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Coastin and turning heavily side to side and you'll see about 1-3 kmh difference if speed is somewhere 50-80kmh.

Exactly, 40/ lock wasn't for this testing purpose, i have now played with several cars and inserting real-life spec locks, different styles, and surprise surprise cars just handles way better than weak locks what majority are using.

Maybe that 5 to 60 was PD's way to play safe with those wannabe tuners, no welded and whining how bad physics are, cars are just going straight.. Lol.

Precisely. It takes serious effort to get the diff to unlock coasting, and in both cases 60/40/40 and 60/60/60 the INT is the same so coasting lock is the same.



Some dont realise how a weak lock setting is causing them snap oversteer, there is a hint in the tuning menu "sudden changes in performance"



That actually makes sense

Hi All,

A smidgen of LSD testing:

I did the "grass wheel vs track wheel" test I mentioned above. Tsukuba (grip reduction real) back straight, S13 that I happened to be using, 247 BHP/30.6 kgfm/1091 kg. standard tranny. TCS and ABS off. CS tyres.

I only had time to look at the GT6 logger, haven't done motec yet.

Method: go onto the outside rumble strips at the start of the back straight, 25 mph 2nd gear, drive onto the grass then squeeze throttle down in about 1sec and hold. Left wheels are on grass, right on the track (a little corrective steering will be needed to keep the car on the desired line). Complete lap, go to data logger and look at rear wheel speeds.

DIFF (IT/AC/DC)

5/5/5

Grass wheel(GW) quickly sped up a LOT compared to the road wheel (RW). At top of 2nd gear I had GW 93 mph, RW 49 mph and car speed 46 mph.

60/5/5

GW and RW identical through whole of 2nd gear. At top of 2nd gear I had GW 67, RW 67, car speed 49. The road wheel even went a little bit orange/red at the end (GW didn't, which makes sense as less friction from grass = less heat). As far as I can see this diff is locked. This agrees with SiNiST3Rs work above. Maybe it would be possible to overcome this initial torque with a more powerful engine? We don't know what the "60" setting means but my gut feeling is something like a percentage of the car's torque or an arbitrary number, not a proper unit like kgf.m/Nm/lbf.ft. If it does scale with the car power than I'm thinking along the lines of it always being locked.

5/60/5

Very similar to above, GW and RW identical through the whole gear. For some reason this seemed harder to hold in a straight line as I pushed the throttle. Might have just been driver error, at first I thought it was a transition effect from the 5 IT to 60 Accel, but the GW and RW were identical speeds the whole way through. Throttle application was perhaps fast enough, and the accel sensitivity so great, that the Accel very quickly came into play.

If i get time I intend to repeat the test, "bogging" the engine in 5th gear from idle with full throttle (not a great idea in real life unless you want a bent crankshaft lol). This should apply a much lower torque to the rear wheels and perhaps allow finer detail to be seen.

Cheers,

Bread

@bread82, 60/5/5 or 5/60/5 aren't locked, really stiff (65%) indeed, maybe with that 5 th gear test will show some difference. Should you test CH and SS too, to get some rotation difference shown too.
40/60/xx, 50/50/xx and 60/40/xx might be good to test too.

Well as usual with a certain group, all talk no action.... First chump meat wouldn't show up to meet me online. No surprise, but I was expecting some test data from them to show up, still nothing.... As usual, when they get called out put on the spot all the excuses come out. Ohh no time to test for blah blah blah BS, then try and let the topic dye out lol. So Ive again posted some proof of something, GTP denies it, but doesn't pony up the proof... Make a Note of this post as Ill refer to it the next time some Chump Meat from GTP come over talking stupidity about I've never proven them wrong... This is just another one of those times.... Caster, Camber Gain, Spring Rates, Leverage Factor, Total Toe & fucking Camber... The problem is they will never admit to being wrong about anything. So Misses Killerjimbag PLEASE show me your proof that 60/60/60 is going to be better at DAYTONA in a NASCAR than 60/40/40 when the car driving on that track simply wont unlock the diff in either set up, surely a week is long enough to do 5 min of testing........ Lotta smack talking over there in those 2 topics, but suddenly they ain't saying shit..... Ohh you must think 60/60/60 = 60/40/40 now but don't want to actually say it, THOUGHT SO! Another example is Motor City Hammi using Camber in his tunes lately ROFLMFAO

