Post: Is Obama A Good president Or No???
05-12-2010, 05:21 PM #1
Saucy-_-
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Hey Guys ive seen alot of people on here making a post about obama being a good and bad President, So i was wondering what every one here thinks about it...

Please leave a comment on why you think hes bad or good...
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05-15-2010, 06:43 PM #65
itzbigant91
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Originally posted by JoKeR View Post
Of course there are plenty of uneducated democrats whos only arguments are "he's black so he's awesome" or "at least its not Bush" but when someone claims "Obama wasn't born here" or "he's the antichrist" its not just uneducated but its blindly following propaganda because they heard it on tv and instantly believe it without question which gets to me more.


people that say at least hes not as bad a Bush was shouldnt even be able to vote. i really think u should have a certain iq to vote imo.

also u got the people that just voted that never voted before because he is black descent. wouldve been a much closer race if people didnt look at this and want history to be made. shows how much people care for the country.

im just hating on the ignorant people, not him at the moment because its the second year. i just want to see what he actually does from the list of things he preached to 'change'.
05-15-2010, 06:46 PM #66
rjive
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Originally posted by Pricey91 View Post
Personally I think you should wait until the end of his presidency to judge him. Things don't just happen over night in politics, they sometimes take years. At the end you can see what has changed since he's been in power and weigh up if you are better or worse off.


While I tend to agree with you... time needs to be given to see one's plans out... At the rate this President is spending money, it's a bell that can never be un-rung. I guess in a simple argument, that's why I disapprove.

You can review my posts in this thread for the details on this. Smile
05-15-2010, 06:57 PM #67
Camaro
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Originally posted by Fletcher View Post
They are not your views, you simply copy and pasted. (Your trying to seem like you know real facts about Obama but you dont)

I dont know much about Us politics, but Obama has been trying to introduce Health care which I see as being beneficial to the U.S.

Obama is a change for the US in many ways, but way too many people are too quick to judge when it comes to a change, but sometimes a change is for the good.


Yea he's providing health care to everyone, but think about it, he isnt really helping people because he is raising the taxes to pay for the healthcare he is giving to people and that money is coming out of everyone's pocket, it isn't being payed for by him. Raising the taxes for something that isn't really a big necessity will just bring people into debt if they cannot afford such high taxes and what not. Didn't he also say he would bring ALL of the troops out of the war? Well I havent heard of that yet but a while back I did hear that he sent more troops in.. Obama hasn't done anything for the US in my opinion, he has given the U.S. empty promises. I also think a big reason he won was the fact that he would be the first African American to be president and almost every African American voted for him for that reason alone. That is just my opinion and i am entitled to say whatever I want.
05-15-2010, 06:57 PM #68
Originally posted by rjive View Post
ABC news story:
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2) Clearly President Obama has to be a US citizen to hold the office so we can dismiss that argument.

3) His mother is from Kansas. Father from Kenya. Raised in Hawaii. I have not found any racism from either parent in my research.

3) Friends with a terrorist - I presume you're talking about the relationship with You must login or register to view this content.. Bill Ayers is the founder of Weather Underground which is an open advocate for communism. You must login or register to view this content.


Originally posted by another user
Obama has been asked repeatedly to present a copy of his birth
certificate. Obama has refused to supply a copy of his birth
certificate. Is Obama eligible to be president?


Was Obama born in Kenya? I have two powerful sources that indicate
that Obama was born on Kenya. One is a reporter working behind the
scenes. The other is from the following site. The headline is shown
below and states:

“Kenyan-born OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination.”

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A poster on Larry Sinclair’s blog has provided the following
interpretation of whether Obama meets the citizenship status
to be president:

“MARK Says:
Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “Awesome faceecember 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

*** Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. *** Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, all the other info does not matter because his mother is the one who needed to have been a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16. Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the country for some time to protect any citizenship he would have had, rather than living in Indonesia. Now you can see why Obama’s aides stopped his speech about how we technically have more than 50 states, because it would have led to this discovery. This is very clear cut and a blaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Gov. Of California would be very insterested in knowing this if Obama were elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, and it would set precedence.

Obama supports the gruesome partial-birth abortion. Partial Birth Abortion is killing a child in the womb that is far enough along in pregnancy to survive outside the womb. Any abortion, in my opinion, is murder, but “late term abortion” is especially horrid. who all agrees with this

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05-15-2010, 08:52 PM #69
Pricey91
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Originally posted by rjive View Post
While I tend to agree with you... time needs to be given to see one's plans out... At the rate this President is spending money, it's a bell that can never be un-rung. I guess in a simple argument, that's why I disapprove.

You can review my posts in this thread for the details on this. Smile


You have to remember that we're in the worst global economic downturn in god knows how long. The only way out of it is to spend! If you don't get cash moving in the economy nothing is going to improve and you'll be at the economic equivalent of an old west showdown between the banks and the government.

You have to remember also that it's not all just spending, it's investing. Some of this money is going to have a return. I still feel the only way to tell if he has done well is at the end of his term. Maybe even longer than that, when you see what his investments have done for the country.

When it comes to things like law changes, I don't think any president should be judged on that. I might be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure all these changes have to be passed by congress. So if the opposition get there political knickers in a twist just to spite Obama, he has no chance.
05-15-2010, 09:16 PM #70
rjive
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Originally posted by Pricey91 View Post
You have to remember that we're in the worst global economic downturn in god knows how long. The only way out of it is to spend! If you don't get cash moving in the economy nothing is going to improve and you'll be at the economic equivalent of an old west showdown between the banks and the government.

