Post: Gays born that way?
04-14-2011, 11:50 PM #1
Norman
NORMAN
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So I came across some people today talking about the day of science. Now that provoked me to think, why should gays automatically get our respect? I asked some of them and they said it was because they were born that way. Thet they have no choice. Now being the person I am, I was thinking "proof or gtfo" lol. So what do you think? Are gays really born that way? I personally say no.
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04-15-2011, 12:36 AM #11
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by love
Wow.. Um that's total atheism right there.

Actually thats 9th grade Biology.

Originally posted by another user
Why if we have preset thinking processes makes it such a stereotype for black people to get terrible grades?

I didn't even know that was a stereotype. Most likely due to the fact that many African-american homes aren't as well setup for a school schedule.

Originally posted by another user
I'm not saying all of them do, but when you go to a public school, with 2000 kids, you would get the picture.

I go to school with 1500 kids, all ethnicities, and different religions and sexual preferences... your point?

Originally posted by another user
Any ways, they think that just because their black, means they have to follow a certain standard, and they are so used to it, it's natural for them.

I've had 3 African-American friends and not a single one thought because of their skin color it meant they had to follow a stereotype. In fact, they ignored skin color just like many do.

Originally posted by another user
Same as how gays started to follow a standard, now it's just seems natural for them. Also when you look back about 100 years, there was almost no such thing as gay people in the US. Now there more popular just because of god knows what, but it's a trend.

That's because back then Christianity, and other forms of religion had such a grip on society and it decided being homosexual was wrong. You don't think there were any at all though?

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Originally posted by love
Well thing is I believe every one has a choice with this senario. There's been many people with the same child hood as gays, even worse, and came out straight. But there's definitely an influence on people.

Are you joking? Each persons scenario combined with genetics and brain patterns has the influence. You think they just decide to be gay just for the hell of it.

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Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
Please. Gays have been around as far back as the 18th century, probably earlier.

Personally, I'm going to say that gays aren't born that way, but it's still out of their control. I believe that sexual preference is something that is formed by your environment. Be it a few traumatizing moments in childhood, or just the people you hang out with. I assume that being gay is much like having a fetish (albeit a strong one), I'll use a foot fetish as an example. What biological reason would there be for sexual attraction to feet? None. So why would someone become attracted to them? External influencers.

Yeah I would agree with you on your last statement. But I don't believe its just external influences as their mind plays a factor as processing the data. Experiences + Genetics = Who you are.
04-15-2011, 12:54 AM #12
Norman
NORMAN
Tis should pretty much answer your answers. But I'm on the iPad so excuse my spelling if I make any errors. Alright to start, my school is made up of 2000 students. And about 750 of them are black, about 500 are Mexican, and about 750 are white. Excluding other very small numbered races of coarse. Now when you go through the halls, you notice that there's very little amounts of people hanging out with multi cultural groups. Now the black people, in general get very bad grades. Why? It's because of new age trends leading towered races starting to follow each other. Just like how asians get very good grades, black people get very bad grades, in both occasions we have a few exceptions with a coup,e Asians getting bad grades, and a couple blacks getting good grades, but keep in mind, that's bout 5 people who cross the trend. The blacks that get good grades usually hang out with many races, and same goes for the asians. Now it comes to gay people, and how would you explain what makes the trend so cool, I dont know, but I know that there are people who have changed from gay to totally straight. But the fact is, that people come to a trend, not with race, but as a total media trend, showing that gay is a very "common and accepted" life style. Yes there were gays even in the beginning of America, but just recently it's became more of a accepted life style, where as back in the day, it wasn't very accepted. So why? If it wasnt accepted back then, and there was less, and now it is accepted, and more people convert into it, shows that being gay started from parents or genes. And what started the recent boom in being gay if it was something genetic?
04-15-2011, 01:17 AM #13
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by love
Alright to start, my school is made up of 2000 students. And about 750 of them are black, about 500 are Mexican, and about 750 are white. Excluding other very small numbered races of coarse. Now when you go through the halls, you notice that there's very little amounts of people hanging out with multi cultural groups.

Thats because we tend to hang out with people of our same situation if preferable. People also tend to hang out with people of the same interests as well or same qualities.

