Post: So You Think The PS3 is Hacked??....Think Again!
01-27-2010, 03:31 PM #1
Afrojack
Puffin da Erb
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So the PS3 is hacked ? Well that's nothing more than an urban legend.

Altough it's nice to capture all these HV calls and stuff from a plain (not encrypted) lv1 binary, but this will never lead to a hacked PS3.

Let's have a look. The major security architecture on the PS3 is called the "Secure Processing Vault" and is the most important thing regarding "hacking" the PS3.

There is NO WAY for the PPU or even the HV to gain access to the SPU, which is an application running inside of an isolated SPU.

Well you can kick out the isolated SPU, like geohot mentioned, but this gives you nothing, as ALL the encryption and execution of applications (HDD encryption, app encryption, decryption, executing, signature checking, root key extraction) happens inside the isolated SPU.

To run homebrew on the PS3 you would have to reassemble the whole functionality from the SPU inside a binary running on the PPU. For this you will need the root key.

The root key is stored in hardware (not even close to the things on the iPhone). The root key cannot be extracted by any software or hardware means and is essential to ALL encryption/decryption, executing and checking routines.

The only way to get the root key is inside of an isolated SPU, as it is kick-starting the hardware encryption facility. There is no other way to do that !

Let's just assume that geohot or some other guys are able to break into the local store of the isolated SPE. There they will just find some encrypted binaries.

The key for decryption is encrypted by the root key ! You won't get anywhere without the root key.

Let's assume that someone managed to do all those stuff from the isolated SPU on the PPU and creates a CFW.

There is still a secure booting environment. The first module loaded/bootet is integrity checked by the hardware crypto facility utilizing the root key. So you have also to address this booting stuff. Again, no root key, no booting.

So there's always runtime patching you might ask ? Not possible on the PS3 because the hardware crypto facility is able to check the signatures whenever it wants to.

And which part is responsible for this ? Exactly, the isolated SPU. So if you kick out the isolated SPU the system will not boot/run anymore.

The PS3 is neither an PSP nor an iPhone. It's the most secure system architecture of this time !

So it will be a very very very very long time until it is actually hacked!
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01-28-2010, 01:05 AM #11
Originally posted by lilplaya202 View Post
lol im not even going to lie i had no idea about half the stuff you said


Same here lol
01-28-2010, 06:28 AM #12
orange
Haxor!
lol well its proved to be hacked, he released the download. its not a FULL hack but thats now inevitable and will come in the next few weeks
01-28-2010, 09:03 AM #13
hunter12
Retired, done with gaming
Originally posted by orange View Post
lol well its proved to be hacked, he released the download. its not a FULL hack but thats now inevitable and will come in the next few weeks

Are you kidding me?
that is the full hack. theres just no homebrew or tool becuase you have to find a use of the hack first!
01-28-2010, 09:07 AM #14
orange
Haxor!
Originally posted by hunter12 View Post
Are you kidding me?
that is the full hack. theres just no homebrew or tool becuase you have to find a use of the hack first!


lol its not the full hack. the system isnt completely hacked yet, this is just the first step to opening it.. but its a very massive step and its pretty much paved the way to make the full hack. the devs know what to do now, they have everything they need and itll be done very soon
01-28-2010, 09:15 AM #15
hunter12
Retired, done with gaming
Originally posted by orange View Post
lol its not the full hack. the system isnt completely hacked yet, this is just the first step to opening it.. but its a very massive step and its pretty much paved the way to make the full hack. the devs know what to do now, they have everything they need and itll be done very soon

hes not trying to hack the whole system he said it him self
its more of a glitch kinda hard to explain but he has total control of the other os system therfore you dont need to unlock the whole system to do stuff like run a homebrew "unsigned code" or i hope it never happens, piracy sony will beable to patch that fast cause if you hacked the bd it can patch itself back on a system update. but were did you see "the devs no what to do and they have everything?
01-28-2010, 02:19 PM #16
Actually has been hacked by he same guy who made Blackra1n
01-28-2010, 05:00 PM #17
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
Hahah, "unhackable". Everything can be hacked, including the US Military's systems. Thats obviously far more advanced than a game console ffs. All Sony have done is found a clever way to link things together, and if you can link them, you can unlink them. It's only a matter of time. The PS3 has been out for a few years.
01-28-2010, 05:47 PM #18
Behemoth
Save Point
Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx View Post
Everything can be hacked, including the US Military's systems. Thats obviously far more advanced than a game console ffs.


Funny sidenote: The pentagon's database is one of the most frequntly hacked databases.
01-28-2010, 05:49 PM #19
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
Originally posted by Behemoth View Post
Funny sidenote: The pentagon's database is one of the most frequntly hacked databases.


Exactly, because it is the test for hackers if you know what I mean. If you can hack that which will have the best security defenses you will be able to hack pretty much anything.

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