Post: We need an intervention (please read/support)
12-10-2009, 01:19 AM #1
bmxdude9
Million Miles Of Fun!
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The Invention
"Everything intercepts us from ourselves." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
By: Bmxdude9


I will start this off by saying that at one point in time I was able to proudly say that I was at the forefront of hacking some game, whether that was SOCOM 2 and through out the series, the PSP or more recently the PS3 and MW2. Ill admit unlike others from the past of great defeats including military leaders etc that what I have done was completely wrong, Ive destroyed games for thousands, been worshiped like a king and in the end done nothing but wreck something for someone else. I originally thought when I first started to learn how to code I was doing something good which I always tried to maintain to code for learning purposes and not gain, times have changed and look where I am today... I am writing this 'article' because I feel partly at fault for everything that happened to a game that whether we admit it or not took years to design and in a few weeks it was like it didn't even matter. I was a leader throughout everything Ive been a part of and I think tonight and for the times of the future I have to be a leader now. Let me say in NO way are we different from those during the ps2 days, everything spread like wildfire like it is now but thats why we need an 'intervention' to assess what we have messed up and our plan to fix it. I will cover, what our problem is what that truly means and how to fix it along with our past, present and future.

The first step of fixing the problem is to admit what the issue is and an honest method of how we will fix it as lets face it if we dont do something today then what Is going to happen tomorrow? I started posting the information I did for the sole purpose of education not the destruction of a game which in all honesty I should have seen it comming as it had the same warning signs of its predecessors, it all started with something so simple but then turned into a blaze and then everyone had to have it. We need to realize that its more than some stupid score on the leaderboards, even though it may have been cool at one point we need to fix it and trust me if we dont it only gets worse from here on in. We can either work together to fix what we have damaged or just ignore it and think it will repair itself.

Lets face it we are selfish, greedy for popularity "hackers" that really are only looking to improve our eGo. We have to face it that we are the people to blame and I blame myself as for as far as I can remember that after the leaderbaords were exploited I was the one to lead this nation to cheating I dont blame anyone else, most people are naive when they cheat this game they were not part of history's past they dont know or dont see what can truly come if not a single man will stand up for whats right, we cant leave it to IW to fix everything we fawk up, they put in extra time, wasting time fixing our errors or rather should I say 'our stuck up awesomeness' I always said I dont condone hacking and In ways I would contradict myself when I would do it but we HAVE to see what we have done wrong and we have to act on it now, NOT IW, US(we), YOU, WE AS A COMMUNITY. IW can do whatever they want, they wont stop us, us stops us, us(we) tells us when to end and put a stop to our foolish behavior. Lets take action and realize that yeah there is a whole other side to posting some tut how to hack the gamesave, how to get on top lets try and face it in the end it doesn't really matter.

How can we fix it? We can only fix it if we can all agree and realize that it is for the better than some rank, number or rep. Let me explain why I choose the quote "Everything intercepts us from ourselves." yes, it might not make sense but just think about it, it goes along with this situation because everything WE are becomes the GAME, if we are greedy then the game will be filled with people obsessed with ranks, if we want fame we will do whatever it takes to obtain us that fame whatever that may be such as posting a tutorial a new exploit or hack just to get up our eGo. If we want to move past this and make a changed than we will have to work together as a community, as the NGU nation to fix what is wrong. Lets be proud saying we not only started it but we were wise and brave enough to end it as a cost to whatever that may be. I personally am done with it mainly and will be like that because we need to be the better man, like Ive said IW can release a million more patches but we will ALWAYS be the ones to blame or become the fame. I guess it all just comes down to being human, having greed and those like myself and others who want to be the better man.

I hope that the above post has made you think in some way, spark something in your brain to notice what we are doing wrong and why we need to fix it. For those who were there in 2002 on the forefront of what we call console hacking I hope you can place yourself back there such as like what I have done to support the cause, we all will complain again now about MW2 like we did for SOCOM we need to realize it is NEVER to late to fix what we have messed up even though this game only now has a few scars we can walk past them as a community if we work together for a common goal. Please post your thoughts and what you feel about this game being glitched, exploited, abused, and hacked in numerous ways. We have to think and act as a community to get anywhere And please remember....

"It takes one person to damage what is truly valued, it takes a nation to put it back together." -unknown

Thanks for reading and commenting,

~bmxdude9
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12-10-2009, 02:18 AM #11
bmxdude9
Million Miles Of Fun!
Originally posted by njhockey View Post
i think that ppl who want to be on top of the leaderboard just want attention.


yes like Ive said expanding their eGo and eFame.
12-10-2009, 02:24 AM #12
SantaClawZ
I'm not new to this
In the real world no one cares who is #1 on mw2. Either way they are looked at and most likely are a nerd with no life. And don't say you have/want to have a job related to computers, if you do, go do your job and stop hacking mw2.

