Post: So You Think The PS3 is Hacked??....Think Again!
01-27-2010, 03:31 PM #1
Afrojack
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So the PS3 is hacked ? Well that's nothing more than an urban legend.

Altough it's nice to capture all these HV calls and stuff from a plain (not encrypted) lv1 binary, but this will never lead to a hacked PS3.

Let's have a look. The major security architecture on the PS3 is called the "Secure Processing Vault" and is the most important thing regarding "hacking" the PS3.

There is NO WAY for the PPU or even the HV to gain access to the SPU, which is an application running inside of an isolated SPU.

Well you can kick out the isolated SPU, like geohot mentioned, but this gives you nothing, as ALL the encryption and execution of applications (HDD encryption, app encryption, decryption, executing, signature checking, root key extraction) happens inside the isolated SPU.

To run homebrew on the PS3 you would have to reassemble the whole functionality from the SPU inside a binary running on the PPU. For this you will need the root key.

The root key is stored in hardware (not even close to the things on the iPhone). The root key cannot be extracted by any software or hardware means and is essential to ALL encryption/decryption, executing and checking routines.

The only way to get the root key is inside of an isolated SPU, as it is kick-starting the hardware encryption facility. There is no other way to do that !

Let's just assume that geohot or some other guys are able to break into the local store of the isolated SPE. There they will just find some encrypted binaries.

The key for decryption is encrypted by the root key ! You won't get anywhere without the root key.

Let's assume that someone managed to do all those stuff from the isolated SPU on the PPU and creates a CFW.

There is still a secure booting environment. The first module loaded/bootet is integrity checked by the hardware crypto facility utilizing the root key. So you have also to address this booting stuff. Again, no root key, no booting.

So there's always runtime patching you might ask ? Not possible on the PS3 because the hardware crypto facility is able to check the signatures whenever it wants to.

And which part is responsible for this ? Exactly, the isolated SPU. So if you kick out the isolated SPU the system will not boot/run anymore.

The PS3 is neither an PSP nor an iPhone. It's the most secure system architecture of this time !

So it will be a very very very very long time until it is actually hacked!
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02-11-2010, 02:33 AM #29
(Alex)
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Ps3 Hacked!!!
02-11-2010, 02:45 AM #30
xScreamo!
Trading Kids For Angel Dust
i kno this off topic but Geohot is friends with my friend. Im not kidding i swear and my friend said he is smart ass hell!!! but he moved away from him to a diff house and state
02-11-2010, 03:12 AM #31
nice copy and paste
02-11-2010, 04:48 AM #32
either way we are going to see an end to hacking systems all together, if the ps3 is ever hacked it is likely it will be around 10 years from now and pointless... the expolite only allows access to the first security feature, this is a baby step that won't help do anything that people are looking for, running ps3, ps2,ps1,psp backups on ps3, so all you people out there all excited to line up and buy an old fat ps3 you mine as well pack up and go because by the time the ps3 is hacked it will be like how old nes is to us now...
02-16-2010, 04:14 PM #33
Originally posted by clankfan1 View Post
either way we are going to see an end to hacking systems all together, if the ps3 is ever hacked it is likely it will be around 10 years from now and pointless... the expolite only allows access to the first security feature, this is a baby step that won't help do anything that people are looking for, running ps3, ps2,ps1,psp backups on ps3, so all you people out there all excited to line up and buy an old fat ps3 you mine as well pack up and go because by the time the ps3 is hacked it will be like how old nes is to us now...

yea ok....i bet that if we have some of those people that hack the pentagon try to hack the ps3, it wouldnt take more than a week. But probably someone with skillls like that probably have better things to do than hacking game systems
02-27-2010, 01:32 AM #34
going off what maxx12345678 said. If the pentagon got hacked you mean to tell me the PS3 can not? Sony has better security then the US Gov?? come on homie..
02-28-2010, 06:10 PM #35
xSOADx
Banana Joe
it is created by ppl, so it is also hackable by ppl...

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