Originally posted by another user
Now the black people, in general get very bad grades. Why? It's because of new age trends leading towered races starting to follow each other. Just like how asians get very good grades, black people get very bad grades

First off, that is partially incorrect. Most African Americans households are different from Caucasian households. This is do for many reasons, but I will not get into that. Along with the fact most African Americans can't afford college so there is less of a reason to aim high.

Now my Asian friends have households that put grades first. Why? Because when many Chinese originally settled in America the parents wanted their children to do well so they put grades first and that has become a custom.

Originally posted by another user
The blacks that get good grades usually hang out with many races, and same goes for the asians.

That is because if someone hangs out with someone who's future is already limited they will attempt less.

Originally posted by another user
Now it comes to gay people, and how would you explain what makes the trend so cool, I dont know, but I know that there are people who have changed from gay to totally straight.

You don't know, but you do know? Name some for me. Also I never said it was just birth, it is also their environment.

Originally posted by another user
But the fact is, that people come to a trend, not with race, but as a total media trend, showing that gay is a very "common and accepted" life style.

I agree, but this doesn't help you. If someone who is gay chooses to be because of the media, doesn't this mean he was already gay?

Originally posted by another user
Yes there were gays even in the beginning of America, but just recently it's became more of a accepted life style, where as back in the day, it wasn't very accepted. So why? If it wasnt accepted back then, and there was less, and now it is accepted, and more people convert into it, shows that being gay started from parents or genes. And what started the recent boom in being gay if it was something genetic?

It has become accepted we are becoming less prejudice.
04-15-2011, 02:05 AM #14
the stuff
League Champion
I've taken a few Human Development and Sociology courses and I will say this: infants can be born with more estrogen levels than others, which can increase the likelihood of changing their sexual orientation but it's the environmental factors that influence this change.
04-15-2011, 02:19 AM #15
Norman
NORMAN
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
Thats because we tend to hang out with people of our same situation if preferable. People also tend to hang out with people of the same interests as well or same qualities.


First off, that is partially incorrect. Most African Americans households are different from Caucasian households. This is do for many reasons, but I will not get into that. Along with the fact most African Americans can't afford college so there is less of a reason to aim high.

Now my Asian friends have households that put grades first. Why? Because when many Chinese originally settled in America the parents wanted their children to do well so they put grades first and that has become a custom.


That is because if someone hangs out with someone who's future is already limited they will attempt less.


You don't know, but you do know? Name some for me. Also I never said it was just birth, it is also their environment.


I agree, but this doesn't help you. If someone who is gay chooses to be because of the media, doesn't this mean he was already gay?


It has become accepted we are becoming less prejudice.


Were not being prejudice, were loosing sight of what's right or wrong. It is their envioremnt, combined with their own coping skills.
04-15-2011, 02:20 AM #16
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by love
Were not being prejudice, were loosing sight of what's right or wrong. It is their envioremnt, combined with their own coping skills.

Are you saying its wrong to be gay? So does that mean if I disagree with any group I can label them wrong, because there are quite a few I have, all peoples own choices.
04-15-2011, 02:24 AM #17
Norman
NORMAN
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
Are you saying its wrong to be gay? So does that mean if I disagree with any group I can label them wrong, because there are quite a few I have, all peoples own choices.


Let's put it this way, I believe it's unnatural. I believe that the homosexual content of this earth was not ment to exist, and never wanted to exist, but this also plays a role in my religion. God gave us free will, and he also did not want homosexuality, but gave us the choice as that's the free will for us. If your not christain, you might not feel the same way.
04-15-2011, 02:41 AM #18
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by love
Let's put it this way, I believe it's unnatural. I believe that the homosexual content of this earth was not ment to exist, and never wanted to exist, but this also plays a role in my religion. God gave us free will, and he also did not want homosexuality, but gave us the choice as that's the free will for us. If your not christain, you might not feel the same way.

I am an atheist, just to be frank about it (Why I lead earlier on about hate on other groups). What difference does it make if they are gay? It hardly effects your daily life. If (according to what your saying) they are choosing to be it, are they not allowed to choose it?
04-15-2011, 02:52 AM #19
Millz
Worth the Weight
Yes. I say that they are born that way. Although I do agree that the Media has a small role in the matter, most people are born Gay, as it is something that can scientifically happen, has something to do with the males "fluid".

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