Back in cod4, I admit I hacked some, but to ruin a game right as it is released is too much. In my opinion they should just remove the Global leaderboards and only have leaderboards for friends.
12-10-2009, 03:27 AM #13
leukotic
Climbing up the ladder
You make it seem like the entire game was ruined. But in reality it wasn't even close to it. So what if the leaderboards got jumbled with a ton of crap, it's not like anybody ever takes the top 10k people seriously anyway. 99% of the time they are padders, glitchers, cheaters or 24/7 players. The leaderboard is meaningless. And in no way shape or form was it 'ruining the game' because less than 1% of the MW2 population hacked a fake score within the top 2k players.

Give me a break, I could play all day long in various matches and not even realize anything was going on. In fact I do just that, I never see anybody truly cheating or glitching. 98% of the people who play this game, do it without any glitches, hacks or tweaks. What many would think it glitching or cheating, is usually lag due to the crappy p2p system. Sure the real cheaters are out there, but they will always be incredibly low in numbers.

Even the leaderboard thing with something like 2k people hacking to the top... that's what, less than a 1/8th of a percent of the 1 million people who have played this game online? Absolutely meaningless. Any hacks you may have helped with or were solely responsible for is NOT ruining the game at all. Not to mention the vagueness of the so called 'released' hacks which make it impossible for most of the people on these boards to even figure out.

You can think of this in two ways. One way is thinking "Releasing this hack will ruin the game because everybody will do it. Therefore I will keep it to myself". or you can think "Well, if I release this hack to the public then that means the developers can patch it up quicker, thus preventing ANYBODY from doing it". Sure with the latter people will abuse the heck out of whatever hack it is, but that just gives the developers more inclination to fix it faster. Which is a good thing for the game. You either keep the hacks to yourself, and risk keeping ti a secret for only a select few to know. Or you can release it and get it fixed so nobody can do it.

Really, that's what it boils down to. Keeping hacks to yourself is infact selfish. Because you are not the only one to know about them. And those other people are probably abusing them and keeping it to themselves as well. So if you never release it, it never gets fixed and the people who do know about it, will continue to abuse it. Whereas if you release it, everybody will know INCLUDING Infinity Ward. And they will fix it so nobody can do it anymore.

This is how a lot of whitehat hackers operate. They may be trying to exploit something, but it's the end result is what matters. Because they will try and get it patched and fixed. They may be doing the dirty deed, but it's for a good cause. Whereas a blackhat will find something out, keep it to themselves, and use it selfishly and immorally as much as they please. And since they never tell anybody about it, the hole never gets fixed.

I say if you really want to keep the game from getting ruined, then that means you simply have to hack harder and find all the exploits, release them and get IW to fix those exploits. Cause if you know something but don't tell anybody, then the ones who do know will keep getting away with it.
12-10-2009, 03:32 AM #14
x-HiGh-x
Save Point
Originally posted by leukotic View Post
You make it seem like the entire game was ruined. But in reality it wasn't even close to it. So what if the leaderboards got jumbled with a ton of crap, it's not like anybody ever takes the top 10k people seriously anyway. 99% of the time they are padders, glitchers, cheaters or 24/7 players. The leaderboard is meaningless. And in no way shape or form was it 'ruining the game' because less than 1% of the MW2 population hacked a fake score within the top 2k players.

Give me a break, I could play all day long in various matches and not even realize anything was going on. In fact I do just that, I never see anybody truly cheating or glitching. 98% of the people who play this game, do it without any glitches, hacks or tweaks. What many would think it glitching or cheating, is usually lag due to the crappy p2p system. Sure the real cheaters are out there, but they will always be incredibly low in numbers.

Even the leaderboard thing with something like 2k people hacking to the top... that's what, less than a 1/8th of a percent of the 1 million people who have played this game online? Absolutely meaningless. Any hacks you may have helped with or were solely responsible for is NOT ruining the game at all. Not to mention the vagueness of the so called 'released' hacks which make it impossible for most of the people on these boards to even figure out.

You can think of this in two ways. One way is thinking "Releasing this hack will ruin the game because everybody will do it. Therefore I will keep it to myself". or you can think "Well, if I release this hack to the public then that means the developers can patch it up quicker, thus preventing ANYBODY from doing it". Sure with the latter people will abuse the heck out of whatever hack it is, but that just gives the developers more inclination to fix it faster. Which is a good thing for the game. You either keep the hacks to yourself, and risk keeping ti a secret for only a select few to know. Or you can release it and get it fixed so nobody can do it.

