Post: Death Penalty, UK
07-10-2012, 10:14 AM #1
iChris
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Was having a look at some news articles earlier and some of the things people have been locked up for are repugnant. Especially seeing as how a lot of prisons are full, unable to take new inmates. I reckon for severe or repeated crimes you should receive the death penalty, perhaps then the crime in the UK would reduce; as would the overall number of the population but no one can complain for good over evil.

On a side note, I fucking loath the fact that eastern europeans have pretty much flocked the prison system of the UK. Thousands of them are locked up each day. Also, fuck human rights.
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08-18-2012, 11:44 AM #20
Originally posted by c0dez0r View Post
Even when the evidence is overwhelming? It'd only make matters in most countries better, it'd set an example for those who think prison is a joy ride. However, that's not to say throw the penalty at everyone who commits a crime, there'd of course have to be good reasoning for said action to take place.


Would your opinion change if after a few years new evidence came to light that showed that previously overwhelming evidence to have been misguided or simply falsified? It's happened before. As I said, the risk is too high.

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08-18-2012, 11:49 AM #21
iChris
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Originally posted by Clutch
Would your opinion change if after a few years new evidence came to light that showed that previously overwhelming evidence to have been misguided or simply falsified? It's happened before. As I said, the risk is too high.


That's a good point. But, how often does it actually happen? There haven't been many cases reported to have been re-opened unless they're cold cases.

Here's an example: What if a repeated serial rapist or child molester is caught in the act again, would you say it'd be fair to imprison him/her for another 20+ years and run the risk of them getting out and repeating said offence? I'd say it's fairer to make an example of them to show people that it's not only prison that is a punishment but that the death penalty haunts them as well. I doubt it'd reduce crime by a huge amount but it'd be substantial enough to reduce crime in places like Britain and surrounding areas.

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08-19-2012, 02:02 AM #22
Originally posted by c0dez0r View Post
That's a good point. But, how often does it actually happen? There haven't been many cases reported to have been re-opened unless they're cold cases.

Here's an example: What if a repeated serial rapist or child molester is caught in the act again, would you say it'd be fair to imprison him/her for another 20+ years and run the risk of them getting out and repeating said offence? I'd say it's fairer to make an example of them to show people that it's not only prison that is a punishment but that the death penalty haunts them as well. I doubt it'd reduce crime by a huge amount but it'd be substantial enough to reduce crime in places like Britain and surrounding areas.


1) Even if only one out of every one thousand convictions was wrong, which is an underestimate, the risk is too high. Just imagine yourself being that 'one'. That's an unbearable thought that nobody should ever have to face up to.
2) Making an example out of these people won't work. Most murders and rapes etc aren't planned. They don't think about the potential punishment until it's too late.
3) How can you possibly think rape is worthy of death? Or child molestation? Even if somebody is a repeat offender death is a seriously unfair punishment.
4) Countries that support rehabilitation consistently get lower crime rates. I can't remember where I read that but a quick Google search should yield similar results. Sentencing someone to death is not rehabilitation.
08-21-2012, 08:26 PM #23
Corporal Punishment, that won't ever be coming back, nobody has the right to choose to take away someone's life no matter what kind of scum they are. I detest many people I meet and would love to kill many of them but that would be murder but when the courts get their hands on the "bad" people and are allowed to murder them that's disgusting and when an institution has that much power it's scary. Besides what is the death penalty, it's no more than an eye for an eye and as you all know, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, killing a person is never justified even if they have shown no mercy to others, they should always be given a chance to change.
08-22-2012, 11:10 AM #24
iChris
Little One
Originally posted by Clutch
1) Even if only one out of every one thousand convictions was wrong, which is an underestimate, the risk is too high. Just imagine yourself being that 'one'. That's an unbearable thought that nobody should ever have to face up to.
2) Making an example out of these people won't work. Most murders and rapes etc aren't planned. They don't think about the potential punishment until it's too late.
3) How can you possibly think rape is worthy of death? Or child molestation? Even if somebody is a repeat offender death is a seriously unfair punishment.
4) Countries that support rehabilitation consistently get lower crime rates. I can't remember where I read that but a quick Google search should yield similar results. Sentencing someone to death is not rehabilitation.


