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Also @Como I don't wanna quote your entire post but how do you know what these people have seen during this war? Do you think that the war may have some mental effects on them depending on what they've gone through?

Experiencing something traumatic could change a persons mental state forever. Eventually soldiers develop this wall that blocks them from having any emotion after killing someone, your first kill is always the hardest.

None of us can make conclusions about these soldiers because we are not aware of their history.

Rant/Opinion, same thing in a way.

@ EvilRip, that is why i said they should have screenings to check these men, and if they have been traumatised by what they've seen then remove them from the warzone they're in. Don't put them in control of a helicopter gun. If anything, it's the government that needs to step in and make sure it is stable minded people they have fighting their war in Iraq. And that applies to any government with troops out there.

I don't spend my life praying to a god and getting preached to kill people who are actually trying to save me. Had these soldiers got killed by that rpg, you would hear a 2 second clip on the local news and they would be added to a statistic. I'm saying that had these soldiers not killed these TERRORISTS, who indeed set off car bombs, kidnap children, behead anyone who is American and would gladly repeat 9/11, who knows what they would of went off and done. These men possibly saved the lives of many of not only their fellow soldiers, but children and citizens of Iraq. This is why videos like this are kept confidential. Civilians who are not in the stressful "I could die at any moment especially when there's a group of terrorists at the bottom about to blow me and my team to shreds" mind-state will look at this and think FILTH instead of "They actually did their jobs saving lives of INNOCENT PEOPLE. You're comparing me to someone who beheads ANYONE who is American or speaks English?
No. Yes, I have a grudge against ALL the terrorists in Iraq who set IED's to try and kill my cousin and friend. I also have a grudge against the men who kill Americans simply because they are American. You know, our soldiers are out there going door to door talking to Iraqi citizens, these terrorists don't like that and try to bomb/kill our soldiers.


The man with the rpg(NOTE: Not all rpg's are the one from CoD4, as long as it's a grenade being propelled by a rocket, it's an rpg) Was watching the chopper with the RPG in hand WITH HIS BUDDIES WHO HAD AK 47'S. Have you ever been in a situation where you were facing death such as these men were? You're not thinking "Hey someone might see this and think I'm a bad guy." OR "I think that's a camera, let me sit here while a guy points a ****ING RPG AT MY HELICOPTER." These soldiers were doing their jobs, killing terrorists to protect Iraqi citizens.

AND @Evilrip I agree. I've talked to veterans who have had to do things to save not only themselves but their whole team's/squad's lives.


Soldiers are not out there to talk. That's the whole reason for this 'war' thing. Especially if the terrorists think you're American, you get proudly beheaded.

Originally posted by RICHIE209

I don't spend my life praying to a god and getting preached to kill people who are actually trying to save me. Had these soldiers got killed by that rpg, you would hear a 2 second clip on the local news and they would be added to a statistic. I'm saying that had these soldiers not killed these TERRORISTS, who indeed set off car bombs, kidnap children, behead anyone who is American and would gladly repeat 9/11, who knows what they would of went off and done. These men possibly saved the lives of many of not only their fellow soldiers, but children and citizens of Iraq. This is why videos like this are kept confidential. Civilians who are not in the stressful "I could die at any moment especially when there's a group of terrorists at the bottom about to blow me and my team to shreds" mind-state will look at this and think FILTH instead of "They actually did their jobs saving lives of INNOCENT PEOPLE. You're comparing me to someone who beheads ANYONE who is American or speaks English?
No. Yes, I have a grudge against ALL the terrorists in Iraq who set IED's to try and kill my cousin and friend. I also have a grudge against the men who kill Americans simply because they are American. You know, our soldiers are out there going door to door talking to Iraqi citizens, these terrorists don't like that and try to bomb/kill our soldiers.


The man with the rpg(NOTE: Not all rpg's are the one from CoD4, as long as it's a grenade being propelled by a rocket, it's an rpg) Was watching the chopper with the RPG in hand WITH HIS BUDDIES WHO HAD AK 47'S. Have you ever been in a situation where you were facing death such as these men were? You're not thinking "Hey someone might see this and think I'm a bad guy." OR "I think that's a camera, let me sit here while a guy points a ****ING RPG AT MY HELICOPTER." These soldiers were doing their jobs, killing terrorists to protect Iraqi citizens.
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They believe that what they are doing is right. They believe the West are the terrorists, just like we believe they are the terrorists. Who could blame them to think that though when America and Britain invade countries for WMD's, yet WE have them too. How many nukes do America have? How many nukes do Britain have, yet when a country in the middle east 'has them', they get invaded. Some people might see it as them being saved, some people see it as NATO troops invading their country. The thing is, that Apache would have been so many feet in the air, the RPG wouldn't have hit. The pilot should have been able to dodge it from the height he was at. They don't lock on. Nobody will know what those people would have done due to the gunner being impatient and wanting to kill. "You're comparing me to someone who beheads ANYONE who is American or speaks English?" Basically, yes. You are saying the same thing as they think. They're like "He's and American, let's behead him" and your are saying "He's a terrorist, these men did good KILLING IN COLD BLOOD" with no valid reason as to do so. Have you seen the film Black Hawk Down? That's based on a true story, so I'm going to say that at the start of the film is true too. Those soldiers see civilians being gunned downed in cold blood by those terrorists. The soldiers want to engage. They had a reason, they wanted to save the civilians. The commander asked if they were under fire, they said no, therefore they couldn't shoot. They could have lied and ACTUALLY saved lives by shooting, but they didn't, they flew off. The men in this video didn't get shot at, they lied. Nobody was being slaughtered. See what I'm saying. It's as though he wanted to get into a fight. At the end of this vid, he laughs at the fact the Humvee drove over a dead body.

