Post: Prostitution
07-05-2011, 12:38 AM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So, opinions on prostitution? Should it be legal or not? Maybe only under certain circumstances? Yes/no?

This topic came to mind as I saw a program on TV, 2 female police officers(UK) pretending to be prostitutes then subsequently arresting the "customers". Surely this is extremely unfair? Opinions, please Smile
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07-29-2011, 11:43 PM #101
PhantomRenegade
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Originally posted by Koalaa View Post
Re-read my post. It completely renders your argument IR********. (Are you serious, guys? You've censored that now, too? Way to make things a lot more difficult for no reason. This has nothing to do with this discussion, btw, I'm referring to the fact that they've censored a commonly used and harmless word because they're butthurt about some douchebag.) I've addressed this already.


cool, you believe that someone who wants to sell sex services should have that right, so prostitution should be legal, now read this.

Originally posted by another user
Legalization was supposed to get prostituted women off the street. Many women don’t want to register and undergo health checks, as required by law in certain countries legalizing prostitution, so legalization often drives them into street prostitution. And many women choose street prostitution because they want to avoid being controlled and exploited by the new sex "businessmen."

In the Netherlands, women in prostitution point out that legalization or decriminalization of the sex industry cannot erase the stigma of prostitution but, instead, makes women more vulnerable to abuse because they must register and lose anonymity. Thus, the majority of women in prostitution still choose to operate illegally and underground. Members of Parliament who originally supported the legalization of brothels on the grounds that this would liberate women are now seeing that legalization actually reinforces the oppression of women (Daley, 2001 : A1).

The argument that legalization was supposed to take the criminal elements out of sex businesses by strict regulation of the industry has failed. The real growth in prostitution in Australia since legalization took effect has been in the illegal sector. Since the onset of legalization in Victoria, brothels have tripled in number and expanded in size - the vast majority having no licenses but advertising and operating with impunity (Sullivan and Jeffreys : 2001). In New South Wales, brothels were decriminalized in 1995. In 1999, the numbers of brothels in Sydney had increased exponentially to 400-500. The vast majority have no license to operate. To end endemic police corruption, control of illegal prostitution was taken out of the hands of the police and placed in the hands of local councils and planning regulators. The council has neither the money nor the personnel to put investigators into brothels to flush out and prosecute illegal operators.


why hasn't your clean cut mentality been put into effect into a place that legalized it?
07-30-2011, 01:30 AM #102
TornadoCreator
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Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
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You know what, f*ck off you arrogant twat, I'm not even going to bother talking to you anymore because you're not prepared to discuss the issue and you clearly think you're talking to a retarded 2 year old. You've lost this debate and you know, I'm actually reporting you for spam and flaming at this point. You're intentionally replying with only 1-2 words knowing your reply doesn't makes sense and is extremely insulting and dismissive of others. You're purposely trying to bait other members including myself and you're clearly not following the spirit of the forum.
07-30-2011, 02:12 AM #103
PhantomRenegade
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Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
You know what, f*ck off you arrogant twat, I'm not even going to bother talking to you anymore because you're not prepared to discuss the issue and you clearly think you're talking to a retarded 2 year old. You've lost this debate and you know, I'm actually reporting you for spam and flaming at this point. You're intentionally replying with only 1-2 words knowing your reply doesn't makes sense and is extremely insulting and dismissive of others. You're purposely trying to bait other members including myself and you're clearly not following the spirit of the forum.


i think you are having technical issues with your web browsers and are not able to see all the quotes i have made with countries that have legalized prostitution and that it has only caused the illegal sectors to grow.

also, i never made any assumptions of your age, you did, also, flame? never did such thing, except you did in your first line in that last reply, i don't think your report will go anywhere LOL.

finally, if you were just going to speak in theory of rights that can be applied to anything and then dismiss any actual facts of what is going on by saying "hurr durr read what i said and bow down because your facts are nothing" then well sorry but "you're clearly not following the spirit of the forum."

ps. let me try using your theory of rights, why can't i buy high end explosives? i mean its perfectly legal to sell a product or service, its perfectly legal to sell the ingredients to make bombs and explosives, so why is it illegal to sell bombs and explosives? sure someone could get killed but i mean then everything should be illegal because you could potentially die doing anything. :dumb:

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07-30-2011, 05:16 AM #104
Booshykins
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Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
cool, you believe that someone who wants to sell sex services should have that right, so prostitution should be legal, now read this.



why hasn't your clean cut mentality been put into effect into a place that legalized it?


