Post: A tip that helped my LAG a lot, and a myth busted
12-01-2012, 04:33 PM #1
sonofpops
Are you high?
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Ok well I always research things in a lot of depth and I published lots of ways to beat lag comp in MW3 and someone was so pleased with my help once he paid me $60 via my website. Im not promoting the site so I wont link to it I am a NGU faithful and I'm just sharing something that helped me.

The matchmaking and best connection thing is the best its ever been in any cod. The fact that players are experiencing varying degrees of LAG is almost certainly down to their own connection. I was raging about LAG as I got the best internet etc paid for fibre optic, ethernet cable etc and I thought I was being punished by LAG comp.

Not the case at all if it wasn't for LAG comp I would not be able to even play cod. Basically as memory has become cheaper router manufacturers have added more and more memory (cheap ass memory). Great right? ... well not exactly.

In order to maintain network integrity while everyone in the world is sending packets at the same time some packets have to be momentarily delayed to avoid being fragmented. This happens both on your router and of course on a larger scale your isp's exchange routers.

I ran a network diagnostic tool on my own connection and I am not talking about pingtest.net or speedtest.net I am talking about a professional scientific network analysis tool called netalyser (google it use the downloadable .jar not the online version). To my utter amazement my top spec fibre optic low latency internet had a 4447ms buffer delay while playing Black ops 2.

Imagine being in a lobby where you had a 'real' ping of 4447ms and no LAG comp? People would drop you before you had even seen them.

The problem is that your (or your ISP's) router can become bloated completely unpredictably and be great one second and awful the next. As your router has to 'hang on' to more and more packets in the memory it becomes full and responds slowly while 'bloated'. So even though you have an amazing upstream that upstream is being delayed by in my case 4.5 seconds by your own router.

It is for that reason that being host sucks in MW3 and most of the time in BO2 a little lag comp (too much in MW3) but mostly host=more packets more packets=more bloat.

They are working on a solution to buffer bloat with routers with better memory management but they wont hit the stores till 2015.

There are a few things you can try optimising your MTU to stop packets being fragmented because they are too large for example most ADSL lines this number is 1472. There are plenty of tuts on here and YT to help with this.

Also you can avoid host by closing ports to make your NAT moderate.

But what worked best for me and is a real game changer was this. Download virtual router manager (google it) on a windows 7 Laptop and share your windows 7 laptops connection wirelessly. Then connect your console to your virtual wireless network through your windows 7 Laptop. Im not sure why using your laptop as a router works but I think this works because the laptop has better memory management and more memory than my cheap ISP router.

If it doesn't work for you I am sorry, It PROPERLY worked for me and my clan but I cant speak for your individual problems. I hope you at least enjoyed the information.

I am now very much enjoying the LAG and now I am better informed about my own connection I am glad of LAG comp =]

---------- Post added at 10:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 AM ----------

Just a quick note about MTU my default MTU was 1500 and 3 out of 4 packets that I sent to google.com via command prompt were being fragmented. At 1472 4 out of 4 were complete.

---------- Post added at 11:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:41 AM ----------

If enough people want I will make a Vid tut on diagnosing if the LAG is from your own network.
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});

The following 18 users say thank you to sonofpops for this useful post:

AJPackers, Dexla, DaRBdaPlaYa-, El_Mas_Chingon, FAKA_ELITE, hp450, Millz, Mr.Kane, Nifty., ONEster, rockym56, Stone, tacosauce, teyon47, TheManDavid, xHeAVeN, xShowtime32x, Zwiik
12-02-2012, 06:37 AM #11
Originally posted by sonofpops View Post
Ok well I always research things in a lot of depth and I published lots of ways to beat lag comp in MW3 and someone was so pleased with my help once he paid me $60 via my website. Im not promoting the site so I wont link to it I am a NGU faithful and I'm just sharing something that helped me.

The matchmaking and best connection thing is the best its ever been in any cod. The fact that players are experiencing varying degrees of LAG is almost certainly down to their own connection. I was raging about LAG as I got the best internet etc paid for fibre optic, ethernet cable etc and I thought I was being punished by LAG comp.

