(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So I came across some people today talking about the day of science. Now that provoked me to think, why should gays automatically get our respect? I asked some of them and they said it was because they were born that way. Thet they have no choice. Now being the person I am, I was thinking "proof or gtfo" lol. So what do you think? Are gays really born that way? I personally say no.

Whether sexual orientation is a trait we are born with (nature) or is caused by the environment we are raised in (nurture) has been debated by scientists, religious leaders, elected officials, and the general public. my answer is yes, your born gay.

Clearly you didn't read my post. You say you don't think gays are "born that way" yet give no reasons whatsoever for thinking like this. It's nothing more that homophobia, you don't want to accept that they're born that way, but they are. You say it's not your business so if you feel so apathetic, why comment. How about you take another (or in your case the first) look at the scientific examples I gave earlier.

Quite frankly I find it offensive and consider it an embarrasment for the forum that there are so many people that just declare that gay people are not born that way as though you've got some kind of hidden knowledge. Most of you haven't even left high school yet, show so f*cking respect to other and stop judging people on things most of you are too young, inexperienced and ignorantly naive to understand. The vast majority of you are still virgins and have never experienced a sexual relationship. Know you f*cking place you disingenuious, rank, arrogant children. You are the reason gay people have a reported 300% suicide rate and in many wester countries as they're baited and bullied in school and college, and still cannot legally marry or adopt. How dare you treats others with such disrespect decreeing without any right, knowledge or reason what or who they are when you have no clue what you're talking about.

48 of you voted in this poll to say you don't think gay people are born gay. I hope each and every one of you feels some semblance of shame when you read the multiple sources I've posted and realise how ignorant you are.

Read my post!

There are multiple formative differences in homosexual and heterosexual people, the most notable of these is in the formation of the brain (and yes, this is set from birth and impossible to change). In homosexuals, the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus, (the hypothalamus being the part of the brain that regulates the nervous system, controls hunger, thirst, fatigue, sleep, hormone secretion, circadian cycle and sex drive), is significantly smaller. The cells are also more densely packed and have a more tense membrane. Discovered by Dr. LeVay in 1991 and published in the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, San Diego, CA 92186.

The anterior commissure is also larger in gays than in straights, a part of the brain used for connecting the two hemispheres of the brain, it's also used to regulate pain meaning not only do gay people have a lower pain threshold, but they feel more pain from emotional distress than straights. Discovered by Laura Allen and Roger Gorski in 1991 of University of California, Los Angeles.

Gay peoples brains also react differently to Fluoxetine, a selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor class antidepressant due to the differences in brain structure, as such gay people are more likely to experience serotonin deficiencies, which can result in eating disorders and are less receptive to antidepressants and thus more likely to develop depression and anxiety dissorders. Discovered by Dr's Kinnunen, Moltz, Metz and Cooper in 2004 of University of Chicago.

The most telling however is surprisingly the amygdala (that's the part of the brain that's responsible for our animal instincts, fear, lust and memory. It processes emotional reactions and is the part of the brain than enables us to use logic rather than our base instincts. It is one of the most important parts of the brain for differentiating humans from other animals). The amygdala in gays is more densely packed and capable of more neural activity than that of straight people. What this means is gay people are capable of controlling their temper and lusts easier, have greater short term memory capabilties and are able to have longer and more intense orgasms than straight people. Discovered by Dr's. Safron, Barch, Bailey et al, in 2007 for Northwestern University, Evanston. IL 60208 USA.

PS: Before anyone accuses me of being insulting, unfair or unreasonable I want to make the blatently clear. 48 of you accused ME! of being unnatural and of deciding of my own free will to be one of the most misunderstood, mistrusted and generally hated groups in the world. Why the f*ck would I be that stupid? Before you even dare to act insulted think for a moment how insulting this entire thread has been to me.

Gay kids dont know they are gay until they get older and get into finding a gf or bf, and so they "discover" that they are gay. But, they are born gay, my science teacher said that its the wrong genes and chromogene *not too sure of the grammar because im in a french school* and so they turn gay or lesbian

I don't quite understand the end of your post; are you yourself not a heterosexual, or are you just offended by the constant ignorance and distasteful hatred?

Forgive me for asking what could be considered quite a personal question, only your statements have piqued my curiosity.

