Post: The Atomic Bomb
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04-13-2011, 04:24 AM
#20
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Sios
While the Atomic Bomb was [probably, uncertain] the reason for the start of the Cold War, the bombing of Japan definetely wasn't the reason why.
Perhaps the introduced destructive force could've spurred interested but definetely Japan had no play in it.
Perhaps the introduced destructive force could've spurred interested but definetely Japan had no play in it.
Yes it did. When Russia invaded Manchuria we had begun to stress some. They were approaching their nuclear weapons and had begun to control a large piece of land with numerous resources. If anything the Nuke was just to show the power we controlled and to end the war and stop any further progression by Russia.
04-13-2011, 04:29 AM
#21
glitchplz
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by Just4Hax
Thats bull. More importantly we could have just used a blockade and let their resources dwindle to absolute nothing at that point.
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In a broadcast from Tokyo the next day, August 10, the Japanese government announced its readiness to accept the joint American-British "unconditional surrender" declaration of Potsdam, "with the understanding that the said declaration does not compromise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler."
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I also found this on Wikipedia and my teacher told me this.
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In a broadcast from Tokyo the next day, August 10, the Japanese government announced its readiness to accept the joint American-British "unconditional surrender" declaration of Potsdam, "with the understanding that the said declaration does not compromise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign Ruler."
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I also found this on Wikipedia and my teacher told me this.
Your source is a very iffy source. Also I have found information that counters it and shows the opposite. Their sole source of information is from a radical persona Gar Alperovitz. He has stated that he began his ideas through assumptions, "Since my own work helped initiate the case for an assumption based theory". Information is twisted and misused in this situation. Other various sources stated Japan secretly held a meeting with the Soviets asking for peace not the U.S. There were also kamikaze attacks during the beginning of April to the end of May, not signs of peace. The newly formed Japanese government was continuing assaults on Americans. Also Japan was given the choice of peace before the bomb was dropped, the declined, and after the first bomb was dropped, they didn't ask for peace. If you can find more information on the supposed "document" in April please share it, otherwise I do not feel there is sufficient evidence of a request for peace with the United States.
04-13-2011, 04:38 AM
#23
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by Sios
Wait, you lost me - "stop any further progression by Russia" ? Wasn't the whole idea of the Cold War was that each had possessed nuclear power and it was uncertain as to who was going to fire first?
Also, didn't Russia progress through the Space Age?
Also, didn't Russia progress through the Space Age?
The progression was them taking China. Yes. Yes.
04-13-2011, 04:53 AM
#25
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by glitchplz
Your source is a very iffy source. Also I have found information that counters it and shows the opposite. Their sole source of information is from a radical persona Gar Alperovitz. He has stated that he began his ideas through assumptions, "Since my own work helped initiate the case for an assumption based theory". Information is twisted and misused in this situation. Other various sources stated Japan secretly held a meeting with the Soviets asking for peace not the U.S. There were also kamikaze attacks during the beginning of April to the end of May, not signs of peace. The newly formed Japanese government was continuing assaults on Americans. Also Japan was given the choice of peace before the bomb was dropped, the declined, and after the first bomb was dropped, they didn't ask for peace. If you can find more information on the supposed "document" in April please share it, otherwise I do not feel there is sufficient evidence of a request for peace with the United States.
"The codebreakers: the story of secret writing" by David Kahn
Mark Weber stated this as well.
Dennis D. Wainstock - "unconditional surrender was a policy of revenge, and it hurt America's national self-interest. It prolonged the war in both Europe and East Asia, and it helped to expand Soviet power in those areas." (This is after Japan offered a conditional surrender)
04-13-2011, 04:57 AM
#26
glitchplz
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by Just4Hax
"The codebreakers: the story of secret writing" by David Kahn
Mark Weber stated this as well.
Dennis D. Wainstock - "unconditional surrender was a policy of revenge, and it hurt America's national self-interest. It prolonged the war in both Europe and East Asia, and it helped to expand Soviet power in those areas." (This is after Japan offered a conditional surrender)
Mark Weber stated this as well.
Dennis D. Wainstock - "unconditional surrender was a policy of revenge, and it hurt America's national self-interest. It prolonged the war in both Europe and East Asia, and it helped to expand Soviet power in those areas." (This is after Japan offered a conditional surrender)
They were using Gar Alperovitz as their source, which leads to one source on the issue though.
04-13-2011, 05:08 AM
#27
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by glitchplz
They were using Gar Alperovitz as their source, which leads to one source on the issue though.
Yes, but you must remember in April 1945 Japan elected Prime Minister Empire of Japan Kantarō Suzuki. Who was seeking for an end to the war. He was chosen after the last prime minister left as he knew they were losing.
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