(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Important note: This is a very touchy subject to some people and rightfully so. Whilst negative comments about any given sexuality are OK, pointless and unnecessary bashing of other people's sexuality will not be tolerated. Once you cross this line your post(s) will be deleted and you will be warned, and if you persist you will be punished for flaming. I know this is a very strongly worded warning, however I feel given the thread topic it's utterly necessary.


Anyway, onto the debate itself- sexuality. There are many different labels of sexuality, so I'd thought I'd list them below(largely C/P to save time, if I missed any or falsely described anything let me know):

• Heterosexuality- Is the sexual attraction between members of the opposite sexes such as a man attracted to a woman and vice-versa.
  
• Homosexuality- is the sexual attraction between members of the same sexes such as man to man and woman to woman.
  
• Bisexuality- Is the sexual attraction to both the opposite and same sexes such as man to man and man to woman, woman to woman and woman to man.
  
• Asexuality- Is also known as nonsexuality which is the lack of sexual attraction and sexual interest towards others.
  
• Polysexuality- Is the sexual attraction to more than one gender but do not wish to be known as bisexual as it implies that there are only two binary sexes, do not confuse this with pansexuality ('pan' meaning all) and ('poly' meaning many).
  
• Pansexuality- Is the sexual attraction towards people regardless of gender also known as omnisexuality. Some pansexuals refer to themselves as gender blind as to them gender is insignificant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others.
  
• Transexualism- Is when a person identifies themselves as a certain sex different from their own biological one. For example a person may be born male, and is uncomfortable with their gender as a male and changes to a female, or vice-versa.
  

Personally I'm heterosexual, however I have no problems with other people expressing their own sexuality and being who they really are.

Feel free to comment below and be honest, then hopefully this thread can be used to maturely discuss sexuality away from the nonsense you so often see elsewhere

Nope, all it's had are the same homophobic posts again and again despite the constant refutations. I knew this would happen eventually though, this site is predominantly used by kids.



What the flying f*ck are you on about? It's not hard being a man and perceived failure to 'be a man' leads people to suicide, not alternate sexualities.



Nobody is 100% straight/gay/whatever else (including you, although that probably scares you half to death as a homophobe). And yes, people are being honest about their sexuality now that they're no longer being persecuted by the church (as much). Well done for spotting the connection, you just came to the wrong conclusion.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you do not speak for all 'gay dudes and fabulous guys'(I already told you they're called metrosexuals), and women are equal to men, despite your insistence that they're only here because you think they look nice.

This is a new low for this section in terms of ignorance and prejudice, and what's worse is people who are too incapable of posting a coherent argument themselves are +repping you for waffling out this load of nonsense.



I don't think he did, actually.

I'm acting like a gorilla? That's a slightly more amusing insult than prior.



This thread is here to debate sexuality. Whenever a homophobe of some description posts, I debate them. There's a reason I haven't lost this debate and that's because the root cause for all homophobia is societally indoctrinated irrational hatred, whether you're immediately aware of that or not.



There's no good reason to abstain from sex. At all. I don't know why you're so hell bent on such an old set of morals that have been essentially societally replaced at this point and for good reason.



Ignoring the seriousness of rape in prisons for the moment, if there were unisex prisons, the majority of rapes that occur would be men on women. When rapists in prison don't have any women, they turn to men, because as I said before, nobody is 100% straight.

Rape in prison is an issue with rapists, don't warp it to be about homosexuality.



I've no interest in watching that video. Summarize it.



No, it was stupid, misguided and a whole range of other things.



If during the height of racism it was possible to hide your skin colour, most black people would have done that out of fear, and they would have come out of that closet as soon as it was becoming societally acceptable. This is what's happening now with homosexuality.



Not seeing the logic here. You're born what you are, whether that's predominantly straight, gay, somewhere in-between i.e. bi, or whatever else.



This is an example of what's wrong with society at the moment. You flaunt your homophobia, use merely loving people of the same gender as an insult and then gang up on those who disagree.

Within our lifetimes people like you will become reviled. You'll be written into the history books as just another cog in the road to progress. Enjoy that.

Or, if you're willing to debate without resorting to the above, then by all means take that approach.

A few might have been a bit sexually stereotypical and a bit insulting, but in a debate insults don't mean shit, these comments have been nothing but viewpoints mixed in with a lil humor, someones butthurt, and wish Sun could tell us what he thinks and then hightail it out of there before he gets called a homophobe as well.