Because within every place that has legalized prostitution or every place where it has always been legal always lies a person or party who wants to regulate it and profit from it themselves. If they want to do it anonymously, let them do it anonymously. Doctors could easily distribute prostitution licenses based on the person's status. (Which is preferably: clean of sexually-transmitted diseases, not being forced into it, etc.) That would provide enough anonymity and safety for the prostitute and client.

Everyone's greedy, and that is inevitably why everything is illegal (look at marijuana in the US), and when it isn't illegal it's regulated (cigarettes, prostitution in countries where it's legalized, marriage, etc).

I never said anything about my views being clean-cut. No one's views are clean-cut, that's why they're called views. It's an opinion, and opinion isn't always based upon fact. There are many examples of this, especially morality and religion.

"ps. let me try using your theory of rights, why can't i buy high end explosives? i mean its perfectly legal to sell a product or service, its perfectly legal to sell the ingredients to make bombs and explosives, so why is it illegal to sell bombs and explosives? sure someone could get killed but i mean then everything should be illegal because you could potentially die doing anything."

People who use this logic obviously don't have enough reasoning to support their argument, so they blow another's reasoning out of proportion so that it looks bad.

According to society's views, which is apparently what we have to play with, there's a blatant difference between blindly murdering one or many and selling sexual services to consenting, keyword: consenting, individuals who both know the risks of partaking in such an activity.

How is this different from people making the bombs? They could potentially hurt others, and not just themselves. At least with prostitution, all parties know what's going to happen, and agree to continue on with it even while acknowledging these possibilities.

People who are about to be murdered or killed don't get to sign a waiver. :y:
07-30-2011, 06:29 AM #105
E0000B6FAF25838
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Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
ps. let me try using your theory of rights, why can't i buy high end explosives? i mean its perfectly legal to sell a product or service, its perfectly legal to sell the ingredients to make bombs and explosives, so why is it illegal to sell bombs and explosives? sure someone could get killed but i mean then everything should be illegal because you could potentially die doing anything. :dumb:


You're comparing prostitution, a service where women CHOOSE (those who do choose, the debate is about whether or not prostitution itself should be illegal, not the human-trafficking it causes) to have sex for money, with bombs, which have the potential to easily kill massive amounts of people. A prostitution, if the participants are responsible, won't cause any deaths at all, even if they aren't responsible, the deaths would be limited to those who participated, not random bystanders.

Your logic is flawed. Either that or we need to start stopping potential prostitutes at airports instead of potential bombers, because, apparently, prostitutes aim to kill us all. I think it's the former.

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07-30-2011, 07:09 AM #106
PhantomRenegade
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Originally posted by Koalaa View Post
Because within every place that has legalized prostitution or every place where it has always been legal always lies a person or party who wants to regulate it and profit from it themselves. If they want to do it anonymously, let them do it anonymously. Doctors could easily distribute prostitution licenses based on the person's status. (Which is preferably: clean of sexually-transmitted diseases, not being forced into it, etc.) That would provide enough anonymity and safety for the prostitute and client.

Everyone's greedy, and that is inevitably why everything is illegal (look at marijuana in the US), and when it isn't illegal it's regulated (cigarettes, prostitution in countries where it's legalized, marriage, etc).

I never said anything about my views being clean-cut. No one's views are clean-cut, that's why they're called views. It's an opinion, and opinion isn't always based upon fact. There are many examples of this, especially morality and religion.

"ps. let me try using your theory of rights, why can't i buy high end explosives? i mean its perfectly legal to sell a product or service, its perfectly legal to sell the ingredients to make bombs and explosives, so why is it illegal to sell bombs and explosives? sure someone could get killed but i mean then everything should be illegal because you could potentially die doing anything."

