(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The reason why I'm asking it like this is because they both involve the killing of a human. What are your views on each of them?

Abortions, yes, death penalty not sure.

If you're religious, get your ass over into the God vs Fact thread so we can deal with your out of date point of view. If you're not, you should be ashamed for preaching abstinence. Sex is healthy, natural and simply f*cking awesome. And at this point you're preaching abstinence purely because you know you can't fault my facts. Whether you like it or not every single argument against abortion is flawed.

The only somewhat new "argument" you've thrown into the mix is "That baby has a right to live. He has a chance at life. You can't deprive him of that right."

1) It isn't a baby until childbirth. It's actually a foetus.
2) Sperm and eggs have a chance at life too. Again, I must reiterate, under such flawed logic masturbation should be considered mass genocide.
3) Stop throwing the word "life" around as if it's actually a proponent of your argument. It's not. Flowers are life too by definition but we treat them like ****. Other species of animals too. Heck, we even treat plenty of our own people badly. Life isn't any more than a term we use to describe a particularly complex object that can do certain things(definition: The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death).
4) I don't know about you but I don't consider anything that has not the ability to feel emotions nor pain human. So we can describe the foetus prior to the 24th week as not human. Then you'll go on to use the word "potential", which as pointed out in point #2 is no good of an argument. Obviously it only has what rights we give to it, and under the above arguments, it should be given - prior to the 24th week of pregnancy - no rights.

If you're going to bother replying again stop throwing around almost anecdotal "arguments" and come up with a proper reason that abortion is wrong. /minirant

Lol insulting me on my religious beliefs completely out of context? You're a mod? I do not practice abstinence, but I state it as a method of birth control; which it is. Modern abstinence involves sexual intercourse, but not vaginal penetration. I love sex, I'm married to my dream girl from since I was a teen. You just have to be safe with pills and condoms. If you really think you're going to be the .01%, go get your tubes tied. Simple as that, now you don't have to worry about impregnation.

1) I don't see how this is an argument when I can cite the Unborn Victims of Violence Act; " "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb" " Therefore, this rules abortions as feticide.
2) That is flawed logic. A zygote is different from unfertilized cells. Under that logic, tanning beds are genocide too, as "the skin cells have a chance too."
3) Life. Natural selection at its finest! Humans are the fittest to survive, and then some humans are fitter to survive than others. A fetus has the right to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." An abortion abridges these unalienable rights.
4) As cited earlier, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act states that during any stage of pregnancy, there is a child, a member of the human species, a human... in the uterus.
5) It is endowed these rights. You can't take them away. However, as the world modernizes and evolves, I feel that it may be allowed under certain circumstances; which I stated in my first post.

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i dont support abortions but i support birth control

a) It's common for people to mistake their religions beliefs for their own. That's all I was getting at.
b) I will debate people as I see fit (within the rules and obvious boundaries) whether I am a moderator or not. It won't affect my decision making so there's no need to be concerned about that.
c) Stop telling me to get my tubes tied or practice abstinence when it's entirely irre|evant to this debate i.e. if you win this debate then fair enough, however if I win it then abortion will do just fine.

1) Not only is that irre|evant to the point I made but it's an act created by people in power in a primarily Christian country. As if they wouldn't be biased, whether knowingly or not.
2) I won't lie, I dropped out of secondary/high school before I ever really learned a damn thing about biology. Regardless, a quick Google search has told me that zygotes cannot reproduce. Fine. But neither can foetus'. And then you must go on to mention the word "potential", and I draw you back around to the zygotes again. You can't have it both ways.
3) Who says the foetus has these rights? At one time or another blacks and women didn't have rights, and even now homosexuals have less rights than heterosexuals. It's irre|evant.
4) See points #1 and/or #3.

um i likw babyz & shiz

A zygote is the combination of the egg and sperm. It is the first stage of pregnancy.

The people decide. (well) They vote on a person to represent their views in Government. The Government makes the laws. Currently, they say you can't do abortions. That may change in the future, but right now abortions aren't allowed here. This means the national consenus is against it.

On the religious subject, I'm a baptised Methodist, but I believe more in Christian Diesm. I posted in there awhile ago; everything is just repeated. There's nothing new to debate about there.

So you've refuted none of my points and you've dropped back onto the fact our government(who most consider hopeless -- because they are) consider abortion wrong. Given the members of the US congress right now, as the example, you could also rule the US as a homophobic, scientifically ignorant, Christian nation. Just as at one point you could also rule them as sexist, racist and so on.

Hardly an argument, that.

Further debate is pointless. I stated that I am against it, my government is against it, it is illegal, and unethical. I need say no more. Religion established my country, so to bash us for our religious values is blatantly ignorant.

If you want to rip on America, there's many other threads for that.

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