Its not hard being a man eh? Suicide isnt exactly the first thing that men are prone to doing when backed into a corner, or anyone for that matter, most people try changing the ways that they live life if something isn't working out for them, say a relationship. A soldier turned into a monk, a drifter turned into a businessman, a stripper turned into a model, a civil wanderer turned into a pirate. Your ignoring that possibility and for a "heterosexual" such as yourself, how can you claim that men dont have it hard? Wtf? That don't add up. Men have to go to great lengths to protect that which is dear to them, in fact even in the US women are not expected to join the army, yes they dont even get drafted, thats one way men have it harder in a dire crisis. Oh are you going to make up some more homophobic bullshit responses? Do tell.





Well no crap, its to balance off all the chemicals in our body etc, so we dont go on killing sprees and so that we can more easily interact with other people. I am in no way homophobic, gay people do not scare me, going to jail does and should scare any other honest non rule breaking gentlemen. I dont hang around gay people, but i can hold a conversation with them without getting all scared and shit, but the moment they start hitting on me im out of there. Oh by the way you got a lot of straight guys acting gay now all of a sudden, coming out of the closet? Or public trolling? Then when you suspect them of being gay they start claiming they were only kidding around, thats pretty sad. Some people don't even know how to express their sexuality properly, thing is you dont have to. So how to gay dudes find a suitable mate when its hard enough living an average lifestyle? Many issues here. Then they gotta watch out for those gung-ho southern crazies looking to "Kill all gay people!" Also jumping off a cliff and surviving scares me more then being less of a manly male, hell im not the manliest guy on the block and i never will be. Thanks for thinking of me as a jock though, it means a lot to me.





I'm pretty sure even the gayest of gay guys can attest to the beauty of women, women have been prized as being magnificent and astonishing for centuries, you want to just roll up in here and say women arent all that attractive? I like calling them fabulous, because some of them seriously have style thats deserving as a guy, they are the ones who teach men how to remain clean cut and up to date on the latest fashion after all. If it wasnt for them, we would only be half of what we could be as men. Im not insisting that is all women are good/created for, i was saying that- you know what eff it I'm not posting pictures of the opposite sex for you, how many women do you talk to anyway? So how many attractive men do you know?



I'm getting plussed because im holding my ground agaisnt ignorance, if there was something in this world i didn't like to hear, i'd just call it homophobic/racist/gay as well, but you see im well past that stage of my life, i believe i was in that state at about 4 years old, hmm... interesting. Anyway, you havent really been taking my comments head on, i can give out evidence, articles, videos, and you will not read or watch them, so what is the point? Which is why im going to keep posting until you either get tired or stop calling everyone who dares to post in this section a homophobe, it is very unrealistic for a heterosexual to badger people needlessly, my vote is your bisexual but you are not yet aware of it.






I ask you, what is your definition of a homophobe exactly? 6 words or less, thanks. Of course you havent lost yet, but you havent won either roflmao, it would be a lot easier to settle this discussion if you werent so hell bent on calling everyone a homophobe, you've scared a good portion of the community from even posting in this topic... why cant you be be relaxed like GDP and just drink a beer or something and discuss the meaning of life like a regular person? Lol. Actually, everyone and anyone reading this, please pop in your 2 cents on the drivel clutch has been spouting, please do it for the sake of humanity, a story about your life as a man- and how hard/easy it was for you to live your life, anything to attest/account what clutch has said to assist in making it be true or false in his "homophobic" eyes. Ok Clutch, you have a point that there has been a very wide history of homophobes, but uhhh thats mostly from the same cut and cloth people who were orchestrating people who were different from them for centuries, just because history shows a long range of behavior like that, doesn't mean everyone is like that. Kay?





This is coming from the same guy who said its not hard being a man, "Unisex prisons LMAO", "Your all homophobes LMAO", "Fuck abstaining from sex, because when your heterosexual like me you can screw anyone you want to whenever you want to, abstinence is for losers, my name is Clutch". No good reason rofl, that hurts a lot of people who might actually have someone in their life that they are waiting for/interested in? Thats a goofed up statement clutch, but like most people in here will attest to that ridiculous comment the same can be said about being gay. "There is absolutely no reason for a man to be gay" I mean how productive is it for the future to not have children when they could very well be the key to curing blah blah hump dump? But yeah, this is why i state "This guy must be bisexual", most of the stuff you have said could only have come from such a person, otherwise it doesnt make any sense.





