Post: So You Think The PS3 is Hacked??....Think Again!
01-27-2010, 03:31 PM #1
Afrojack
Puffin da Erb
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So the PS3 is hacked ? Well that's nothing more than an urban legend.

Altough it's nice to capture all these HV calls and stuff from a plain (not encrypted) lv1 binary, but this will never lead to a hacked PS3.

Let's have a look. The major security architecture on the PS3 is called the "Secure Processing Vault" and is the most important thing regarding "hacking" the PS3.

There is NO WAY for the PPU or even the HV to gain access to the SPU, which is an application running inside of an isolated SPU.

Well you can kick out the isolated SPU, like geohot mentioned, but this gives you nothing, as ALL the encryption and execution of applications (HDD encryption, app encryption, decryption, executing, signature checking, root key extraction) happens inside the isolated SPU.

To run homebrew on the PS3 you would have to reassemble the whole functionality from the SPU inside a binary running on the PPU. For this you will need the root key.

The root key is stored in hardware (not even close to the things on the iPhone). The root key cannot be extracted by any software or hardware means and is essential to ALL encryption/decryption, executing and checking routines.

The only way to get the root key is inside of an isolated SPU, as it is kick-starting the hardware encryption facility. There is no other way to do that !

Let's just assume that geohot or some other guys are able to break into the local store of the isolated SPE. There they will just find some encrypted binaries.

The key for decryption is encrypted by the root key ! You won't get anywhere without the root key.

Let's assume that someone managed to do all those stuff from the isolated SPU on the PPU and creates a CFW.

There is still a secure booting environment. The first module loaded/bootet is integrity checked by the hardware crypto facility utilizing the root key. So you have also to address this booting stuff. Again, no root key, no booting.

So there's always runtime patching you might ask ? Not possible on the PS3 because the hardware crypto facility is able to check the signatures whenever it wants to.

And which part is responsible for this ? Exactly, the isolated SPU. So if you kick out the isolated SPU the system will not boot/run anymore.

The PS3 is neither an PSP nor an iPhone. It's the most secure system architecture of this time !

So it will be a very very very very long time until it is actually hacked!
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01-28-2010, 05:54 PM #20
Behemoth
Save Point
Which means, the ps3 will be hacked... thats all there is to it.
I'ts just a matter of when. However, Sony is bound to come up with an endless amount of new security measures to prvent piracy... then it'll be another unending war like with the psp. games will only be able to run on FW-XX.X at which point CFW XX.X will be released and so on.
It's inevitable.
01-28-2010, 06:38 PM #21
Killakk
Former Staff
Geohot hasn't prooved anything he just said he hacked it and showed a picture of an opened ps3 lmao he did'nt show his exploit.
01-29-2010, 06:01 AM #22
jerry_ferry
I am error
actually having read/write access to the hypervisor is a hack. so he did hack it?
01-29-2010, 10:50 AM #23
hod
Keeper
Stop copying crap from other sites
adihash basically dosent know what he is talking about he just likes to think he does.
Have any of you even visited GeoHots blog?

Do any of you know the definition of a hack?
Belive me its hacked just need devs or geohot to get some serious reversing done .
if u can run unsigned code on the ps3 its hacked.
just give the man some praise
01-30-2010, 02:57 PM #24
orange12
Space Ninja
Originally posted by another user
Needless to say most of you know about the supposed "PS3 hack" by GeoHot.



So the PS3 is hacked ? Well that's nothing more than an urban legend.

Altough it's nice to capture all these HV calls and stuff from a plain (not encrypted) lv1 binary, but this will never lead to a hacked PS3.

Let's have a look. The major security architecture on the PS3 is called the "Secure Processing Vault" and is the most important thing regarding "hacking" the PS3.

There is NO WAY for the PPU or even the HV to gain access to the SPU, which is an application running inside of an isolated SPU.

Well you can kick out the isolated SPU, like geohot mentioned, but this gives you nothing, as ALL the encryption and execution of applications (HDD encryption, app encryption, decryption, executing, signature checking, root key extraction) happens inside the isolated SPU.

To run homebrew on the PS3 you would have to reassemble the whole functionality from the SPU inside a binary running on the PPU. For this you will need the root key.

The root key is stored in hardware (not even close to the things on the iPhone). The root key cannot be extracted by any software or hardware means and is essential to ALL encryption/decryption, executing and checking routines.

The only way to get the root key is inside of an isolated SPU, as it is kick-starting the hardware encryption facility. There is no other way to do that !

Let's just assume that geohot or some other guys are able to break into the local store of the isolated SPE. There they will just find some encrypted binaries.

The key for decryption is encrypted by the root key ! You won't get anywhere without the root key.

Let's assume that someone managed to do all those stuff from the isolated SPU on the PPU and creates a CFW.

There is still a secure booting environment. The first module loaded/bootet is integrity checked by the hardware crypto facility utilizing the root key. So you have also to address this booting stuff. Again, no root key, no booting.

So there's always runtime patching you might ask ? Not possible on the PS3 because the hardware crypto facility is able to check the signatures whenever it wants to.

And which part is responsible for this ? Exactly, the isolated SPU. So if you kick out the isolated SPU the system will not boot/run anymore.

The PS3 is neither an PSP nor an iPhone. It's the most secure system architecture of this time !

So it will be a very very very very long time until it is actually hacked!
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i duno what rumours uve herd, but the fact is, the guy(i dunno who) has decrypted the codes and has found the code that sony uses for the firmware

its very hard to explain coz i dont no the correct words but i can tell u tho . . .

u no like the psp got hacked ?

the original hakers worked for sony and robbed the decrypting codes :P

then sony super locked the codes away in side many many codes so its very hard to rob unless sombody did some mission imposible shit on there buildings LOL

but the ps3 is like the psp, just 10x harder to crack

the guy decrypted the code since the ps3 came out, 5 years back :O

if u think it will take very loing time for it to be fully hacked well thats your opinion

but i think haks will come out by end of next year deof, end of this year if were lucky :P

but i doubt the guy will release it . . . .

dont bother flaming me as i think your like those reetards who thbought there was a MP4 on cod5 :S

and i kept telling them there wouldnt . . . . Smile

thanks orange 12 Happy
01-31-2010, 05:06 AM #25
GetDeleted -_-
- Former TACOTIME77 -
Originally posted by Croke
ye it works ill give geohot tht! ....... But this ain't gonna lead to a 'Hello World' on the ps3 anytime soon....... Because this exploit only unlocks 1 of the ps‎3s many security features..... I would go as far as saying tht the ps3 is nearly unhackable! Sure you will prob be able to exploit some of its security systems but to unlock the ps3s full potential and use homebrew will take a very very long time


Nothing is "unhackable".
02-01-2010, 06:21 AM #26
edd200sx
Do a barrel roll!
Originally posted by genetik View Post
Actually has been hacked by he same guy who made Blackra1n


you dont say...
02-01-2010, 02:41 PM #27
Originally posted by 747187
Nice copy & paste from The_Android - a member over @ pspisog



fail indeed...people using others posts to make them look smart is a fail attempt...i bet he doesnt even understand a drop of the things he pasted...and everything can be hacked..nothing is unhackable not even a 1028 bit encryption(which is said to be the best encryption u can have)...FAIl
02-07-2010, 08:15 PM #28
lol Geohot has the root key Can you not read?

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