Post: American Military; Glorious heroes or ravenous murderers?
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04-06-2010, 12:42 PM
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Paul
Edwards
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Wikileaks have released a new video of an Apache helicopter in Iraq seemingly murdering several people, including two highly liked You must login or register to view this content. reporters. One of which could maybe have survived if he was not brutally killed whilst being rescued.
The US Military have said that all hostiles were engaged in accordance with the US Rules of Engagement, my question to you is, did you think this was just? The source is You must login or register to view this content.
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Wikileaks have released a new video of an Apache helicopter in Iraq seemingly murdering several people, including two highly liked You must login or register to view this content. reporters. One of which could maybe have survived if he was not brutally killed whilst being rescued.
The US Military have said that all hostiles were engaged in accordance with the US Rules of Engagement, my question to you is, did you think this was just? The source is You must login or register to view this content.
Video below.
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04-23-2010, 09:20 PM
#20
MackUndead
Keeper
maybe some people didn't know this, but people die in war. Shocking, isn't it?
04-25-2010, 04:42 AM
#21
Godfather057
Bounty hunter
yea an angery mop in the middle of night running around with guns and rps
in a war zone
what do you expect to happen
get behind our military or get infront
in a war zone
what do you expect to happen
get behind our military or get infront
04-25-2010, 05:28 PM
#22
xSiiK---AT0MIK
ಠ_ಠ
war makes no hero's or villans war is war... its a job their payed to do
for example mr. abudla is a hero for having sweets in his corner shop
mr. abudla is a villan for closeing shop early on a friday
ofcourse there is heroic and evil acts but that doesent just happen in war
heroic
exaple, a small child is sitting on a train track with a train going 50 mph towars the child.. the child cant move, a man comes saves the child from the train... heroic?
evil
a small child is sitting on a train track with a train going 50 mph towars the child.. the child cant move, the man that put him there is watching the child go squish under the train
for example mr. abudla is a hero for having sweets in his corner shop
mr. abudla is a villan for closeing shop early on a friday
ofcourse there is heroic and evil acts but that doesent just happen in war
heroic
exaple, a small child is sitting on a train track with a train going 50 mph towars the child.. the child cant move, a man comes saves the child from the train... heroic?
evil
a small child is sitting on a train track with a train going 50 mph towars the child.. the child cant move, the man that put him there is watching the child go squish under the train
04-25-2010, 10:41 PM
#23
schaffinosx
To and fro the island.
I think the issue with our American military stems from the same thing as many issues currently taking place in America: Values.
It is as Jimmy Carter said during his presidency: "People are no longer being defined by what one does... but by what one owns."
While this has nothing to do with ownership, I think the quote indirectly relates to our current issues with our military. No longer are our armies fighting for the benefit of our country, but to enter the battlefield and to get an experience.
Past generations of soldiers in America never seemed to do things of this manner, as it seemed the American military always came through and were the heroes when entire economies and societies were on the very verge of destruction.
So long as the values of our soldiers are without change, things like this will occur, despite whether it is right or wrong.
It is terrible, but it is the truth.
It is as Jimmy Carter said during his presidency: "People are no longer being defined by what one does... but by what one owns."
While this has nothing to do with ownership, I think the quote indirectly relates to our current issues with our military. No longer are our armies fighting for the benefit of our country, but to enter the battlefield and to get an experience.
Past generations of soldiers in America never seemed to do things of this manner, as it seemed the American military always came through and were the heroes when entire economies and societies were on the very verge of destruction.
So long as the values of our soldiers are without change, things like this will occur, despite whether it is right or wrong.
It is terrible, but it is the truth.
04-25-2010, 11:07 PM
#24
HSx9
test
Originally posted by SchaffinOSX
I think the issue with our American military stems from the same thing as many issues currently taking place in America: Values.
It is as Jimmy Carter said during his presidency: "People are no longer being defined by what one does... but by what one owns."
While this has nothing to do with ownership, I think the quote indirectly relates to our current issues with our military. No longer are our armies fighting for the benefit of our country, but to enter the battlefield and to get an experience.
Past generations of soldiers in America never seemed to do things of this manner, as it seemed the American military always came through and were the heroes when entire economies and societies were on the very verge of destruction.
So long as the values of our soldiers are without change, things like this will occur, despite whether it is right or wrong.
It is terrible, but it is the truth.
It is as Jimmy Carter said during his presidency: "People are no longer being defined by what one does... but by what one owns."
While this has nothing to do with ownership, I think the quote indirectly relates to our current issues with our military. No longer are our armies fighting for the benefit of our country, but to enter the battlefield and to get an experience.
Past generations of soldiers in America never seemed to do things of this manner, as it seemed the American military always came through and were the heroes when entire economies and societies were on the very verge of destruction.
So long as the values of our soldiers are without change, things like this will occur, despite whether it is right or wrong.
It is terrible, but it is the truth.
We can actually blame the Government/ Army for that one, I believe it's something to do with a Government agenda.