Not the case at all if it wasn't for LAG comp I would not be able to even play cod. Basically as memory has become cheaper router manufacturers have added more and more memory (cheap ass memory). Great right? ... well not exactly.

In order to maintain network integrity while everyone in the world is sending packets at the same time some packets have to be momentarily delayed to avoid being fragmented. This happens both on your router and of course on a larger scale your isp's exchange routers.

I ran a network diagnostic tool on my own connection and I am not talking about pingtest.net or speedtest.net I am talking about a professional scientific network analysis tool called netalyser (google it use the downloadable .jar not the online version). To my utter amazement my top spec fibre optic low latency internet had a 4447ms buffer delay while playing Black ops 2.

Imagine being in a lobby where you had a 'real' ping of 4447ms and no LAG comp? People would drop you before you had even seen them.

The problem is that your (or your ISP's) router can become bloated completely unpredictably and be great one second and awful the next. As your router has to 'hang on' to more and more packets in the memory it becomes full and responds slowly while 'bloated'. So even though you have an amazing upstream that upstream is being delayed by in my case 4.5 seconds by your own router.

It is for that reason that being host sucks in MW3 and most of the time in BO2 a little lag comp (too much in MW3) but mostly host=more packets more packets=more bloat.

They are working on a solution to buffer bloat with routers with better memory management but they wont hit the stores till 2015.

There are a few things you can try optimising your MTU to stop packets being fragmented because they are too large for example most ADSL lines this number is 1472. There are plenty of tuts on here and YT to help with this.

Also you can avoid host by closing ports to make your NAT moderate.

But what worked best for me and is a real game changer was this. Download virtual router manager (google it) on a windows 7 Laptop and share your windows 7 laptops connection wirelessly. Then connect your console to your virtual wireless network through your windows 7 Laptop. Im not sure why using your laptop as a router works but I think this works because the laptop has better memory management and more memory than my cheap ISP router.

If it doesn't work for you I am sorry, It PROPERLY worked for me and my clan but I cant speak for your individual problems. I hope you at least enjoyed the information.

I am now very much enjoying the LAG and now I am better informed about my own connection I am glad of LAG comp =]

---------- Post added at 10:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 AM ----------

Just a quick note about MTU my default MTU was 1500 and 3 out of 4 packets that I sent to google.com via command prompt were being fragmented. At 1472 4 out of 4 were complete.

---------- Post added at 11:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:41 AM ----------

If enough people want I will make a Vid tut on diagnosing if the LAG is from your own network.


This literally changed my COD expierience thankyou you are amazing!!!

The following user thanked El_Mas_Chingon for this useful post:

sonofpops
12-02-2012, 09:00 AM #12
I can't find this netalyser .jar thing you're talking about.

Edit: Nvm, I think I found it. Is it the NetalyzrCLI.jar?
12-02-2012, 09:28 AM #13
Wow, thanks! Didn't know this
12-02-2012, 10:14 AM #14
spudeeelad
I defeated!
Originally posted by rockym56 View Post
Still waiting on ur reply.. U call this a load of "SHITE", please explain why.. Hopefully u are not the janitor for this so called biggest ISP company in Britian..

I would have to explain ALOT of things that I just cannot be arsed to do. Actually I am 3rd line engineering and software development. The company is TalkTalk and TalkTalk are the biggest ISP in Britain in terms of customer numbers.

The following user thanked spudeeelad for this useful post:

ResistTheSun
12-02-2012, 10:26 AM #15
rockym56
[move]M.O.B.[/move]
Originally posted by spudeeelad View Post
I would have to explain ALOT of things that I just cannot be arsed to do. Actually I am 3rd line engineering and software development. The company is TalkTalk and TalkTalk are the biggest ISP in Britain in terms of customer numbers.

Well you may have to explain ALOT of things, but that should be easy for u right?? I mean, u bash his thread, then u brag about your experience and where u work.. The least u could have done was not even post in this thread.. Sono, did some research and put some work into his post.. He did not have to do this, and yet he is offering to go out of his way to make a video tutorial to help everyone also..

This is when you could use ur expertise and help the site with ur knowledge, but yet you choose to bash this thread with your comments.. Its whatever.....

