Post: Prop 19: Marijuana Legalization in California
10-14-2010, 02:52 AM #1
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Basics:
This is a huge deal, on November 2nd, 2010, Voters will vote on the Legalization of Marijuana in California or Prop 19. If passed it will allow people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. There are a number of positive outcomes if passed, such as aiding the struggling economy.Such as permitting local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older. Savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders.

Originally posted by another user
On Nov. 2, Californians will vote on Proposition 19, deciding whether to legalize the production, sale and consumption of marijuana. If the initiative passes, it won't just be momentous for California; it may, at long last, offer Mexico the promise of an exit from our costly war on drugs.


Originally posted by another user
Passage of Prop 19 would therefore flip the terms of the debate about drug policy: If California legalizes marijuana, will it be viable for our country to continue hunting down drug lords in Tijuana? Will Wild West-style shootouts to stop Mexican cannabis from crossing the border make any sense when, just over that border, the local 7-Eleven sells pot?


Benefits:
-Anybody over 21 could posses 1 ounce of marijuana for personal consumption.
-May grow marijuana at a private residence in a space of up to 25 square feet for personal use.
-Smoke without worrying about the boys in blue Winky Winky

Government Regulations:
- Local government may authorize the retail sale of up to 1 ounce of marijuana per transaction, and regulate the hours and location of the business.
-Local government may authorize larger amounts of marijuana for personal possession and cultivation, or for commercial cultivation, transportation, and sale.
-Allows for the transportation of marijuana from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county, without regard to local laws of intermediate localities to the contrary.

Outcome:
-Create between 60,000 and 110,000 new jobs in California
-Generate between $1.2 billion and $1.4 billion in new direct tax revenue annually.
-Expand California's economy by between $16 billion and $23 billion annually
-Reduce state expenditures by over $200 million in law enforcement costs for arrests, prosecutions and imprisonment of cannabis users.

If passed, i think California would prosper, tourism would increase, the economy would improve, and us stoners will finally be able to smoke without a hassle. So all you voters in California, YES ON PROP 19!!! =D

Originally posted by another user
Imagine smoking weed in the streets without cops harassing
-NAS

I think NAS would also move to California Winky Winky.

*Let me hear your guys's point on this controversial topic*

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10-15-2010, 08:42 PM #47
looks like im moving =D
10-15-2010, 09:31 PM #48
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Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
How many people do you see popping a bottle of whiskey before work? It'll be the same concept. Can't work under the influence.
So what's wrong with having a smoke after work?
I'm sure you're sitting there with a can of beer, and a fag in your mouth on a high horse saying ''I dont do drugs i'm better than you''.
Just because things are accepted in society and not prohibited doesn't mean they're ok to use all the time

If cannabis was legal and alcohol was illegal we wouldn't have violence like we do in the pubs, we wouldn't have police work as much at night clubs in the town, thus reducing work load on the police and trying to keep the drug illegal, saving both America and the UK from alcohol related violence. I've never in my days seen somebody high who wants to fight.

The money saved from this can go to cancer research, to save your sorry hypocritical life one day as 1/3 get cancer, especially from smoking cigarettes.

Also it'll prevent children from being led onto harder drugs. The dealers are the gateway, not the drug.

It's a great material for:
- Clothing
- Animal Feed
- Paper
- Medicine for the sick
- Can alleviate eczema
- Has anti inflammatory properties. Goodbye Rennies
- Building material
- Fuel
- Water and soil purification

It's very renewable and grows fast.

It will slow down or even so much as prevent global warming, it'll save the trees, it'll make lives easier, and most of all it won't affect you as an individual in absolutely any way.
So why the fuck are you bothered?
/end rant


I don't drink or do drugs btw.

Originally posted by another user
Also it'll prevent children from being led onto harder drugs.


Kids would skip class and get horrible grades.

Children would grow up being imbeciles. I respect your opinion but I don't think weed should be legal because of the future of this country.

Increase Number of Abusers.
Legalization of marijuana would lead to increase in number of people who abuse drugs. Legalization of the drug would give freedom for those who do not use it to start taking the drug. This is because, in the society, there are many people who do not take marijuana because it is prohibited by law. Legalizing it would make these people start taking it hence increasing the number of drug abusers in the society.

Increase in Drug Related Crimes.
The increase in drug abuse would then lead to increase of drug abuse related crimes, for example, rape and theft. Studies have shown that most of the people arrested of committing crimes are abusers of various drugs. Therefore, legalizing of Marijuana would make many people turn into crime and engage in violence. This will not only affect the individual but the society in general because of reduction of manpower. It also means that the government will spend more resources in dealing with crime.


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Originally posted by another user
Now if you smoke non stop for awhile then yea you're going to pass out more than likely and not accomplish anything, but that's where the responsible adult part comes in


If it is legal, you will smoke even more! You will be too high to even think of stopping.
10-15-2010, 09:38 PM #49
Dan0692
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Originally posted by .Robot View Post
I don't drink or do drugs btw.