If you watch TV, you will sometimes see ARMY Commercials, and all they do is show you high tech things such as UAVs, Predator Planes, Space shit, etc... Basically I think this is making the obvious American think "hey this looks cool". America shouldn't advertise the ARMY because it cost money to advertise, and we don't pay taxes for them to put up commercials for their own benefit. Another thing is, The Army and the Media don't like to show aftermaths of the war, making an illusion that war is fun or safe and can be an exciting place to be, which it's obviously not.
04-25-2010, 11:49 PM
#25
RICHIE209
March 6, 2011.
Originally posted by HSx9
We can actually blame the Government/ Army for that one, I believe it's something to do with a Government agenda.
If you watch TV, you will sometimes see ARMY Commercials, and all they do is show you high tech things such as UAVs, Predator Planes, Space shit, etc... Basically I think this is making the obvious American think "hey this looks cool". America shouldn't advertise the ARMY because it cost money to advertise, and we don't pay taxes for them to put up commercials for their own benefit. Another thing is, The Army and the Media don't like to show aftermaths of the war, making an illusion that war is fun or safe and can be an exciting place to be, which it's obviously not.
If you watch TV, you will sometimes see ARMY Commercials, and all they do is show you high tech things such as UAVs, Predator Planes, Space shit, etc... Basically I think this is making the obvious American think "hey this looks cool". America shouldn't advertise the ARMY because it cost money to advertise, and we don't pay taxes for them to put up commercials for their own benefit. Another thing is, The Army and the Media don't like to show aftermaths of the war, making an illusion that war is fun or safe and can be an exciting place to be, which it's obviously not.
Well the Army is still an organization that is always looking for more people. Like any gym commercial you'll see, they advertise the goods to make you want to sign up.
04-26-2010, 12:57 AM
#26
HSx9
test
Originally posted by RICHIE209
Well the Army is still an organization that is always looking for more people. Like any gym commercial you'll see, they advertise the goods to make you want to sign up.
I don't understand how the GYM and the ARMy are comparable.
If I was an owner of a GYM, I would make an advertisement to get more people. PEOPLE= MONEY. A costumer pays to exercise in your GYM so you eventually make a profit.
However, in the ARMY, you don't pay anything, you participate, and that's what it should be. Nowadays we got commercials about how cool the army is with its advanced technology. First of all, they are using money from our taxes, which is not why we pay taxes in the first place. Second of all, advertisements are for you to buy a product, in the ARMYs case, it's to influence you to JOIN the ARMY by showing you cool things you can use while you're in it (which you wont even use).
For the ARMY, if you are going to make a commercial to have new recruits, why would you lie in a commercial? Obvious scam from our government, which manipulates people to join for stupid reasons.
04-26-2010, 01:09 AM
#27
Dr. F33LG00D
Premium Link Hunter 
Originally posted by rjive
I have a few thoughts on this. First thing is this happens to be one of the tragic stories that comes from a war. Many people loose their life as a casualty of war...enemies, solders, and civilians.
As for the soldiers in the helicopter that performed this horrific event... I guess I have just one rhetorical question which I don't think we can answer sitting in our comfortable homes posting on NGU... PASSING judgement on those forces protecting the freedoms of my country; What would you do?
We don't have any direct experience dealing with this type of situation. We don't know how many times woman and children are used in attacks on soldiers. I'm pretty sure all enemies are not wearing t-shirts to the effect detailing who they are and their intentions. Relate this to Call of Duty... Do you stand in the middle of map just spinning in place, firing in the air and alerting enemies where you are? No, you try and take cover, flank, and mount your attack in a stealthy manner.
Does this mean the soldiers are abstained from responsibility? Does this mean the commanding officers are abstained from responsibility? I'm not sure the answer to that. I think the individuals in the military have to make split second judgement calls based on their experience, training and atmosphere. There is no way they'll be able to bat a thousand.
As for the soldiers in the helicopter that performed this horrific event... I guess I have just one rhetorical question which I don't think we can answer sitting in our comfortable homes posting on NGU... PASSING judgement on those forces protecting the freedoms of my country; What would you do?
We don't have any direct experience dealing with this type of situation. We don't know how many times woman and children are used in attacks on soldiers. I'm pretty sure all enemies are not wearing t-shirts to the effect detailing who they are and their intentions. Relate this to Call of Duty... Do you stand in the middle of map just spinning in place, firing in the air and alerting enemies where you are? No, you try and take cover, flank, and mount your attack in a stealthy manner.
Does this mean the soldiers are abstained from responsibility? Does this mean the commanding officers are abstained from responsibility? I'm not sure the answer to that. I think the individuals in the military have to make split second judgement calls based on their experience, training and atmosphere. There is no way they'll be able to bat a thousand.
I would have to completey agree with you, if they felt threatend they did the right thing, I know if I saw milita with RPG's and AK-47's taking cover checking the helicopter out, I would have done the same.
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