Sometimes changes take their time, in these changes there is sadly one common approach, taking things separately, that's not the way how things can be solved in car tuning.
Saying at camber is broken, caster is broken, LSD works how it works etc. Camber isn't giving benefits on cornering, yes that is true if you try to drive with open differential, or really light lock then camber isn't helping a lot, 'coz you will lose traction because of that lousy lock, if camber tests were done even somehow wheels locking differential answers were different (like putting some 1,5-way 60-40% lock, ie. 10/50/30).
IE. My tune of VW Beetle 1200 '66 uses high lock, and it allows slamming gas down much earlier than open or light lock, camber supports cornering and Comfort Mediums are gripping pretty well, same goes on several my other cars, some of them are on public tunes at GTP.

It will take time to people tests and see how much quicker acceleration out from corners they'll achieve when using proper lock and camber, there is still some leftovers visible from "parachute LSD's" and 0.0 Camber tuning, even that "suspension is backwards" rumor/belief will change opinions after trying better lock and not trying to be a race driver with open differential.

Easy ABC principals for RWD LSD tuning:
A) Search highest Initial value what keeps car steerability on Apex and thru cornering, coasting light chicans(flying thru with mild steering). = No Understeer or Oversteer. (testing_value/5/5 during this)
B) Search highest Acceleration value what allows you push most out during accelerations out from corner, and also in corner. (tested_A_initial/testing_value/5 during this)
C) Search highest Declaration value what keeps rear planted during corner entry and inside corner, also be sure at test that value to be working on highspeed corners when throttle is sailing between accel/coasting/decel. (tested_A_initial/tested_B_Acceleration/testing_value during this)

Adter you have high Init founded, mostly that will be between 5-20%, exceptions can be found, but mostly there, rule of thumb, higher with higher power and wider wheel rail. Then put some approx 60% lock for acceleration and 40% declaration, so ie if car handles well with 10% Initial then put 50% accel and 30% to decel (totals that 60-40% lock with 10% preload) and start searching balance of that lock, should it be higher decel to avoid huge locking changes on wheels or how it overall handles to understand what you need (or handle) more or less.

Yeah change does take time.

What I see is this, somebody outside the FiTT crew posted some tuning info that put a few FiTT tuners tunes in question (not directly) so a fitt tuner chimes in with Bullshit to discredit that which puts his tuning in question.

The demand for proof is made by the fitt guys for the theory that puts there tuning in question.... There is proof for the theory, and so the fitt tuner went and did his own feel test and according to their expert level tuning ability has claimed to feel substantial differences and claimed he would provide test data to prove it.

The problem is GTP FiTT test are all bogus bullshit. We never see any real data just them typing some bullshit in like, did test was 0.500 faster with no real data to support them. Well in this case dipshit killerjimbag opened his fucking mouth too quick, he didn't realize at the time I was posting video data from data logger with wheel speeds displayed, in order for him to contest this he needs more than the usual GTP bullshit, he needs to bring some Data Logger data to the table something the fit crew have no clue how to do. He probably has done mad testing trying to get a difference shown in logger but failing because his stupid ass is wrong.

Instead of coming back to the thread to say OdeFiNN theory is right he's bullshitting saying he hasn't had time to run any test, blah blah blah Bullshit. He is wrong and knows it, now the topic is avoided completely so the thread gets buried off the main page, out of site out of mind

TYPICAL FITT tactics....

Haha the tranny thread at GTP lol I proved I could beat ANY flipped tranny tune using the exact same overall gearing and that thread is buried. I gave some SERIOUS tranny info in that thread but it puts the flipped tranny tunes in check, and they can't have that getting too well known lol

FiTT looks for the Easy Stupid way to tune and so they think everything is broken when its not as simple as they want it to be. The fact of the matter is tuning is not easy or for the stupid. It takes intelligence understanding knowledge and skill, not just the ability to run their mouths. The FiTT TWiTTS all pretty much follow motor city morons tuning guide and that shit is ass backwards retarded making him look like pure bullshit. That shit will make any real tuner laugh out loud for real, not lol abbreviation. Sure everything in GT6 is broken if you follow that retarded bullshit lol

If that LSD thread is going to be buried that would be a big loss for whole GT6 community, people need to know how they can use settings of game.

