Post: Should Gays Be Able To Adopt?
06-30-2011, 10:46 PM #1
Godfather057
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07-04-2011, 05:54 AM #56
wite_guy
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Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
I will say, your first point is valid.
But normal is different for everyone. I don't know what it's like to have a family that hasn't divorced. To me, that seems like a foreign concept.
Gays, of all people, know what it's like to have sexuality [s]shoved down their throats[/s] forced on them. There's no way they'd do the same to their child.

Now, for my actual opinion. I'm going to say that they should be allowed to (as it is a basic human right), however, I would not encourage it. It is very common for the children of gay couples to be mocked and bullied for their parents' decisions. It's stupid and it's wrong, but people are just like that. They're stubborn and ignorant. The parents are not at fault. It's a sad truth that their kids will be bullied for no rational reason. As things are now, I don't think we're quite ready, as a whole, to completely accept deviations in sexuality. We're too reliant upon religion. It's stupid, but it's true. I'm not against the idea of gays adopting a child, but I am against the bullying. Since the bullying won't stop, I don't think it's fair to put more kids into that situation.


Yeah i know but i think the kid should have a choice if he dosent like it to be able to go back.

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Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
1. Normality is very adjustable. For me it is normal to have my dad take me to a fine dining restaurant on my birthday, and have the bill come up around $200. For others it isn't. Normal is just a word.
2. Look I understand racism and prejudices are still around, but they must be fought.
3. Honestly, they can't force their child to be gay. In fact, there is no possible way they could. Most of the population has a drive to partner up with females as it is on a subconscious level.


But also what if they say "Im going to ground you if youre not gay" or "Im going to spank you if youre not gay" You know?
07-04-2011, 06:00 AM #57
Just4Hax
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Originally posted by guy View Post
Yeah i know but i think the kid should have a choice if he dosent like it to be able to go back.

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But also what if they say "Im going to ground you if youre not gay" or "Im going to spank you if youre not gay" You know?

/facepalm Find me a couple that actually does that.
07-04-2011, 06:30 AM #58
E0000B6FAF25838
Nikolai Reznov
Originally posted by guy View Post
Yeah i know but i think the kid should have a choice if he dosent like it to be able to go back.


Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by another user
But also what if they say "Im going to ground you if youre not gay" or "Im going to spank you if youre not gay" You know?


Okay... Are you ****ing retarded? Or are you just unbelievably ignorant? This post speaks volumes about your thoughts about gays... This suggests that you think gays choose to be gay. Which is NOT the case.

Gays have to live with people constantly judging them for their sexual preference, they go against the norm and are confronted with adversity. Why would they choose to go through that?

And after enduring bullying and judgment, why on earth would they put their kids in the exact same situation they were in?

Seriously, this post of yours was the epitome of ignorance.
07-04-2011, 06:51 AM #59
dont see why not,their people too.they just have a diff sexual preference!

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thats a really shallow outlook on life......so sad
07-04-2011, 06:54 AM #60
wite_guy
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Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
Unfortunately, the world doesn't work like that.



Okay... Are you ****ing retarded? Or are you just unbelievably ignorant? This post speaks volumes about your thoughts about gays... This suggests that you think gays choose to be gay. Which is NOT the case.

Gays have to live with people constantly judging them for their sexual preference, they go against the norm and are confronted with adversity. Why would they choose to go through that?

And after enduring bullying and judgment, why on earth would they put their kids in the exact same situation they were in?

Seriously, this post of yours was the epitome of ignorance.


No im not ****ing retarded! Thats just the way i see some people! like people who say thier kids have to be religious or they dont get to eat! Shit like that! Thats what happened to me! I didnt get to eat for 2 Days cause i told my parents i was athiest.
07-04-2011, 07:49 AM #61
RAGEVSFURY
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Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
I will say, your first point is valid.
But normal is different for everyone. I don't know what it's like to have a family that hasn't divorced. To me, that seems like a foreign concept.
Gays, of all people, know what it's like to have sexuality [s]shoved down their throats[/s] forced on them. There's no way they'd do the same to their child.

Now, for my actual opinion. I'm going to say that they should be allowed to (as it is a basic human right), however, I would not encourage it. It is very common for the children of gay couples to be mocked and bullied for their parents' decisions. It's stupid and it's wrong, but people are just like that. They're stubborn and ignorant. The parents are not at fault. It's a sad truth that their kids will be bullied for no rational reason. As things are now, I don't think we're quite ready, as a whole, to completely accept deviations in sexuality. We're too reliant upon religion. It's stupid, but it's true. I'm not against the idea of gays adopting a child, but I am against the bullying. Since the bullying won't stop, I don't think it's fair to put more kids into that situation.