I am bisexual actually, which is probably more misunderstood than even homosexuality as people have great difficulty understanding that there are more than just two sexualities. Unfortunately, bisexuality has never had medical journals published about it, there's never been studies on it, and no-one really considers it in the medical arena. Which is understandable, there's so much hatred an misinformation on homosexuality already, complicating issues will only cause the brains of the willfully ignorant to overload. As you can imagine though this is not exactly the easiest thing to come to a realisation on. I'm neither gay nor straight. I want to raise a family and seek out female companionship yet I'm physically attracted to both genders and for entirely different reasons.

I have been in a physical relationship with 7 women and only 1 guy, although I've dated other people (of both genders) it never went so far as to become sexual. The stigma and hatred I have recieved has actually been quite low, the UK is pretty liberal and pro-gay rights, especially in the north where I live, however when I do get it it's exceptionally hate filled and vile. As I'm sure you can appreciate, I find it deeply offensive that people would be so ignorant about this topic. I wouldn't mind so much if people had posted something like, "I don't think people are born gay, I think it's probably cultural influences that make them gay but I don't honestly know". The opinion doesn't bother me, it's the fact that I posted a detailed response citing multiple medical studies PROVING gay people are born gay and within 24 hours another ignorant child posts "I don't think gay people are born that way" as though his opinion means anything to anyone. All it does it highlight his ignorance and unwillingness to read the information given to him only a couple of posts earlier. The knee-jerk reaction caused by a homophobic media and often religiously motivated misinformation that tells people to ignore the facts and to make shit up to give you an excuse to blame people for who they are. That's why this is a personal issue.

People all too quickly assume that people on the internet are anonymous machines with no feelings, past, insight or knowledge. They fail to realise that when they're spouting their ignorance they could be deeply offending many people around them and I guarentee that on this forum of over 70,000 members it won't just be me who's upset at this. This forum has thousands of gay members, and I am not exaggerating this. Each and every one of those people will be seeing this topic in the same light as someone posting something along the lines of "Black people, are they really human or are they an inferior species". I hope this makes my reaction a little more understandable.

I am myself a pansexual, so I can do nothing but agree with your reasoning. I don't receive a lot of blind hatred from my peers, yet I don't quite think my friends (more-so my friends that I see on a daily basis than just in school through the halls) quite accept it.

One of my friends is a die-hard Christian, and although he says he's okay with the fact that I'm "essentially gay", as he puts it, I'm not so sure.

I haven't even been able to tell any of my relatives, as I don't know how they'll react. I know from past discussions that their stance on homosexuality isn't a negative one, but things tend to change when you are caught up in them.

Now, obviously, people don't have it as kindly and easy as I do. People are constantly made prone to violence simply because there are people in this world that ignore anything they don't understand, or more commonly attempt to destroy it.

It's disgusting, what people will do just because they're afraid of something that they really don't know, and that they don't ever take the time to develop an understanding for.

While this is merely semantics really, I would argue that as the human race only had two genders, male and female, bisexuality and pansexualty are in fact the same thing. I would, in your situation adopt the term bisexuality, particularly if you ever feel you wish to explain your position to family. The word is more widely known and the last thing you'll want to do is explain terms to people. That said it's not a major issue, I just find terms like pansexual and omnisexual to be rather redundant personally.

PS: I frequently make the etc/ect mistake myself. I appologise in advance for being exceptionally irritating in my posts

I typically refer to myself as a bisexual, for the sake of simplicity. The difference between me and other bisexuals, however, is that I tend to look more for platonic relationships, rather than ones with a heavily sexual basis.
Otherwise, you are completely correct.

And don't worry about the "etc", thing. I'm just joking. It's just in my signature because I had nothing better to put into it. xD

I think people are born gay. My best mate's twin is gay, yet he had the same upbringing as my best mate who is straight. Also, as for the 'they chose it' argument, I have asked matt (the gay twin) a few times if he chose to be gay or if it just came naturally, to which he replied the latter. He asked me the same question, if I chose to be straight or if it came about naturally. After thinking about it, I realised that there was never a point in my life where I asked myself if I would prefer to have sexual relations with a man or woman, I just grew up being attracted to woman. That's why I think people are born that way.

As for the upbringing argument, I see where people are coming from, but I feel as if it is in fact that certain area's that have a lower percentage of homosexuals have this because homosexuals wouldn't feel comfortable being there (I hope that makes more sense to you than it does to me right now reading it back.)

Lastly, I wonder why, if they do have a choice, they would choose to go into a minority in society which is stereotyped (like all areas of society), discriminated against and hated in many parts of the world, being labelled as 'unnatural' (even though if they don't choose to be gay, surely it is 'natural' in a sense?) when they could choose to be straight and have a much easier life.

-Feel free to reply and quote as long as your reply isn't ridiculous.