Give the man a medal, he isnt that far gone after all. Even Clutch knows what time it is, thank you for playing. Now if its like that in jail, applying that same logic to society shouldnt be that hard either, main question we are trying to answer here, what makes a man gay? There's a science for this shit too you know, but I'm not going to be using science to regard someones sexuality, thats a far too robotic approach, and i would like to hear it from people who have thought about being gay/are gay, it would be a lot easier to answer or at least determine some of these questions. If they arent answered, clutch will call regular old joe's homophobes, so someone please contribute, kay? Thanks.



Lol looks like we caught clutch off guard for a moment here, do you know some of them go in there already gay? Homosexualilty actually plays a GARGANTUAN role in prison rape, and also a smaller role outside that area as well. Because you see people on the outside get to choose, people on the inside don't or rather have to before 1:00 AM, and if you had the balls to watch both videos, which you didnt, you would understand that there's a lot more to homosexual/prison culture/inmate culture then what you know/dont know. It's pretty hard to warp something as straight up as this-

"Oh you think you just gonna leave it down Dea?!" "We dont waste no soap in here ni**ga"








You can spend 10 minutes reading entire forums, you should be able to spend 3 watching an educational video about homosexuality which you yourself are currently talking about.







Thats a good joke, only reason gay people are being more accepted is because they decided to be more real about themselves and are making a lot more friends who arent gay. Therefore they gained more power and people felt that it was time they got more respect and etc. When in actuality there have been gay people for centuries and general society paid homosexuality no mind even when it is very controversial. But in this world, basketball seems more controversial then things like freedom nowadays. I also highly doubt that, only a few probably would, same with that though, no standing up for oneself, no rights, no changes, everything would stay the same.





We're currently discussing the possibility of us being able to decide to be gay or whatever else it is we want to be, why dont you hop in and answer the question? "What would you do if you were gay, why would you be gay, and how would you defend your rights as a gay person?" Don't know why you arent.





Way of life, thats just how things are, dont get mad at me, i dont make the rules, its insecure people like you that flaunt ignorance and make being gay an issue. Undercover assholes like yourself that try to root out anyone different from you while working behind the scenes under the guise that you care and will represent them in a crisis. It's people like you that make me sick, none of you even put in the hard work required to fight for what you believe in, don't waste others times with your fallacies and insecurities.

I honestly think this is a way for you to satisfy your sick and sadistic mind, have you had your fill yet?

Excuse me, how was I being homophobic? Woof is gay, he told me it himself. Surely seeing how we're debating sexuality in this thread, it would be beneficial to ask questions to somebody who is gay themselves? I don't understand the point you're trying to get a cross. And to clarify, I'm not homophobic.

No, you see, he's "right", and anyone that doesn't share his viewpoint is "wrong". That's cool, I'm not going anywhere. Whether I'm the only one that agrees with this "stupid" guy (GDP) or not, as you mentioned earlier, Clutch...

@ Clutch Hunterr:
Speaking of that, you know...earlier you made a post about the armpits thing, that was directed to me. I didn't respond to your post like I WANTED to, though. Why? I felt like, "Eh, he thinks people are ganging up on him. Obviously, he's a weak-minded individual, so I won't 'GO ALL IN' on him".

That was at that time. Since then, you've made a comment about me being "stupid", I read earlier. And that, I WILL NOT give a pass, for...

We're having a debate, like someone else mentioned. If we're trying to debate and discuss different points of views, we have to be SOMEWHAT respectful to other's views and opinions. Debates can/will be heated, absolutely. There just has to be boundaries, points you don't cross. Yeah, this is coming from the "Homophobe", also.

Right to the point: Maybe you're not aware of it, but when you call someone "stupid", or specifically...THIS guy, "stupid"...you've went somewhere else, and it won't be tolerated. But...I don't think people should be held accountable for things, if they're not (reasonably) aware of them. And my reaction, if you show clear provocation, would undoubtably be..."unreasonable". So, here's your One-Time Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free Card. Use it wisely (my suggestion)...

Because if you do that again, if you say something else that's just a jig to my side, or a stab of disrespect just to...disrespect...in a way that's not topic related whatsoever, and posted in a way that would compromise my personal status as a grown-@$$-EFFin' man, I'll make sure you have a broader definition for the words "COMMITTED", "RELENTLESS", "PSYCHOTIC", & "DEVIL".

