Post: U.S. Army Accused Of 'Video Game'-Like Behavior In Disturbing Leaked Iraq War Video
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04-06-2010, 08:24 AM
#1
Caspa
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Investigative organization WikiLeaks released classified U.S. military video today showing the killing of more than a dozen Iraqis, including two Reuters employees, with a spokesperson for the whistle-blower group slamming the soldiers involved for their "video game" like behavior.
That video, which is incredibly disturbing and graphic, shows a group of Iraqis walking the streets of New Baghdad, identified as armed "insurgents" by military personnel. The group, which reportedly included Reuters photojournalist Namir Noor-Eldeen and assistant Saeed Chmagh, is gunned down by a pair of Apache attack helicopters. Later, a minivan that appears to come to the assistance of the wounded is fired upon.
Australian journalist and WikiLeaks advisory board member Julian Assange released the video at the National Press Club in Washington. "The behavior of the pilots is like they're playing a video game," said Assange, according to a report from Fox News. "It's like they want to get high-scores in that computer game."
That video, which is incredibly disturbing and graphic, shows a group of Iraqis walking the streets of New Baghdad, identified as armed "insurgents" by military personnel. The group, which reportedly included Reuters photojournalist Namir Noor-Eldeen and assistant Saeed Chmagh, is gunned down by a pair of Apache attack helicopters. Later, a minivan that appears to come to the assistance of the wounded is fired upon.
Australian journalist and WikiLeaks advisory board member Julian Assange released the video at the National Press Club in Washington. "The behavior of the pilots is like they're playing a video game," said Assange, according to a report from Fox News. "It's like they want to get high-scores in that computer game."
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04-06-2010, 05:26 PM
#20
Krushed
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You're kidding me? This was TOTALLY wrong i mean anyone with eyes could see that those were not AK-47'S, and that this was a total joke these soldiers WANTED to kill those Iraq's you can tell by the tone of there voice and what there saying,
here's a couple of words i found the soldiers exchanging "All you gotta do is pick up a weapon"a soldier said this while one of the wounded Iraq's were crawling on the ground trying to escape which i think he really wanted to shoot him for personal enjoyment. Another quote is "come on let us shoot" this was said when the other iraq's came in a van to help the wounded man which why would they kill civilians? I mean every person they saw from that Apache Helicopter they labeled as threats which i also find interesting... Well the last quote is "oh yeah look at that right through the window" and another soldier reply's with "ha ha"
when they look at the van they just destroyed with innocent children which are now left with out a dad because of these STUPID ASS SOLDIERS.
And this leads me to believe these soldiers FALSELY accused these Iraq's as threats, which they were not at all this is probably the worst thing I've seen done by the so called great Americans i cannot even begin to tell you how bad i feel for these innocent people and children.
Just think if that was you just an innocent reporter/photographer and just started getting shot at with and Apache Helicopter and you were NO threat all you would be like WTF! just wandering around just think that you saw a wounded civilian and you wanted to help him out and you start getting shot at by a Helicopter WITH your children in the car, you would be outraged if you weren't dead i mean this is no were near funny guys this shows that us Americans are just as bad as thees other countries just think about it........
I know soldiers have to do their job and protect us and cannot save every civilian but this right here is wrong
here's a couple of words i found the soldiers exchanging "All you gotta do is pick up a weapon"a soldier said this while one of the wounded Iraq's were crawling on the ground trying to escape which i think he really wanted to shoot him for personal enjoyment. Another quote is "come on let us shoot" this was said when the other iraq's came in a van to help the wounded man which why would they kill civilians? I mean every person they saw from that Apache Helicopter they labeled as threats which i also find interesting... Well the last quote is "oh yeah look at that right through the window" and another soldier reply's with "ha ha"
when they look at the van they just destroyed with innocent children which are now left with out a dad because of these STUPID ASS SOLDIERS.
And this leads me to believe these soldiers FALSELY accused these Iraq's as threats, which they were not at all this is probably the worst thing I've seen done by the so called great Americans i cannot even begin to tell you how bad i feel for these innocent people and children.
Just think if that was you just an innocent reporter/photographer and just started getting shot at with and Apache Helicopter and you were NO threat all you would be like WTF! just wandering around just think that you saw a wounded civilian and you wanted to help him out and you start getting shot at by a Helicopter WITH your children in the car, you would be outraged if you weren't dead i mean this is no were near funny guys this shows that us Americans are just as bad as thees other countries just think about it........