Kids would skip class and get horrible grades.


I don't see many kids skipping class to drink some vodka? I know it happens, but them kids are destined to fail anyway.

Originally posted by .Robot View Post

Children would grow up being imbeciles. I respect your opinion but I don't think weed should be legal because of the future of this country.


Why the focus on children? There'd be an age limit anyway as there is on alcohol, and alcohol kills more brain cells anyway. You just have this stigma of a stoner being a wash out and not knowing anything, when in actual fact that stigma is taken whilst they're under the influence of the drug. Hence the nickname, dope. Infact a lot of people who use cannabis and preach it's legality with good justification and legal/medicinal benefits, are not imbeciles atall.


Originally posted by .Robot View Post

Increase Number of Abusers.
Legalization of marijuana would lead to increase in number of people who abuse drugs. Legalization of the drug would give freedom for those who do not use it to start taking the drug. This is because, in the society, there are many people who do not take marijuana because it is prohibited by law. Legalizing it would make these people start taking it hence increasing the number of drug abusers in the society.


Yes there will be increase abusers, and users, but this will take them away from alcohol, and when it comes to the cut i'd rather have a load of people abusing cannabis than alcohol. Good look finding a pothead that's killed himself from an OD. In fact, pot doesn't ruin lives. It's the people who view pot like you do, and the law. The drug itself is medicinal, fun, opens your mind to new ideas and a great material for many things as mentioned before.

Originally posted by .Robot View Post

Increase in Drug Related Crimes.
The increase in drug abuse would then lead to increase of drug abuse related crimes, for example, rape and theft. Studies have shown that most of the people arrested of committing crimes are abusers of various drugs. Therefore, legalizing of Marijuana would make many people turn into crime and engage in violence. This will not only affect the individual but the society in general because of reduction of manpower. It also means that the government will spend more resources in dealing with crime.


Ok this one is ridiculous. The fact that it's illegal means kids have to go to shifty dealers to get the drugs, and there's a lot of criminal debt, violence and deaths in the underground drug scene. Like I said, good luck finding a pot head who fights all the time. Obviously you have no idea about cannabis and you've just had propaganda and traditional values drilled into you by your family and the people around you. The amount of money wasted on imprisoning people for having a little pot, or selling it is ridiculous. It'd actually save money from decriminalising it, and further more GAIN money if the government sell and tax it. So your argument has no merit. They'd gain money if anything.

Originally posted by .Robot View Post

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The war on drugs is failing, creating more crime to bring the drugs into places illegally and creating dangerous jobs for desperate kids. It's creating more crime than it's preventing. Obviously you can't see the bigger picture, and it's a bit upsetting as in a few generations people will look back on this period and think ''What the hell were they thinking with the war on drugs?''

And no, I don't condone the use of drugs, although cannabis has so many pro's that outweigh it's cons, it'd make multivitamin tablets look like a shit stain
10-15-2010, 09:44 PM #50
.Robot
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Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
I don't see many kids skipping class to drink some vodka? I know it happens, but them kids are destined to fail anyway.



Why the focus on children? There'd be an age limit anyway as there is on alcohol, and alcohol kills more brain cells anyway. You just have this stigma of a stoner being a wash out and not knowing anything, when in actual fact that stigma is taken whilst they're under the influence of the drug. Hence the nickname, dope. Infact a lot of people who use cannabis and preach it's legality with good justification and legal/medicinal benefits, are not imbeciles atall.




Yes there will be increase abusers, and users, but this will take them away from alcohol, and when it comes to the cut i'd rather have a load of people abusing cannabis than alcohol. Good look finding a pothead that's killed himself from an OD. In fact, pot doesn't ruin lives. It's the people who view pot like you do, and the law. The drug itself is medicinal, fun, opens your mind to new ideas and a great material for many things as mentioned before.



Ok this one is ridiculous. The fact that it's illegal means kids have to go to shifty dealers to get the drugs, and there's a lot of criminal debt, violence and deaths in the underground drug scene. Like I said, good luck finding a pot head who fights all the time. Obviously you have no idea about cannabis and you've just had propaganda and traditional values drilled into you by your family and the people around you. The amount of money wasted on imprisoning people for having a little pot, or selling it is ridiculous. It'd actually save money from decriminalising it, and further more GAIN money if the government sell and tax it. So your argument has no merit. They'd gain money if anything.



[url]www.ilickthegovernmentsass.com[/url]

Do doctors smoke weed? Do lawyers smoke weed? Do teachers smoke weed? They are successful! They chose do do the right thing and stay away from drugs.

Like I said before, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. There are responsible pot smokers but very little. The majority of pot smokers are very unsuccessful people! I am not saying you are lazy and unsuccessful but most pot smokers are.

My dad always told me not to smoke or do harmful things to my body and I am doing just fine.

Whatece
10-15-2010, 09:46 PM #51
Dan0692
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Originally posted by .Robot View Post

My dad always told me not to smoke or do harmful things to my body and I am doing just fine.


