you ever even met a prostitute, or are you once again just believing what you're told from some "statistics"? You do realize statistics are generally made up on the spot by a company that the person who wants to have their cause supported pays... this is pretty common knowledge, and quite supported itself.

that is a very rude comment, your downplaying it very hard, the vast majority of prostitutes are forced into it because its their last and final option before begging on the street for spare change, the vast minority of prostitutes do it out of their own choice and free will and are not forced into doing it because if they don't they can't get work anywhere else*, please go to a womens shelter and interview some women there who are prostitutes** when those shelter doors close for the night, and you will see them begging to do anything else.

* = prove this. A lot of willing prostitutes do it based on the fact that it's all they can do, but that doesn't mean they don't enjoy and profit from it well. You do realize a "vast majority" in one place isn't necessarily that much in another, right? I don't know where you reside, but that's a really dangerous assumption. Go to every city, tell a few prostitutes that they don't have to do what they do, they can get help and they don't have to be a shame, and I guarantee you at least half of them will slap you.

You make prostitution sound terrible, and that in itself is implying women and men (because, AGAIN, it isn't only women that do this) prostitutes are less dignified than the average working person. Hypocrite.

** There aren't ONLY WOMEN prostitutes. not EVERYTHING is about only THEIR "suffering". GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD, and then come back and talk to us. And a lot of woman in those shelters have abusive boyfriends, friends, and husbands, so maybe we should illegalize relationships, eh?

You're a wannabe feminist. This much has become obvious. You can't provide your own evidence, you can't argue with anything but statistics, and you constantly ignore the fact that men are forced into prostitution and are willingly prostitutes too.

You're a fanboy of the female "rights-struggle", and just like any other fanboy, you can't bring anything valid or viable to the discussion.

if there is a problem happening to indivuals who are forced to take part in an illegal act, legalizing it doesnt remove the suffering, alternatives to what they are doing will fix the solution.

If it was legal, than it wouldn't be a problem then, huh? Because prostitution would require a license, handed out by a doctor, which says that the individual who wishes to become a prostitute IS WILLING, and IS HEALTHY. And it's easy to tell if someone is insincere about willingness. Bruises, nervousness, and fear are even easier to detect.

Of course legalizing doesn't remove the suffering completely, but it would fix the issues of those who do it legitimately, and even those who don't wish to do it at all to an extent, and don't deserve to be criticized for what they do. It's not a full-proof system, but it's a SAFER system. For the prostitute AND the client. Those forced into it need to have someone help them, I won't disagree with that. But people who do it willingly and happily don't deserve to have their rights and profession of choice taken away from them. And trying to do so completely contradicts with your whole "females have rights" act. And really, you need to stop with that. Men do this too, and the fact that you're ignoring that doesn't really make your "views" sound sincere.

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