I know soldiers have to do their job and protect us and cannot save every civilian but this right here is wrong
04-06-2010, 06:07 PM
#22
i dont think i saw them shooting what so ever in this
the only shooters i saw were the military
how do they exactly tell if the "enemy" has guns... what if there is a guy moving a pipe for his house and is mistakenly shot down
how do we even identify our enimys from our own??
this just made me think a little....
the only shooters i saw were the military
how do they exactly tell if the "enemy" has guns... what if there is a guy moving a pipe for his house and is mistakenly shot down
how do we even identify our enimys from our own??
this just made me think a little....
04-06-2010, 06:34 PM
#23
rjive
Love Big Titty Bitches
Originally posted by iK
You're kidding me? This was TOTALLY wrong i mean anyone with eyes could see that those were not AK-47'S, and that this was a total joke these soldiers WANTED to kill those Iraq's you can tell by the tone of there voice and what there saying,
here's a couple of words i found the soldiers exchanging "All you gotta do is pick up a weapon"a soldier said this while one of the wounded Iraq's were crawling on the ground trying to escape which i think he really wanted to shoot him for personal enjoyment. Another quote is "come on let us shoot" this was said when the other iraq's came in a van to help the wounded man which why would they kill civilians? I mean every person they saw from that Apache Helicopter they labeled as threats which i also find interesting... Well the last quote is "oh yeah look at that right through the window" and another soldier reply's with "ha ha"
when they look at the van they just destroyed with innocent children which are now left with out a dad because of these STUPID ASS SOLDIERS.
And this leads me to believe these soldiers FALSELY accused these Iraq's as threats, which they were not at all this is probably the worst thing I've seen done by the so called great Americans i cannot even begin to tell you how bad i feel for these innocent people and children.
Just think if that was you just an innocent reporter/photographer and just started getting shot at with and Apache Helicopter and you were NO threat all you would be like WTF! just wandering around just think that you saw a wounded civilian and you wanted to help him out and you start getting shot at by a Helicopter WITH your children in the car, you would be outraged if you weren't dead i mean this is no were near funny guys this shows that us Americans are just as bad as thees other countries just think about it........
I know soldiers have to do their job and protect us and cannot save every civilian but this right here is wrong
here's a couple of words i found the soldiers exchanging "All you gotta do is pick up a weapon"a soldier said this while one of the wounded Iraq's were crawling on the ground trying to escape which i think he really wanted to shoot him for personal enjoyment. Another quote is "come on let us shoot" this was said when the other iraq's came in a van to help the wounded man which why would they kill civilians? I mean every person they saw from that Apache Helicopter they labeled as threats which i also find interesting... Well the last quote is "oh yeah look at that right through the window" and another soldier reply's with "ha ha"
when they look at the van they just destroyed with innocent children which are now left with out a dad because of these STUPID ASS SOLDIERS.
And this leads me to believe these soldiers FALSELY accused these Iraq's as threats, which they were not at all this is probably the worst thing I've seen done by the so called great Americans i cannot even begin to tell you how bad i feel for these innocent people and children.
Just think if that was you just an innocent reporter/photographer and just started getting shot at with and Apache Helicopter and you were NO threat all you would be like WTF! just wandering around just think that you saw a wounded civilian and you wanted to help him out and you start getting shot at by a Helicopter WITH your children in the car, you would be outraged if you weren't dead i mean this is no were near funny guys this shows that us Americans are just as bad as thees other countries just think about it........
I know soldiers have to do their job and protect us and cannot save every civilian but this right here is wrong
Don't you think that soldiers fighting in a war, regardless of its validity, has to re-tool his thinking to be a little colder? A little harder? A little insensitive? You see this with peace officers... they become a little numb to horrors of life. It's what you call coping.
Notice in my last post that I didn't say their actions should not have consequences. Those consequences might not be prosecution from a military court marshal... Those consequences may be as "simple" as living with those images, constant reminders that you pulled the trigger etc. I'm not saying this set of actions/events are justified... What I'm saying is we can't pass judgement on what they MIGHT have been carrying. Hindsight is always 20/20.
It's always easier to sit on your couch and say what coulda, woulda and shoulda been... It's a lot more complicated when you're in the heat of a situation and are FORCED to make a split second rational decision.
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04-06-2010, 06:37 PM
#24
Skytown420
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04-06-2010, 06:42 PM
#25
rjive
Love Big Titty Bitches
Originally posted by Skytown420
there was a couple of people carrying weapons...but none of them seemed to be hostile. Maybe a little overkill there with the people in the van tho.
possibly. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Think about it from a "criminal" point of view. If you're robbing a bank, would you want to leave behind evidence that it was you who robbed the bank? Or would you try and get all your men, weapons and evidence picked up before the police got there?!?!? A little rhetorical I know. The point I'm trying to make is that these soldiers see all sorts of things the insurgents do and have to act/respond based on their past experiences and training.