The following user thanked rockym56 for this useful post:

ONEster
12-02-2012, 10:33 AM #16
spudeeelad
I defeated!
Originally posted by rockym56 View Post
Well you may have to explain ALOT of things, but that should be easy for u right?? I mean, u bash his thread, then u brag about your experience and where u work.. The least u could have done was not even post in this thread.. Sono, did some research and put some work into his post.. He did not have to do this, and yet he is offering to go out of his way to make a video tutorial to help everyone also..

This is when you could use ur expertise and help the site with ur knowledge, but yet you choose to bash this thread with your comments.. Its whatever.....

I bash the thread because it is complete nonsense. I am not going to train and explain the entire world of telecoms to a bunch of randomers on the internet. It would be quite easy to explain in person and by using knowledge specific to my ISP (every ISP works differently) but we're not allowed to talk about our own in-house workings.

Many people lag for different reasons and I am not going to try and explain everyone's individual reasons as to why they may or may not lag because I have better things to do with my time.
12-02-2012, 10:40 AM #17
rockym56
[move]M.O.B.[/move]
Originally posted by spudeeelad View Post
I bash the thread because it is complete nonsense. I am not going to train and explain the entire world of telecoms to a bunch of randomers on the internet. It would be quite easy to explain in person and by using knowledge specific to my ISP (every ISP works differently) but we're not allowed to talk about our own in-house workings.

Many people lag for different reasons and I am not going to try and explain everyone's individual reasons as to why they may or may not lag because I have better things to do with my time.


Well then.. GET THE FUCK UP OUT OF THIS THREAD THEN.. Go spend your quality time somewhere else then!! Since this thread is nonsense to you.. Damn LEECHER!! Yea, I just said this to you... Feel free to flame me... Its not like I am going to give a fuck..
12-02-2012, 11:18 AM #18
spudeeelad
I defeated!
Originally posted by rockym56 View Post
Well then.. GET THE FUCK UP OUT OF THIS THREAD THEN.. Go spend your quality time somewhere else then!! Since this thread is nonsense to you.. Damn LEECHER!! Yea, I just said this to you... Feel free to flame me... Its not like I am going to give a fuck..

You do realise that a leecher is someone who takes things from somewhere for free without either paying, saying thanks or giving credit? Stupid.

If you honestly believe that you will never ever lag again on a game of COD because of this then you are complete tool. There are literally 100s of circumstances and scenarios that can create lag, including but not exclusive to everything from time of the day, the weather and temperature, to the type of game you're trying to join, with how many people, and their connection.

The matchmaking on COD is flawed and this is most of the reason why people lag. For example, COD seems to match based on who has the best connection... to only one other person in the lobby. In other words, if you can your next door neighbour are both playing COD, then your chances of getting host are increased tremendously, even though your individual connections and speeds overall might be absolutely horrendous.

It's exaggerated even more when you have 2 people in the same house playing online on the same network. For example, my friend has a really bad connection in general and when his brother comes online on his ps3, they both get huge amounts of lag. But, despite them lagging, COD still always picks one of them as host because their connection to each other is far better than any other player in the game is to each respective player. Their connection to the network as a whole is bad, but COD measures based on connection to other players, so basically they have a LAN party style connection between each other, but to everyone not in thier house, the connection is shite.

Personally, I have no lag whatsoever.... until I get matched up with Americans, then I always lag. But it's circumstancial - i.e. if I had packet problems then I would suffer random spurts of lag all the time, regardless of who else is in the party etc.

Lastly, most ISPs have a line profile specifically designed to counter-act this very thing for gamers. If you're like me and are on a gaming profile, you will not need to do this 'fix'.

This theory may seem like it works, but I can 100% guarantee you that it will NOT ensure that you will never ever lag again. This 'fix' is doing what the gamer profile is designed to do and the easier way to do this fix.... ring your ISP and ask them to switch you to a gaming profile....

The following 4 users say thank you to spudeeelad for this useful post:

ResistTheSun, rockym56, Swifter, Xyah
12-02-2012, 11:40 AM #19
HomelandSec
League Champion
This is great, thanks man...

Copyright © 2026, NextGenUpdate.
All Rights Reserved.

Gray NextGenUpdate Logo