I know what an RPG is. The "propelled grenade" should say it all. They are being controlled by a 'fan' meaning that nobody has control as to where it will go. The guy who might have fired it couldn't have directed it at the Apache and made it hit. The terrorists also didn't look like a threat to them in anyway. They had the AK over the shoulder and RPG horizontally. How do you suppose he fires the RPG from that angle? There was nothing in that video to show that they were under threat, and by the looks of things, they didn't even know the Helicopters were there. Rules of engagement are there for a reason. That reason is so NATO forces don't end up like them. Don't kill everyone wearing a turban. Don't kill everyone riding a scooter. The soldiers didn't obey those rules and are no better than the terrorists are. As a soldier you have to deal with you mates getting killed. You know it will happen when you enlist in the army.

Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx

They believe that what they are doing is right. They believe the West are the terrorists, just like we believe they are the terrorists. Who could blame them to think that though when America and Britain invade countries for WMD's, yet WE have them too. How many nukes do America have? How many nukes do Britain have, yet when a country in the middle east 'has them', they get invaded. Some people might see it as them being saved, some people see it as NATO troops invading their country. The thing is, that Apache would have been so many feet in the air, the RPG wouldn't have hit. The pilot should have been able to dodge it from the height he was at. They don't lock on. Nobody will know what those people would have done due to the gunner being impatient and wanting to kill. "You're comparing me to someone who beheads ANYONE who is American or speaks English?" Basically, yes. You are saying the same thing as they think. They're like "He's and American, let's behead him" and your are saying "He's a terrorist, these men did good KILLING IN COLD BLOOD" with no valid reason as to do so. Have you seen the film Black Hawk Down? That's based on a true story, so I'm going to say that at the start of the film is true too. Those soldiers see civilians being gunned downed in cold blood by those terrorists. The soldiers want to engage. They had a reason, they wanted to save the civilians. The commander asked if they were under fire, they said no, therefore they couldn't shoot. They could have lied and ACTUALLY saved lives by shooting, but they didn't, they flew off. The men in this video didn't get shot at, they lied. Nobody was being slaughtered. See what I'm saying. It's as though he wanted to get into a fight. At the end of this vid, he laughs at the fact the Humvee drove over a dead body.

I know what an RPG is. The "propelled grenade" should say it all. They are being controlled by a 'fan' meaning that nobody has control as to where it will go. The guy who might have fired it couldn't have directed it at the Apache and made it hit. The terrorists also didn't look like a threat to them in anyway. They had the AK over the shoulder and RPG horizontally. How do you suppose he fires the RPG from that angle? There was nothing in that video to show that they were under threat, and by the looks of things, they didn't even know the Helicopters were there. Rules of engagement are there for a reason. That reason is so NATO forces don't end up like them. Don't kill everyone wearing a turban. Don't kill everyone riding a scooter. The soldiers didn't obey those rules and are no better than the terrorists are. As a soldier you have to deal with you mates getting killed. You know it will happen when you enlist in the army.

You understand this is a war, not a negotiations mission right?

An extremely pointless one at that.

The insurgents and terrorists wont just stop, and they will keep fighting, move countries, and do whatever it takes.

No matter what people do, terror will always be alive.

Everyone has their own opinion and none of them are right- thats just the way it is, every opinon made, can be shot down by another.
My thoughts are, if anyone from any country means to do America or any fellow NATO country harm, we need to do what ever it takes to protect our beliefs. Is that right, for me YES, for someone else NO. Like rjive said: its easy to judge from the comfort of our living rooms.
People say these soldiers are heartless jackass' that dont care about human live, but guess what-its a war, no matter how you feel, it is a war. Soldiers are trained to KILL, this is what they do. If they where trained to promote peace and happiness, they would take cake, ice cream and puppy dogs into battle.
This is not grade school guys, this is real life and I perfer cold heartless soldiers when it comes to protecting my way of life. Does that make it right that innocent people have to die-HELL NO, but thats the way it is.

I love the fact that everyone is speaking their minds. Its good to see everyones thoughts.

UPDATE:
Good point Como (his response is four down from mine) One thing I did not hit on is what you replied, American soldiers as as well as all NATO soldiers do indeed have rules. I agree with Como on the fact that they should follow set rules of engagment and if broken, they should be delt with appropriately.

I know it's war, but you still need rules. If you want people to help you and to support you, you can't go in and fire at who you want for your own personal rush otherwise people will turn against you. If there was no rules, then America, Britain, France and all the other countries would be just like them. The rules stop us from being that.

Eliminate religion and there goes half of humanities problems