People who use this logic obviously don't have enough reasoning to support their argument, so they blow another's reasoning out of proportion so that it looks bad.

According to society's views, which is apparently what we have to play with, there's a blatant difference between blindly murdering one or many and selling sexual services to consenting, keyword: consenting, individuals who both know the risks of partaking in such an activity.

How is this different from people making the bombs? They could potentially hurt others, and not just themselves. At least with prostitution, all parties know what's going to happen, and agree to continue on with it even while acknowledging these possibilities.

People who are about to be murdered or killed don't get to sign a waiver. :y:


nononono you see if you read my previous post your argument is now irrelevent


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---------- Post added at 03:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:02 AM ----------

Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
You're comparing prostitution, a service where women CHOOSE


no, women don't choose prostitution, they are forced to it in circumstances, women CHOOSE pornography.

Originally posted by another user
Your logic is flawed.


wasn't my logic, it was tornadocreator's, i was showing way of thinking doesn't work with everything, and the response you gave backs why i made that example, and the way he would follow up a reply is like this

"You know what, f*ck off you arrogant twat, I'm not even going to bother talking to you anymore because you're not prepared to discuss the issue and you clearly think you're talking to a retarded 2 year old. You've lost this debate and you know, I'm actually reporting you for spam and flaming at this point. You're intentionally replying with only 1-2 words knowing your reply doesn't makes sense and is extremely insulting and dismissive of others. You're purposely trying to bait other members including myself and you're clearly not following the spirit of the forum."

also my stance on the issue is that i don't have an issue with two consenting individuals who are going to exchange sex for money.
what i know is that making it legal only causes more people to profit off of women forced into their last resort of becoming a sex slave to make ends meet. and making it legal doesn't mean street prostitution will become legal, brothels would become legal, causing prostitutes to become registered, something prostitutes don't want to do because they want anonymity, which leads to the illegal sector increasing. and then the crimes committed against these women forced into street prostitution have no legal justice system behind them when they are raped and assaulted like all the stats i have quoted previously. also prostitution is a major contributor to the spread of aids and hiv's, a clean prostitute could have sex with someone whos infected, and then she has sex with more clients, and it spreads like wild fire.

and prostitution only degrades the character of women in society and makes them look more like objects than people, something i rather not have because i respect women and wouldn't pay a women to USE her.

im sorry but i rather not have it legalized as with countries that have done it before, it only causes illegal sectors to grow, brothels that create huge money for the owners off of the poor women forced into the work, the degrading of women in our society and makes them look like objects, and largely spreads fatal diseases which don't have cures.

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07-30-2011, 08:52 AM #107
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Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
no, women don't choose prostitution

This is a blatent lie.

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07-30-2011, 03:32 PM #108
Booshykins
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Originally posted by PhantomRenegade View Post
nononono you see if you read my previous post your argument is now irrelevent


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---------- Post added at 03:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:02 AM ----------



no, women don't choose prostitution, they are forced to it in circumstances, women CHOOSE pornography.



wasn't my logic, it was tornadocreator's, i was showing way of thinking doesn't work with everything, and the response you gave backs why i made that example, and the way he would follow up a reply is like this

"You know what, f*ck off you arrogant twat, I'm not even going to bother talking to you anymore because you're not prepared to discuss the issue and you clearly think you're talking to a retarded 2 year old. You've lost this debate and you know, I'm actually reporting you for spam and flaming at this point. You're intentionally replying with only 1-2 words knowing your reply doesn't makes sense and is extremely insulting and dismissive of others. You're purposely trying to bait other members including myself and you're clearly not following the spirit of the forum."

also my stance on the issue is that i don't have an issue with two consenting individuals who are going to exchange sex for money.
what i know is that making it legal only causes more people to profit off of women forced into their last resort of becoming a sex slave to make ends meet. and making it legal doesn't mean street prostitution will become legal, brothels would become legal, causing prostitutes to become registered, something prostitutes don't want to do because they want anonymity, which leads to the illegal sector increasing. and then the crimes committed against these women forced into street prostitution have no legal justice system behind them when they are raped and assaulted like all the stats i have quoted previously. also prostitution is a major contributor to the spread of aids and hiv's, a clean prostitute could have sex with someone whos infected, and then she has sex with more clients, and it spreads like wild fire.

