Post: Prop 19: Marijuana Legalization in California
10-14-2010, 02:52 AM #1
420
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Basics:
This is a huge deal, on November 2nd, 2010, Voters will vote on the Legalization of Marijuana in California or Prop 19. If passed it will allow people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. There are a number of positive outcomes if passed, such as aiding the struggling economy.Such as permitting local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older. Savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders.

Originally posted by another user
On Nov. 2, Californians will vote on Proposition 19, deciding whether to legalize the production, sale and consumption of marijuana. If the initiative passes, it won't just be momentous for California; it may, at long last, offer Mexico the promise of an exit from our costly war on drugs.


Originally posted by another user
Passage of Prop 19 would therefore flip the terms of the debate about drug policy: If California legalizes marijuana, will it be viable for our country to continue hunting down drug lords in Tijuana? Will Wild West-style shootouts to stop Mexican cannabis from crossing the border make any sense when, just over that border, the local 7-Eleven sells pot?


Benefits:
-Anybody over 21 could posses 1 ounce of marijuana for personal consumption.
-May grow marijuana at a private residence in a space of up to 25 square feet for personal use.
-Smoke without worrying about the boys in blue Winky Winky

Government Regulations:
- Local government may authorize the retail sale of up to 1 ounce of marijuana per transaction, and regulate the hours and location of the business.
-Local government may authorize larger amounts of marijuana for personal possession and cultivation, or for commercial cultivation, transportation, and sale.
-Allows for the transportation of marijuana from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county, without regard to local laws of intermediate localities to the contrary.

Outcome:
-Create between 60,000 and 110,000 new jobs in California
-Generate between $1.2 billion and $1.4 billion in new direct tax revenue annually.
-Expand California's economy by between $16 billion and $23 billion annually
-Reduce state expenditures by over $200 million in law enforcement costs for arrests, prosecutions and imprisonment of cannabis users.

If passed, i think California would prosper, tourism would increase, the economy would improve, and us stoners will finally be able to smoke without a hassle. So all you voters in California, YES ON PROP 19!!! =D

Originally posted by another user
Imagine smoking weed in the streets without cops harassing
-NAS

I think NAS would also move to California Winky Winky.

*Let me hear your guys's point on this controversial topic*

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10-15-2010, 06:13 PM #38
Dan0692
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Originally posted by Skytown420 View Post
That was great...you said everything I would have said.


It is incredibly annoying when people write it off for no reason other than 'it makes fat lazy pot heads'. I don't see them banning McDonalds and other fast foods and that kills more people per year than cannabis does. Infact, cannabis has never killed a person.

It's also horrible to be looked down upon by parents and family when they see you're high, as if you've done something very bad like murdered someone. Uch!
10-15-2010, 06:27 PM #39
Thief
Dun Hate Cuz I Beautiful.
Originally posted by MR.420 View Post
thats DUI, drinking and driving man, and marijuana has NEVER caused anybody's "brain's to leek from their ears" what ever the fuk that means man, and trust me, driving while your high is NOT FATAL, i do it daily, and i smoke the best shit around, i have a medical marijuana license, so when i go to clinics, there is atleast 20 different strains which i can choose from, so it's always the best stuff, therefore getting me stoned, and after, i can drive fine. MARIJUANA IS NO WAY LIKE ALCOHOL, you have alot more learning to do if you still believe that. And i know marijuana has a different effect on different people, but its never something unheard of, nobody has over overdosed on weed or has ever killed somebody high, so no matter the effect, its never fatal and doesn't cause mortality. People might trip out a bit, but if anything, they will drive slower stoned, unlike alcohol man.


Please actually read the article, don't search weed.

Here from the article itself:

NORRISTOWN – During an emotional hearing, a Bucks County man was sentenced to prison for driving recklessly, under suspension and with traces of marijuana in his bloodstream at the time of a Montgomery Township crash that killed another driver.
10-15-2010, 07:05 PM #40
Skytown420
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Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
It is incredibly annoying when people write it off for no reason other than 'it makes fat lazy pot heads'. I don't see them banning McDonalds and other fast foods and that kills more people per year than cannabis does. Infact, cannabis has never killed a person.

It's also horrible to be looked down upon by parents and family when they see you're high, as if you've done something very bad like murdered someone. Uch!


Exactly. And honestly I smoke weed almost everyday and it doesn't make you lazy at all. I actually do more when I'm high. Now if you smoke non stop for awhile then yea you're going to pass out more than likely and not accomplish anything, but that's where the responsible adult part comes in. It is like alcohol in the fact that if you are not responsible with it, it will control you. If you have addictive tendencies then you shouldn't be using any drug at all.

My mom used to get after me for smoking weed all the time...my response to her, quit smoking cigarettes. That never happened.

For all the people that say it will cause more problems if it's legal, think about this...It is FACT that nobody has EVER died from marijuana use. This includes car accidents, there has never been a person to wreck while high.

Now I'm not going to say that marijuana is a miracle drug or anything of that sort, but it has been proven to slow the growth of cancer cells as well...anybody have a family member who has cancer?? Maybe marijuana could save their lives or maybe just keep them alive for a few more years. It has also been proven to relieve the pain of migraine headaches. I don't know if any of you have ever had an actual migraine, or know anybody that has, but they are VERY painful. And there is a LONG list of medical purposes for marijuana.