BINGO! We have a winner. Ding ding ding ding.
And this is why you victimise a plant being used for thousands of years.
Amazing.

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10-15-2010, 09:49 PM #52
.Robot
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Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
I don't see many kids skipping class to drink some vodka? I know it happens, but them kids are destined to fail anyway.



Why the focus on children? There'd be an age limit anyway as there is on alcohol, and alcohol kills more brain cells anyway. You just have this stigma of a stoner being a wash out and not knowing anything, when in actual fact that stigma is taken whilst they're under the influence of the drug. Hence the nickname, dope. Infact a lot of people who use cannabis and preach it's legality with good justification and legal/medicinal benefits, are not imbeciles atall.




Yes there will be increase abusers, and users, but this will take them away from alcohol, and when it comes to the cut i'd rather have a load of people abusing cannabis than alcohol. Good look finding a pothead that's killed himself from an OD. In fact, pot doesn't ruin lives. It's the people who view pot like you do, and the law. The drug itself is medicinal, fun, opens your mind to new ideas and a great material for many things as mentioned before.



Ok this one is ridiculous. The fact that it's illegal means kids have to go to shifty dealers to get the drugs, and there's a lot of criminal debt, violence and deaths in the underground drug scene. Like I said, good luck finding a pot head who fights all the time. Obviously you have no idea about cannabis and you've just had propaganda and traditional values drilled into you by your family and the people around you. The amount of money wasted on imprisoning people for having a little pot, or selling it is ridiculous. It'd actually save money from decriminalising it, and further more GAIN money if the government sell and tax it. So your argument has no merit. They'd gain money if anything.



[url]www.ilickthegovernmentsass.com[/url]

Do doctors smoke weed? Do lawyers smoke weed? Do teachers smoke weed? They are successful! They chose do do the right thing and stay away from drugs.

Like I said before, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION. There are responsible pot smokers but very little. The majority of pot smokers are very unsuccessful people! I am not saying you are lazy and unsuccessful but most pot smokers are.

My dad always told me not to smoke or do harmful things to my body and I am doing just fine.

Whatever though. Thats my opinion. I actually like have this discussion because it is very amusing. I have nothing against you though, please don't think that. I think you are a very smart person by the way you post.......

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Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
BINGO! We have a winner. Ding ding ding ding.
And this is why you victimise a plant being used for thousands of years.
Amazing.


Well I am doing fine and I assume you are too. I like being drug free and I am simply expressing my opinion.

My dad was a drug user but is now clean. He has been clean for about 14 years. He knows what he is talking about.
10-15-2010, 09:55 PM #53
Dan0692
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Originally posted by .Robot View Post
My dad was a drug user but is now clean. He has been clean for about 14 years. He knows what he is talking about.


I completely understand why you're against it. Subjective reasoning. The same concept as being born into religion. Your father had a drug problem, so you see all drugs as being bad because your father couldn't control the lure of drugs?

I do understand. My parents are the reason i'll never smoke (they smoke). But you need to know not to victimise something because it ruins somebodies life. McDonalds ruins peoples lives everyday, yet people still drop in for a double cheeseburger.
We drive cars everyday, yet there's thousands of people being killed all the time by them. I don't see people trying to put a ban on cars because some people are careless with them.

It's down to the individual to be able to use something, and not abuse it and have a reasonable will power. Anything in excess is bad, but you shouldn't want to keep something that could potentially be so beneficial to society, illegal because your father had a drug problem. It's a bit selfish don't you think?

Btw i'm not trying to offend you or your fathers problem, I understand drug problems can be horrible, as can any problems relating to something somebody can't stop doing. Eating, drinking, gambling. Doesn't mean they're bad, but there's a limit.

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10-15-2010, 09:59 PM #54
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Originally posted by Dan0692 View Post
I completely understand why you're against it. Subjective reasoning. The same concept as being born into religion. Your father had a drug problem, so you see all drugs as being bad because your father couldn't control the lure of drugs?

I do understand. My parents are the reason i'll never smoke (they smoke). But you need to know not to victimise something because it ruins somebodies life. McDonalds ruins peoples lives everyday, yet people still drop in for a double cheeseburger.
We drive cars everyday, yet there's thousands of people being killed all the time by them. I don't see people trying to put a ban on cars because some people are careless with them.

It's down to the individual to be able to use something, and not abuse it and have a reasonable will power. Anything in excess is bad, but you shouldn't want to keep something that could potentially be so beneficial to society, illegal because your father had a drug problem. It's a bit selfish don't you think?

Btw i'm not trying to offend you or your fathers problem, I understand drug problems can be horrible, as can any problems relating to something somebody can't stop doing. Eating, drinking, gambling. Doesn't mean they're bad, but there's a limit.


Best post I have ever seen in my life. You are a very intelligent person! :y:

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10-15-2010, 11:28 PM #55
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YES.Even though im only 15.I imagine being 21 and not having worry bout them cops

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