and prostitution only degrades the character of women in society and makes them look more like objects than people, something i rather not have because i respect women and wouldn't pay a women to USE her.

im sorry but i rather not have it legalized as with countries that have done it before, it only causes illegal sectors to grow, brothels that create huge money for the owners off of the poor women forced into the work, the degrading of women in our society and makes them look like objects, and largely spreads fatal diseases which don't have cures.


"nononono you see if you read my previous post your argument is now irrelevent"


At least I backed my views up with logic. It took you a while. Winky Winky And even after you did, I still picked your reasoning apart. Hence the reason you resorted to something childish like this. If you're not going to debate, don't come to the debate forum.

As for "profit off of women forced into their last resort of becoming a sex slave to make ends meet"...

First off; there are men prostitutes as well. Second, if you're a sex slave, you don't get paid. :y: There's a fine line between sex slavery and prostitution, and the only one who doesn't seem to get that is you, at the moment.

and prostitution only degrades the character of women in society and makes them look more like objects than people, something i rather not have because i respect women and wouldn't pay a women to USE her.

I respect woman as well, which is why if they want to be prostitutes, they should be allowed to be prostitutes. It's a legitimate living. You're also, once AGAIN, implying that there is no such thing as a male prostitute. You do realize men are raped, beaten, and abused just as much as woman, right? And they're sold in human trafficking as well. Completely ignoring those facts really doesn't make me feel any more obligated to agree with you.

As for your whole "illegal sector" spiel... you do realize that that only happens because the current system in those countries where prostitution is legalized is immensely flawed, right? When prostitutes are stripped of their right to anonymity, THAT'S when they're made prone to abuse. You even said that yourself. And like I've said before, there are many different systems that would more than likely work out better for the prostitute and his or her clients.

I still think that if a doctor could give out prostitution licenses, it would provide a optimal level of anonymity and safety for the prostitute. Of course, that system would require more steps than I'm mentioning, but it's a bare-minimum concept.
07-30-2011, 03:56 PM #109
PhantomRenegade
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Originally posted by Koalaa View Post

"nononono you see if you read my previous post your argument is now irrelevent"


At least I backed my views up with logic. It took you a while. Winky Winky And even after you did, I still picked your reasoning apart. Hence the reason you resorted to something childish like this. If you're not going to debate, don't come to the debate forum.

As for "profit off of women forced into their last resort of becoming a sex slave to make ends meet"...

First off; there are men prostitutes as well. Second, if you're a sex slave, you don't get paid. :y: There's a fine line between sex slavery and prostitution, and the only one who doesn't seem to get that is you, at the moment.

and prostitution only degrades the character of women in society and makes them look more like objects than people, something i rather not have because i respect women and wouldn't pay a women to USE her.

I respect woman as well, which is why if they want to be prostitutes, they should be allowed to be prostitutes. It's a legitimate living. You're also, once AGAIN, implying that there is no such thing as a male prostitute. You do realize men are raped, beaten, and abused just as much as woman, right? And they're sold in human trafficking as well. Completely ignoring those facts really doesn't make me feel any more obligated to agree with you.


your taking my words out of context /facepalm, did i say slave and stop there or did i say slave to make ends meet, seriously i swear when i was writing that i knew one if you were going to cherry pick that line.

also i like when i back up my view with stats, and facts the only thing everyone here is able to do is then quote me out of context and stray the topic elswhere by bringing up a topic that is connected to the issue but not the issue we are talking about (in this case hurr durr you didn't say anything about male prostitutes so your ignorant and lose...)

heres an example of what you are doing if we were talking about weed.
i say my view, you read it and instead of challanging it because i have facts and stats to back up what im saying, you say im ignorant and "lose" because i ONCE AGAIN HURR forgot about to talk about hemp. dun dun dun

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