Really, that's what it boils down to. Keeping hacks to yourself is infact selfish. Because you are not the only one to know about them. And those other people are probably abusing them and keeping it to themselves as well. So if you never release it, it never gets fixed and the people who do know about it, will continue to abuse it. Whereas if you release it, everybody will know INCLUDING Infinity Ward. And they will fix it so nobody can do it anymore.

This is how a lot of whitehat hackers operate. They may be trying to exploit something, but it's the end result is what matters. Because they will try and get it patched and fixed. They may be doing the dirty deed, but it's for a good cause. Whereas a blackhat will find something out, keep it to themselves, and use it selfishly and immorally as much as they please. And since they never tell anybody about it, the hole never gets fixed.

I say if you really want to keep the game from getting ruined, then that means you simply have to hack harder and find all the exploits, release them and get IW to fix those exploits. Cause if you know something but don't tell anybody, then the ones who do know will keep getting away with it.


How about just don't hack in the first place so the developers don't have to worry about it?
12-10-2009, 04:32 AM #15
bmxdude9
Million Miles Of Fun!
Originally posted by another user

Keeping hacks to yourself is infact selfish


That is one of the things you've said that I disagree with because that is not selfish its actually smart when you think about it. Look @ socom it got RAPED because we did the same thing at first what many people are doing now, if you weren't that you wouldn't know.

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12-10-2009, 04:33 AM #16
Paschendale
Cougar Hunter
Love this post I hate the unfair play of mw2 people just play legit and u will have fun. Don't hack for a rank u don't deserve , this games new and already doing this , I can see hacking it when the games been out for two years but now people wanna play the game legit!
12-10-2009, 05:06 AM #17
what the hell is this crap? really nice to read and ill rep you for that but this website's main attraction is to talk about glitching and this forum is SPECIFICALLY for hacking and exploiting. why is this post here? if you dont want to hack anymore then just disappear from the forums. everyone here want to learn hacks and discover hacks..... take your soapbox elsewhere srsly
12-10-2009, 05:16 AM #18
leukotic
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by bmxdude9 View Post
That is one of the things you've said that I disagree with because that is not selfish its actually smart when you think about it. Look @ socom it got RAPED because we did the same thing at first what many people are doing now, if you weren't that you wouldn't know.


Unless you can make something like Codemajic which goes a LOT deeper than packet injection or just simple gamesave hacks, then I seriously doubt it will end up the same way. And far as I know, people are pretty far off from doing something like that to the PS3. The dang thing is almost a impenetrable fortress.

Plus, times have changed. What happened to Socom could never happen again as long as the devs want their franchise to keep running smoothly. I mean look at the leaderboard hacks, IW is already cleaning it up, and it's been what, less than a week since the public release of that glitch? And in a few days they are going to release a patch making it so you cannot exploit it anymore.

Releasing them publically basically FORCES IW to take action and get it fixed. Unless you can somehow contact IW directly, public releases and detailed description on how to do them is the most effective way for devs to fix the holes.

I still support the idea of using hacks to stop hackers.
12-10-2009, 05:20 AM #19
Saint Jimmy
And don't wear it out.
BMX Dude is right.

@ All the people saying that hacking the leaderboards is no big deal, it really is. To you it seems like nothing, as you are only one in around 2,000 people hacking the leaderboards. But to everyone else, it's a big deal. You truly are ruining the game.

Originally posted by another user
You make it seem like the entire game was ruined. But in reality it wasn't even close to it. So what if the leaderboards got jumbled with a ton of crap, it's not like anybody ever takes the top 10k people seriously anyway. 99% of the time they are padders, glitchers, cheaters or 24/7 players. The leaderboard is meaningless. And in no way shape or form was it 'ruining the game' because less than 1% of the MW2 population hacked a fake score within the top 2k players.


As I said, a lot of people care about those leaderboards, and hate your guts for hacking them. Less than 1% did hack it, meaning that over 99% are being ripped off.

Think about it from that 99%'s point of view. They don't know how to hack the leaderboards, and here there are around 2,000 people that are totally ruining the game for them.
Sure, everybody keeps saying that hacking the leaderboards is no big deal.

Remember QuantumForce?

Do you remember how pissed off everybody, including you, was because he was unfairly at the top of the leaderboards? And now you can hack it, so you don't care?

That's realll mature...

***EDIT***

Originally posted by another user
Plus, times have changed. What happened to Socom could never happen again as long as the devs want their franchise to keep running smoothly. I mean look at the leaderboard hacks, IW is already cleaning it up, and it's been what, less than a week since the public release of that glitch? And in a few days they are going to release a patch making it so you cannot exploit it anymore.


Back then, Socom was as hard to hack as MW2 was now. Even though the devs are constantly adding in more defenses, we are constantly learning to get past them. If what we're doing to MW2 continues, it will for sure end up like Socom.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Just keep remembering what happened to good ol' Socom.

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