Post: American Military; Glorious heroes or ravenous murderers?
04-06-2010, 12:42 PM #1
Paul
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Wikileaks have released a new video of an Apache helicopter in Iraq seemingly murdering several people, including two highly liked You must login or register to view this content. reporters. One of which could maybe have survived if he was not brutally killed whilst being rescued.

The US Military have said that all hostiles were engaged in accordance with the US Rules of Engagement, my question to you is, did you think this was just? The source is You must login or register to view this content.

Video below.

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04-06-2010, 03:50 PM #2
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04-06-2010, 04:18 PM #3
rjive
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I have a few thoughts on this. First thing is this happens to be one of the tragic stories that comes from a war. Many people loose their life as a casualty of war...enemies, solders, and civilians.

As for the soldiers in the helicopter that performed this horrific event... I guess I have just one rhetorical question which I don't think we can answer sitting in our comfortable homes posting on NGU... PASSING judgement on those forces protecting the freedoms of my country; What would you do?

We don't have any direct experience dealing with this type of situation. We don't know how many times woman and children are used in attacks on soldiers. I'm pretty sure all enemies are not wearing t-shirts to the effect detailing who they are and their intentions. Relate this to Call of Duty... Do you stand in the middle of map just spinning in place, firing in the air and alerting enemies where you are? No, you try and take cover, flank, and mount your attack in a stealthy manner.

Does this mean the soldiers are abstained from responsibility? Does this mean the commanding officers are abstained from responsibility? I'm not sure the answer to that. I think the individuals in the military have to make split second judgement calls based on their experience, training and atmosphere. There is no way they'll be able to bat a thousand.

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04-06-2010, 06:44 PM #4
FuzzaMuzza
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That is awful.. I can't believe that this is going on in our world..especially the U.S. Military. Wow...just wow
04-06-2010, 11:00 PM #5
I am not Unamerican, as I live in America, and I support our troops. However, I do not believe that the shooting was right. The man's camera was not mistakable for an RPG. What disgusts me the most is the way they are talking about it afterward. It is like they ENJOYED doing it. It's okay to enjoy your job, but to laugh after killing a dozen people like that, terrorist or no, is just sick.

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04-06-2010, 11:10 PM #6
1337JESUS
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Well you cant say it wasnt mistaken as a rpg cause ur not him. how were they supoes to know that they were inicent.
04-07-2010, 02:04 AM #7
GenHelghast
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we americans are murders well i rather be somewhere else than america it might be the freest country out there but i dont like america
04-07-2010, 11:57 AM #8
bigfishbad
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Originally posted by 1337JESUS View Post
Well you cant say it wasnt mistaken as a rpg cause ur not him. how were they supoes to know that they were inicent.


well when you join the army you get trained for missions like that and they mistaken a camera for a RPG LMAO there is some difference between the two i have seen a real rocket launcher in life and a real camera and i have to say I wouldn't get the two mixed up



and americans wonder why they are hated WORLD WIDE :confused:
04-07-2010, 12:30 PM #9
Como
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Ok guys, this isn't a flame on America thread. You are all being abit too flimsy with your remarks....

Regarding the video, i think it's wrong, and unjustified. I see what you're saying rjive, about making split second decisions and acting according to the rules, but there is also a thing called common sense, none of which was used during this ordeal.

If you read what the gunner and pilot are saying to each other during the video, it proves to me that this was in their own intrest's, and not in the intrest's of their country, nor people's freedom.
They make out to their base that these 8 people are carrying AK-47's and RPG's, and even at one point say they are coming under fire! Clearly all lies from the video. The gunner know's there are no ground troops in the area, as stated, therefore knowing he was going to get the go ahead to open fire on these 'supposed terrorists.' The enjoyment the gunner seems to get from shooting each person, is absolutely sickening, and NOT in line with the code of conduct the Army likes to enforce.

And rjive, although you state they are fighting for your country, and freedom for all of us, that is not the way to go about getting it, is it?! For me to know i am being represented by someone of this lunacy and clear lust for war, is scary, and not a thought that bodes well with me at all.

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04-07-2010, 01:44 PM #10
Originally posted by rjive View Post


As for the soldiers in the helicopter that performed this horrific event... I guess I have just one rhetorical question which I don't think we can answer sitting in our comfortable homes posting on NGU... PASSING judgement on those forces protecting the freedoms of my country; What would you do?


Yeah you right, but your trying to tell me that their reactions to performing these actions were not weird. That they seemed to become fulfilled with joy whilst killing, giving each other compliments? "Nice" They didnt give a shit what they were doing, they just wanted to "play" with their toys.

The US army go to far to seem victorious and right. They are arrogant. My previous point saying:" go to far.."

You cannot argue with this.. just look back to Vietnam with Agent Orange and Napalm, they went to those extents to kill. Even your own public were opposed to this! Even though US army persisted to use these tactics, to pursue in finding Ho Chi Minh trials etc.

Also Agent Orange and Napalm is still having its effects.. and US dont give a shit.

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