You have to remember also that it's not all just spending, it's investing. Some of this money is going to have a return. I still feel the only way to tell if he has done well is at the end of his term. Maybe even longer than that, when you see what his investments have done for the country.

When it comes to things like law changes, I don't think any president should be judged on that. I might be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure all these changes have to be passed by congress. So if the opposition get there political knickers in a twist just to spite Obama, he has no chance.


You're right on a few things. We are in the worst US recession since the 1930s. There are several causes for that which I outlined in post 24 in this thread
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There are few thoughts that I have, specifically with the US recession.

1) Rather than force feeding recovery, we need to let a natural progression occur. The US owning 85% of a public company is not a natural progression... Selling off the business units of that company that are profitable and filing a BK on the rest is the more appropriate way to go.

2) Lowering fed funds interest rates to 0%, re-classifying certain banks (JP Morgan & Goldman Sachs) as investment banks so they can take advantage of those loans... trade the loan in the market, taking a huge amount of risk and being "too big to fail" is a deadly game. I don't think these banks have learned their lesson based on their activity.

3) Extending US debt to unreal levels is not the way to go. Most of the "recovery" money spent by Uncle Sam is packed full of special funding for those pet projects... on both sides of the isle. I think it would be important to spend as lilttle as possible to "save" the economy.

4) Globalization is here baby. We all recognize that. However, we can't be responsible for poor government management decisions, such as Greece. Greece is classified as a parliamentary republic... however it's actions are more socialist than anything. One of three people work for the government. That seems like a loosing equation. Smile Point being here is that a country can't screw up for 30 years and expect another country to bail them out.

Lastly, you're correct.... US Congress and House of Representatives have to pass these bills. The problem lies when everyone is on the same side of the isle... it's very one sided.

My point is that Obama Administration has spent a ton of money on their own bills that have nothing to do with economic recovery... those don't help this loosing situation we're in. Smile
05-16-2010, 01:27 AM #71
_Jake_
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Originally posted by shadow1994 View Post
Hey Guys ive seen alot of people on here makeing a post about obama being a good and bad President, So i was wondering what every one here thinks about it...

Please leave a comment on why you think hes bad or good...

Please +Rep If you think this is a good poll for us to have


I believe he is not a good president because all the stuff he promised ex. health care issues, are physically impossible to fix because of how bad our economy is. Also, a trillion dollars he promised to make health care better? Not happening.

He made a lot of promises to fix many things but are as I said before physically impossible to fix. So my opinion is no, he is not a good president.
05-16-2010, 03:47 AM #72
lol this shit is funny as hell
my frist post lol
05-16-2010, 09:56 AM #73
Pricey91
Professor of trollology
Originally posted by rjive View Post
You're right on a few things. We are in the worst US recession since the 1930s. There are several causes for that which I outlined in post 24 in this thread
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There are few thoughts that I have, specifically with the US recession.

1) Rather than force feeding recovery, we need to let a natural progression occur. The US owning 85% of a public company is not a natural progression... Selling off the business units of that company that are profitable and filing a BK on the rest is the more appropriate way to go.

2) Lowering fed funds interest rates to 0%, re-classifying certain banks (JP Morgan & Goldman Sachs) as investment banks so they can take advantage of those loans... trade the loan in the market, taking a huge amount of risk and being "too big to fail" is a deadly game. I don't think these banks have learned their lesson based on their activity.

3) Extending US debt to unreal levels is not the way to go. Most of the "recovery" money spent by Uncle Sam is packed full of special funding for those pet projects... on both sides of the isle. I think it would be important to spend as lilttle as possible to "save" the economy.

4) Globalization is here baby. We all recognize that. However, we can't be responsible for poor government management decisions, such as Greece. Greece is classified as a parliamentary republic... however it's actions are more socialist than anything. One of three people work for the government. That seems like a loosing equation. Smile Point being here is that a country can't screw up for 30 years and expect another country to bail them out.

Lastly, you're correct.... US Congress and House of Representatives have to pass these bills. The problem lies when everyone is on the same side of the isle... it's very one sided.

My point is that Obama Administration has spent a ton of money on their own bills that have nothing to do with economic recovery... those don't help this loosing situation we're in. Smile


You probably know more than I do about business, it's not my strong subject. You mentioned letting the economy come out of recession naturally. Sure it would work, recession and booms are just the way the world works. The question is, would waiting cost you more in the long run? With the rate countries like China are advancing at, America could fall behind which would be devastating for your economy. You could start to pick up again, and then suddenly be miles behind. This would drop you right back into that recession.

You also mention that Obama has spent money on things that have nothing to do with economic recovery. Every time someone spends money it's helping things along. It's making these companies more "cash rich" so they don't have to go and borrow ridiculous amounts of money from the banks at silly rates. As a knock on effect the banks will have to start too start being a bit looser with who the give loans too. They make there money off loans and if the companies who can guarantee a return don't need loans, they'll have to loan money to other to make a profit.

I'll say it again, I'm by no means an expert when it comes to business. My C grade at GCSE business isn't going to get me too far :P

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