I guess my point is that there is no logical reason for it to be illegal. Most of you probably don't even know why it's illegal in the first place and that's why you are making these stupid assumptions. I could go into that but it's WAY too long and I've already typed too much.
10-15-2010, 07:09 PM #41
Dan0692
Molestation Enthusiast
Long story short for all those that want to know why it's illegal: It's something to do with a racist businessman who got bribed by the paper industry because hemp would take over and put them out of business.
10-15-2010, 07:15 PM #42
Skytown420
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Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
Long story short for all those that want to know why it's illegal: It's something to do with a racist businessman who got bribed by the paper industry because hemp would take over and put them out of business.


Also DuPont and the oil industry....
10-15-2010, 07:28 PM #43
Skytown420
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Originally posted by Thief View Post
Incase you didnt know, Narcotics have different reactions to everybody, other will need more to get a simple high, while others can smoke a dimebag and have their brains leaking out of their ears.

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there.

proof given.

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In all honesty, I have no problem with you, or with marijuana, I believe everybody should smoke atleast once to see what the whole deal is about, I have too, but to what extent, and what procedures should be placed, before we pass this law, should be implemented first.


and

@THE_JoKeR:

what was the point of "groaning" at my post, if it had no effect at all?

you groaned at my post, because I speak my mind?


Just saying...marijuana can be in your system for up to 30 days. He could have smoked a joint a week prior to the accident and it still would have showed up on any test.

It's hard to have a DUI of marijuana law because of that. That is why they are making it for responsible adults. Now, I understand not every adult is responsible, but I'm sure they will have some way to take care of them. When a person is put on probation for an alcohol related offense they are not allowed to enter a liquor store or they will be charged with violation of probation. I'm assuming something like this will be put in place for violators of the laws.

---------- Post added at 02:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:14 PM ----------

Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
Long story short for all those that want to know why it's illegal: It's something to do with a racist businessman who got bribed by the paper industry because hemp would take over and put them out of business.


Also DuPont and the oil industry....
10-15-2010, 08:02 PM #44
NeedaLifeSoon
Retired Life
Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
How many people do you see popping a bottle of whiskey before work? It'll be the same concept. Can't work under the influence.
So what's wrong with having a smoke after work?
I'm sure you're sitting there with a can of beer, and a fag in your mouth on a high horse saying ''I dont do drugs i'm better than you''.
Just because things are accepted in society and not prohibited doesn't mean they're ok to use all the time

If cannabis was legal and alcohol was illegal we wouldn't have violence like we do in the pubs, we wouldn't have police work as much at night clubs in the town, thus reducing work load on the police and trying to keep the drug illegal, saving both America and the UK from alcohol related violence. I've never in my days seen somebody high who wants to fight.

The money saved from this can go to cancer research, to save your sorry hypocritical life one day as 1/3 get cancer, especially from smoking cigarettes.

Also it'll prevent children from being led onto harder drugs. The dealers are the gateway, not the drug.

It's a great material for:
- Clothing
- Animal Feed
- Paper
- Medicine for the sick
- Can alleviate eczema
- Has anti inflammatory properties. Goodbye Rennies
- Building material
- Fuel
- Water and soil purification

It's very renewable and grows fast.

It will slow down or even so much as prevent global warming, it'll save the trees, it'll make lives easier, and most of all it won't affect you as an individual in absolutely any way.
So why the fuck are you bothered?
/end rant


I love the global warming pitch !!
Don't know how that would happen but throw it out there with the water purification one.
Never noticed any clean bong water though.

I would argue that the standard definition of alcohol impairment at .01 is no different than driving while buzzed.

I could drive for years at .01 and never have an accident. It doesn't mean I'm not impaired.
.05 or completely stoned is another matter.

They will HAVE to develop a testing measurement to determine what is impaired driving while under the influenece of marijuana.
10-15-2010, 08:15 PM #45
I don't live in Cali, but this morning I see people selling weed right next to City Hall. No one really cares...

Weed virgin :y:
10-15-2010, 08:31 PM #46
Fierceknucks
Former Staff
Cops will still bust people for DWI's, and that's a huge cash trap just like drunk driving.

Also, I'm not sure about this but I think if it passes, a person is only allowed to be in possession of less than an ounce WHEN TRANSPORTING. The Cultivation aspect: I think everyone is allowed to have a 12 x 12 plot in their backyard. No minors can smoke it, obviously.

This is a good thing, I've been waiting for a while. There's good hope for it, because I heard that there is already a factory built up in the Oakland area that will supply people with cultivation products in a mass produced fashion.

Problem is, it will most likely not pass, because people in California are idiots. If it does pass, it will immediately be appealed by the state legislature, because they're all faggots in Sacramento.

Don't get me wrong though, I want this shit to pass badly.

Another major problem is that most jobs probably still won't hire you if you smoke, but on the other hand, that just means that urine cleaning agents revenues will sky rocket.

EVERYONE who lives in california that is 18 or older should vote yes on this. But read the actual legislature, because sometimes they purposely will lie in order to make you vote yes even though voting yes makes it banned or some shit. Just like they did with Prop 8.

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