Wouldn't a story like this one continue to be fuel for the fire of both camps? Those who hate the west and those liberals who are against a war? So if it's possible that they were coming to clean up the scene and make it appear as if US military shot innocent civilians then wouldn't the actions of the US military personal in the video be correct? Again, rhetorical... I think you see my point.
04-06-2010, 06:49 PM
#26
Skytown420
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Originally posted by rjive
possibly. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Think about it from a "criminal" point of view. If you're robbing a bank, would you want to leave behind evidence that it was you who robbed the bank? Or would you try and get all your men, weapons and evidence picked up before the police got there?!?!? A little rhetorical I know. The point I'm trying to make is that these soldiers see all sorts of things the insurgents do and have to act/respond based on their past experiences and training.
Wouldn't a story like this one continue to be fuel for the fire of both camps? Those who hate the west and those liberals who are against a war? So if it's possible that they were coming to clean up the scene and make it appear as if US military shot innocent civilians then wouldn't the actions of the US military personal in the video be correct? Again, rhetorical... I think you see my point.
Think about it from a "criminal" point of view. If you're robbing a bank, would you want to leave behind evidence that it was you who robbed the bank? Or would you try and get all your men, weapons and evidence picked up before the police got there?!?!? A little rhetorical I know. The point I'm trying to make is that these soldiers see all sorts of things the insurgents do and have to act/respond based on their past experiences and training.
Wouldn't a story like this one continue to be fuel for the fire of both camps? Those who hate the west and those liberals who are against a war? So if it's possible that they were coming to clean up the scene and make it appear as if US military shot innocent civilians then wouldn't the actions of the US military personal in the video be correct? Again, rhetorical... I think you see my point.
Yea...I see your point. And you're right. That was just my personal opinion. They do what they do for a reason...they got the clearance to shoot and all so they did nothing wrong. And as for the reporters getting shot...IT'S WAR, you're going to get shot at, don't stand out in the open.
04-06-2010, 06:59 PM
#27
c0mpt0n
Haxor!
To say "its war, your going to get shot at", is abit dramatic isn't it?
Iraqi's still have the right to walk down a street with a camera without being shot at by an apache helicopter.
Imagine if you were those Iraqi's and you were walking down the street with your camera and an american helicopter started shooting at you, you'd be like WTF?
After a few views of that video, i believe those american soldiers clearly wanted to kill them people no matter who they were, they should be ashamed.
Iraqi's still have the right to walk down a street with a camera without being shot at by an apache helicopter.
Imagine if you were those Iraqi's and you were walking down the street with your camera and an american helicopter started shooting at you, you'd be like WTF?
After a few views of that video, i believe those american soldiers clearly wanted to kill them people no matter who they were, they should be ashamed.
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04-06-2010, 07:03 PM
#28
rjive
Love Big Titty Bitches
Originally posted by Skytown420
Yea...I see your point. And you're right. That was just my personal opinion. They do what they do for a reason...they got the clearance to shoot and all so they did nothing wrong. And as for the reporters getting shot...IT'S WAR, you're going to get shot at, don't stand out in the open.
yep. All parties involved (militart & press) know the risks when they get involved. What's sad is the innocent people who really get screwed in the cross fire.
How about another point that we should address? The Call of Duty series is awfully realistic. Does this create a generation of desensitized people? I mean when I get a chopper gunner it's a celebration, a reward for doing well in the game. On the opposite end of the gun fire are human beings. In the game it's all virtual however the realism of the AC130 videos and attack helicopter videos really give me a new perspective. What do you guys think? Should a video game be realistic?
I don't like that the US Army is accused of "video game behavior." Funny how the military has been around WAY longer than video games.
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Originally posted by c0mpt0n
To say "its war, your going to get shot at", is abit dramatic isn't it?
Iraqi's still have the right to walk down a street with a camera without being shot at by an apache helicopter.
Imagine if you were those Iraqi's and you were walking down the street with your camera and an american helicopter started shooting at you, you'd be like WTF?
After a few views of that video, i believe those american soldiers clearly wanted to kill them people no matter who they were, they should be ashamed.
Iraqi's still have the right to walk down a street with a camera without being shot at by an apache helicopter.
Imagine if you were those Iraqi's and you were walking down the street with your camera and an american helicopter started shooting at you, you'd be like WTF?
After a few views of that video, i believe those american soldiers clearly wanted to kill them people no matter who they were, they should be ashamed.
If you look at Iraq history... Iraqi's didn't have the right to walk down the street without certain restrictions. The previous dictator of that country had some seriously strict policies on what the people could and could not do. Most of the minor issues were punishable by sever treatments. I'm not saying I condone the war... that's not what this response is; pro war or anti-war. I'm simply saying that Iraqi citizens had grossly restricted rights under their previous ruler.
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