Just a heads up, Koalaa might criticize your comments as well as he/she did mine for thinking of the child's concern and safety.
07-04-2011, 02:38 PM #62
E0000B6FAF25838
Nikolai Reznov
Originally posted by RAGEVSFURY View Post
Just a heads up, Koalaa might criticize your comments as well as he/she did mine for thinking of the child's concern and safety.


I understand that. I don't have a problem with it, it IS the debate section after all. The idea is to assert your opinions for yourself, not team up to take the opposing views down (that's what the God vs. Fact thread is, I don't have a problem with that, but you can't expect things to go that smooth in other threads).

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Originally posted by guy View Post
No im not ****ing retarded!


Okay, I do apologize after seeing what you said, someone in those circumstances would think that it could easily happen in a different situation.

Originally posted by another user
Thats just the way i see some people! like people who say thier kids have to be religious or they dont get to eat! Shit like that! Thats what happened to me! I didnt get to eat for 2 Days cause i told my parents i was athiest.


But I doubt that gays would force a sexuality on their kid. They had to go against the norm and know what it's like to be discriminated against, unless they're crazy, I doubt they'd put their children through the same situation. And if they're crazy, they won't be allowed to adopt in the first place. Problem solved.
07-04-2011, 03:19 PM #63
Booshykins
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Originally posted by RAGEVSFURY View Post
Just a heads up, Koalaa might criticize your comments as well as he/she did mine for thinking of the child's concern and safety.


It's the debate forum, it's what we gotta do.

I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong, I'm saying that it does little to help the situation.

I wasn't attacking you, I was making an observation, one which has proved itself viable time and time again. This seems to be a common misconception within the debate forum. Especially in God vs. Fact. xD I really do respect your opinion, mate, I just have to make the point that I don't agree with it.

A kid's life is never easy, and I do agree that growing up with homosexual parents could be difficult, but I just don't agree that we should sit here and do nothing about it while those kids are having trouble and those would-be parents sit without any hope of ever having a child at all. Of course there's surrogacy and artificial insemination, but I know many people who'd rather help a child that's already in this world than bring one of their own into it. To me, that's completely selfless.

My whole argument wasn't on the basis of the child's safety, it was on the basis that we're too afraid to do anything to help the child that's going to these things, or the same-sex couples who want to be parents, therefore allowing this ignorance to spread, and making things even worse for homosexual couples everywhere.

They shouldn't have to suffer because we won't take action. (By action, I don't mean an armed revolt or anything, but more-so the advocation of rights that every human being has.) We know the world has become selfish when we're willing to advocate our rights, but not the rights of other individuals. (I know gays fight for their rights a lot, but it's not exactly helping when not too many people outside of that are willing to stand up for them as well. More with this specific situation, though.)

Please don't assume I criticize without reason. :/

EDIT: On a side note, E0000B6FAF25838 explained that he knew that it wasn't the parent's fault, therefore they shouldn't suffer. Since his opinion is more in-tune with mine, it's not exactly a point for me to criticize, as I'd pretty much become a hypocrite. And I don't really feel the need to criticize it because I agree with it. It's not the parent's fault, it's not the child's fault, it's our fault.

I still think gays should be able to adopt, utilize the concept of surrogacy, or use artificial insemination, though. Everyone has a right to have a child, it just depends on when they're actually ready, and it's kind of bad the gays have to wait til' we're ready.

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07-04-2011, 03:40 PM #64
Originally posted by guy View Post
No im not ****ing retarded! Thats just the way i see some people! like people who say thier kids have to be religious or they dont get to eat! Shit like that! Thats what happened to me! I didnt get to eat for 2 Days cause i told my parents i was athiest.


I can say unanimously that no homosexual couple would ever do what you described in your previous post. Why? This line from the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still" sums it up reasonably well, although you'll need to morph the wording slightly for it to apply to a homosexual couple trying to adopt.

Originally posted by another user
It is only on the brink that people find the will to change. Only at the precipice do we evolve.


Homosexuals have pretty much all been bullied at one point or another for the way they feel and they'd have been pushed to the brink, and because of this they know that they should accept people for who they really are and never force them to be gay/straight/whatever. See my point?

Also, what about all the parents who are religious and make a kids life hell when they reveal they're atheist? Or straight parents who are ignorant enough to discriminate against gays? Or if a kid wants to take a different career path than that which was planned by his/her parents? Or alcoholic parents, non-caring parents, druggie parents- the list goes on and on. If you really think having gay parents is gonna be that bad for a child then you need to look all around you at the world we live in and get your priorities straight.

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