*ahem* Now woof, I think .James asked some really good questions, himself (well, they're questions that I'd sure want to know the answer to, anyway...lol). Let's start with those...

In fairness, the majority of the posts I've been responding to here lately have by definition been homophobic. It's not just a petty insult when, by definition, it's spot on. Or at least not in my opinion.

The humour bit could probably be discarded. Given the context of the debate it's a little annoying to me, personally.



There's a giant disconnect between the sexism within the army, the fact that there's a draft at all and anything at all related to sexuality. You keep linking things to homosexuality in incredibly nonsensical ways.



By treating homosexuals differently to heterosexuals you're worsening the problem.

Homophobia isn't irrational fear, it's irrational hatred to whatever degree. Look it up.



I too think women are beautiful, but that doesn't mean that men or who/whatever else can't be too. As I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't understand why you're struggling with the sentence so much.



You keep making claims, and I keep refuting them. The only 'evidence' you've offered me is an anime video...



As I said, irrational hatred. That's two words.



Ignoring the rest of this rubbish, are you going to start hating on a guy who's with a women who can't have kids too? Because that's exactly the same thing - you can't have a child with the person you love. And I think we've already discussed how at seven billion people and counting each additional child is becoming a hindrance.



The last scientific thing I read on it was that it was caused by a chemical imbalance of some sort. This means...

1. It's natural, since people seem to care so much about naturality.
2. You're born with it, so asking a gay person to turn straight is the exact equivalent of asking a straight guy to go gay.



Yeah, because anime videos are always the best sort of evidence. Really?



Anime... rape in prison... educational... does not compute. Those videos are short, there's no reason you can't summarize them for me.



I think I agree with you here, at least to an extent. I'll be damned.



Just ask yourself the same question but replace 'gay' with 'straight'. Nice and easy.



Okay, we're done. This quote here pretty much summarizes how you've treated me this entire debate. Troll or not, you're incapable of having an honest debate and with each post you've misrepresented my position, linked me to some stupid anime video as 'evidence', gone off on a tangent, arrived at a ridiculous conclusion based on said tangent and hurled petty insults at me such as the above.

You're now on my blacklist alongside GDP.

@ Woof:

Okay, did somebody disrespect you, in this thread? Because your tone seemed to of have changed from someone who was willing to possibly enlighten/educate (honestly, I was kinda hoping for that) on homosexuality, to...taking a defensive stance. Need I remind you that YOU mentioned it was cool to ask you questions. As far as .James' comment, well...your reaction proves MY point. You don't REALLY want to be naked with this, and you (maybe subconsciously) KNOW that it's..."not right"?

I'd like to make this clear: "Right" & "Wrong" is whatever you interpret it as. Me or nobody else can make that call for you. With that being said, I get a strong sense of, "don't ask me too many questions!" type of demeanor. If that's the case then...that's cool.

I'd like to answer those questions though, if I may:

1) Did I CHOOSE to be straight? Well, I think a little of both. I mean, I could say something inside of me just came out for a woman, but honestly...I think I'm going to attribute it more to my environment. Homosexuality wasn't acceptable, where I grew up. There wasn't any gay-bashings or anything, it was just well known that it wasn't comonplace. And I conformed. Wasn't hard, I mean we are talking about @$$ & tits...:y: I don't know, maybe that's just my area...

2) Could I change my sexuality, if I wanted to? Now, you see...you asked me earlier about me going to a gay bar. Which, by the way, ain't happening...lol. Anyway, if I were to start frequenting gay bars, and be in the company of gay people alot, and the culture of my "environment" changes, then guess what? I would imagine I WOULD become gay. And if not, I would consider myself an anomaly. But you DO see how my ENVIRONMENT would directly dictate that? Even if I'm accustomed to something else...

3) What are my thoughts on the 'turning straight to avoid certain aspects of life' subject? Well again, what's my environment? Because if i go to work everyday, and my workplace seems to frown upon that lifestyle if I were to be open, then yeah. I'll be straight, in THAT environment. But when I come home, I'll...be gay? Wow...lol. Seriously, we all have to change ourselves in different environments to get the results we're looking for, at the time. I don't know if that answers that question or not...