The only point I disagree with there is #3, how can you possibly justify "justice" with only locking them up? Say it was your son or daughter or close relative, would you STILL feel so strongly against the death of the offender? Rape or child molestation is horrific, not any less horrific than murder or such crimes, but it's very different and you can't rationally disagree with that.
Repeat offenders are generally just a waste of life, not worthy of air. What's the point in housing someone who evidently doesn't want to be on the outside world? He/she'd rather spend their lives in prison, yet, WE just make their lives easy by giving them what they want. If these people were being put to death rather than put into a holiday camp, perhaps then costs and such-like things would be reduced.

As you can tell I'm pretty adamant about this, not that it'd ever take shape in the UK, not in my lifetime anyway, I do feel it has to be implemented.
08-22-2012, 04:53 PM #25
Originally posted by c0dez0r View Post
The only point I disagree with there is #3, how can you possibly justify "justice" with only locking them up? Say it was your son or daughter or close relative, would you STILL feel so strongly against the death of the offender? Rape or child molestation is horrific, not any less horrific than murder or such crimes, but it's very different and you can't rationally disagree with that.
Repeat offenders are generally just a waste of life, not worthy of air. What's the point in housing someone who evidently doesn't want to be on the outside world? He/she'd rather spend their lives in prison, yet, WE just make their lives easy by giving them what they want. If these people were being put to death rather than put into a holiday camp, perhaps then costs and such-like things would be reduced.

As you can tell I'm pretty adamant about this, not that it'd ever take shape in the UK, not in my lifetime anyway, I do feel it has to be implemented.


Rape and child molestation are not as bad as murder; it's as simple as the former two causing extreme grief and the latter ending you or someone else's life altogether.

As far as your language goes, it's almost medieval. You're putting everybody who commits and/or recommits a crime(s) into the same group, completely irrespective of how unique each person and each situation is. They are not a waste of life and they are not a waste of air. You've no right to tell anybody that any more so than they or I have the right to tell you the same.

Also, I've never been in prison, but I doubt it's a holiday camp. These people most often do want to live in the outside world but are caught up in gangs, debt or any other of a myriad of potential issues.

As I've already said, countries that support rehabilitation always get lower crime rates, whereas those (the United States is a good example) that favour strong punishment and the death penalty are some of the worst in the developed world.
08-22-2012, 05:01 PM #26
Mr Grumpy
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I remember watching a program on tv or video online about this. Some rehab places are a bit too much. Like there was one which was better than most peoples life styles, they had private tennis courts and everything. I agree that they should put rehab places but they shouldn't make it 'welcoming' in such a way that people want to commit crimes just so that they can go stay there and sorta live in a better life style.
08-22-2012, 06:11 PM #27
Bring hanging back. Long overdue.

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Clutch Hunterr
08-23-2012, 01:02 PM #28
iChris
Little One
Originally posted by Clutch
Rape and child molestation are not as bad as murder; it's as simple as the former two causing extreme grief and the latter ending you or someone else's life altogether.

As far as your language goes, it's almost medieval. You're putting everybody who commits and/or recommits a crime(s) into the same group, completely irrespective of how unique each person and each situation is. They are not a waste of life and they are not a waste of air. You've no right to tell anybody that any more so than they or I have the right to tell you the same.

Also, I've never been in prison, but I doubt it's a holiday camp. These people most often do want to live in the outside world but are caught up in gangs, debt or any other of a myriad of potential issues.

As I've already said, countries that support rehabilitation always get lower crime rates, whereas those (the United States is a good example) that favour strong punishment and the death penalty are some of the worst in the developed world.


First off I think you're being incredibly short sighted if you think that rape is less severe than murder. On one hand yes, you've ended somebody's life and I don't think there can be anything worse than that, but rape can be equally as devastating and the victim and their families continue to feel the effects of what happened for the rest of their lives. Add to that the fact that a rapist will, usually, be released at some point in the not so distant future must be harrowing.

I appreciate your point about supporting rehabilitation and I'm sure there are people who use their time in prison as a chance to start over, learn a trade or get qualifications to make the best of their situation when they are released. I'm all for that, don't get me wrong. My issue is with people who repeatedly commit the same crimes and are in and out of prison for most of their lives. Are you telling me they're not wasting their lives? Not to mention wasting taxpayers money. The fact of the matter is there are various options and support systems in place within the prison system and on the outside, but looking at the recidivism rates tells me that people aren't utilising them. I'm sure there are a minority who fall through the cracks but generally if you want to make a change badly enough and the help is there, you will. Instead me and the rest of the taxpayers in this country foot the bill for their choices.

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