GTP has link kinda directly to Kaz, why they don't ask from there what different values indicates on settings?

If you don't bump the thread, Killerjimbag will just move on like the thread never happened... It is a shame but that's just the way its been at GTP check this thread out...

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As if you couldn't already guess, I'm SiNS3V3N the thread originally 8 pages long the Mods at GTP deleted PAGES of post to clean it up, and they let the thread just die because it honestly exposes a few of them as being a bunch of talk...

I display the ability to use simple math (simple math in complicated formulas) to get the gears however I like. It shows they can't keep up with my level, its almost like after anything I post they go reading other web sites to try and confirm the validity of the stuff I've posted like WTF lololol they shouldn't have to go to other sources to confirm, they should themselves know this stuff, as they present themselves as being knowledgeable real world/Gaming tuners... Its becomes evident when games of semantics get played they don't understand what they just read off a web site and they say dumbshit like "its not power multiplied, its power magnified" because the web site they just came from used the word "magnified instead of "multiplied" and they don't really understand what they are arguing or they would realize magnified and multiplied in this case basically mean the same damn thing...... EXPOSED!

I even made a Shift Tuner in a Gear Tuning Calc I made.. Different technique than the one I talk about in the thread as this method was easier to put into a cal with the data we have available in GT6 and it works very well, the gear charts more on point than the In Game Gear Tuning, allowing tuners too tune by speed with all the info a tuner needs for gear tuning.........

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Even the last big camber thread where GP_CargoRatt posted a UNBIASED TEST he did that opened his eyes to Camber. I had been bitching about GTP showing whats called Confirmation Bias CSLARC That C U N T suffers from this highly. GT_CargoRatt had his Daughter input setting for him as he drove test laps, so he didn't know what camber the cars had at any given time. and showed that camber improved his time... He posted his test and a member asked REPEATEDLY if anybody else would do some blind testing and he gets completely IGNORED while JohnnyPenis brushes off GTP_CargoRatts test as if its the same as the rest of the test NOT DONE BLIND showing OBVIOUS Confirmation Bias.....

The great camber test CLEARLY prove anything above zero and below -2.5 showed better performance and times vs zero camber

GTP Test Data properly Interpreted
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GTP has PROVEN Camber works, provided CLEAR data showing easy benefits on any tune up to around -2.5deg. This with no additional tuning, no tweaking the LSD for using camber, or even tuning the suspension to the camber, simply adding camber improved lap times......

Looking at the Chart its CLEAR Camber improved times up to -2.5 deg camber where its level with zero camber. Remember this is with Zero additional tuning to compliment the camber.....

HOWEVER that shit is buried and GTP still run off on The Cambers Broken tip, even though GTP has proven Camber works, they don't accept it for the most part. This is the FiTT crew because that debate and those test have opened many peeps eyes to using camber and simply not listening to the FiTT group of idiot false tuners..


As far as Kaz having a connection with GTP, it might of been going in that direction at one point, but the conduct of the board KILLED that shit, and Kaz started his relationships elsewhere, the Ask Kaz session took place OUTSIDE GTP as Kaz decided GTP was NOT the place for it.....

lol not really, they like to think so but not really. Kaz did get a great sound bite from Jordan for the Kaz documentary lmfao Jordan didn't even realize it lol. Kaz uses Jordan as he does any Media Outlet at his disposal, but less so than Jordan would like, Jordan has to bump into PoDi peeps at events to talk with them lol just like anybody else. It seemed at one point Kaz would grow a direct relationship with GTPlanet but that fell though and nothing ever came of it. Kaz decided to use a different forum & GTPlanet buried the "Ask Kaz" Section because it became clear he was not going to use GTP at all. Instead GTP relationship with folks from PD is the same as anybody following certain peeps from PD on twiter.

Jordon only regrets he named the site "GT"Planet and not something like "RGPlanet" as in "Racing Gaming Planet" or something like that so he wouldn't be so tied into Gran Turismo specifically...