Addressing something else: Look, I've got some pretty strong views on homosexuality, I know. But that was me assuming that I WASN'T talking to someone who this affected directly with (a homosexual). Once you revealed that, there's no way I was going to badger you, run you down, or condemn you in a way that would make you feel all EFFed up. That's not my modus operandi. I've spent 15 years of my life directly protecting those who couldn't protect themselves. I DO have strong, opposite views (I guess) from you, that doesn't give me or anyone else the right to DISRESPECT you. I'm not on that page. I'm sorry if I did disrespect you personally in any way. Wasn't my intention at all, Woof...

Another thing: My armpit comment to Clutch was directed to him ONLY. It had nothing to do with you, if that has anything to do with your sudden change in attitude. We all know when someone tries to make someone else feel like a piece of sh*t, becuase it's fun. I don't play that, either. I don't care what sexuality is of what, I don't play that sh*t. Anyway, that had nothing to do with you...

So bring your @$$ back in here, Woof. And let's talk like a couple of gayboys...:puke:

Just messing...

I'm Heterosexual, With that being said i don't have a problem with any ones sexuality whether your gay,bi w.e... What ever floats your boat. Also i think gays (males) are cool to hang around with, There funny, & mostly have more ladies around them then a straight guy.

Man, did you say a mouthful there. About the ladies being around them bit. They're just really comfortable, and willing to TOTALLY let their hair down around a gay man. I'm jealous as EFF...lol.

Sure, I don't mind asking the questions, because you see i actually answered them myself a long time ago to determine what my sexuality was.

1.Yes, it didnt take that much effort. Main reason i like them, i figured it was the way to go, and I'd like to have a kid or whatever. The fact of the matter here is we are trying to figure out if gay people can choose to be gay or not, i dont know why you dont want to contribute to the conversation... it would be really helpful and yes I would like to learn something new here, there are a lot of misconceptions about gay people, but due to the fact of them being gay it might attribute to them "Hiding in the closet" Don't be afraid to pass on information, its just nature, no one here is going to hurt of criticize you, we just want info thats all. Long story short i CHOSE to be heterosexual based on a long process within myself.

2. Hey if i could have kids when men then why the hell not? Shouldn't be anything stopping me if i really want to. It would be difficult, but yes if i wanted to change it then i could.

3. Well i took a long time to think about this, and i was pretty much just all for the woman side you know? I just generally think in the long run it is more profitable to be straight then it is to be any other sexuality, plus i want kids. I want to keep whatever social standing i have if i can, and have a family and a wife at my side. I want fellow men to walk past me in jealously because im currently living the life of a straight man, and not have women trying to kill me because im taken by my fellow man. Hell its hard enough trying to survive even if i wasnt gay. But i agree, its easier to live life as a straight person then it is as a gay person- FACT. This has all been confirmed by everyone else in this topic, this should not be disputed, its just the way the world works.

Theres my side, now where is yours woof? You seem hell bent on groaning at others when you were so dead set on contributing to this topic and even educating clutch, but now your withdrawing, why?

I see i made it on Clutch's shitlist, i guess i spent enough time pissing him off to respond with enough effort, but he still hasnt gone agaisnt any of my points in a strong enough manner to make me dissist. Dammit clutch, come in peacefully, also yes that was the last thing i read as well, WHICH IS WHY IM GOING ON THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING. I'm trying to get a clear answer from someone who is gay to help add some knowledge to whether gay people can choose to be gay or not. Choice is important, a question rouse where "Why would a gay guy choose to be gay when he could just be straight and live an easier life?" Well, why indeed? Lots of strong gay people who can defend their rights and what not, i talk to lots of proud gay people who call me gay all the time lmao, still really smart people tho, and very strong minded, it makes me think that they chose to be gay or something, they seem so resolute with their sexuality that its just amazing. Why can't you provide us with your experience on being gay if you are woof? Why are you denying us this knowledge? The topic demands it!

Also Clutch im pretty sure i sent you a video that was not "anime" what i had sent you was a very controversial cartoon that challenges a lot of different subjects, it is not a mere cartoon. I was using as an example and a joke at the same time. People who think are able to make witty jokes, not everything has to be boring and tasteless, you accused me of being cold but at least i have a greater sense of humor than you.

Clutch is slowly breaking down, he will give up eventually and this topic will be won. But its hard to make any progress with people like clutch holding us back. Clutch has yet to answer the questions as well, glad Alfredo posted, i know it took a lot of work since Clutch and woof are currently on a "Everyone is a homophobe" tag team right now.

Can't we make progress...?