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Believe it or not, you are making the situation much more simplified than it actually is. You have no idea about the social pressures and other factors that can play into such a decision.



Each and every sperm cell is a potential human life (unless you'd like to argue that sperm is not what fertilizes an egg - which I doubt). So yes, if you are not constantly ****ing like a rabbit then you are letting sperm die, in tern wasting potential human life.



Yes, but condoms and pills can fail, and people can make mistakes. You can't control the past, only the future.



There is trauma and stress with any pregnancy. Ask any mother. Having a baby can also seriously falter someone's potential. Their careers can be put on hold - possibly indefinitely. Having a baby also seriously alters the body, which is something that people should not have to be unjustly put through.

Regardless, people will have abortions whether there is a sanitary facility for such a procedure or not. They will use coat-hangers and bleach if need be.



Gee, that would be a hard decision. There is NO chance of the baby living if the mother dies, which will occur due to hemorrhaging. The fetus MUST be terminated in an ectopic pregnancy. It's one or both. By the way, a little fun fact for you: "An ectopic pregnancy occurs in about one in 50 pregnancies." - taken from medicinenet.com.

Let her decide? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's a matter of a vegetative lump of tissue, or somebody with social ties, contribution to society, and consciousness.

it doesnt matter how complex it is. you made the choice to have sex. live with it and put it up for adoption. if you didnt want people staring at your stomach dont **** in the first place.

number 2: sperm cells are not true lives. they need the egg. then its a life. arguing that is like saying tires are a car. last time i checked tires are not a car. therefore wankin your willy doesnt count. rolling tires around doesnt waste gas. that might be the worst argument from a pro-choicer yet.

number 3: condoms and pills can fail. so dont risk it unless you can handle it. if you cant take a kid put it up for adoption. saying that is complex is like saying dont turn the oven on unless you want to cook. otherwise you could start a fire is complex. its a simple concept. dont risk it unless your ready.

number 4: why talk about something that happens 2% of the time? if the mother and child are gonna die fine. but we're talking about normal cases. not rape. not ectopic pregnancies. we're talking about what happens 96% of the time. honestly. using 4% to decide 96% might be the dumbest thing i have ever heard

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where did you get your facts from. here's a recap. by the time a girl knows she's prego, the baby has a beating heart and measurable brain activity. and not brain activity like a little vegetable person that got in a car accident. nope. straight up brain activity.

a lump of tissue? by the time a girl finds out she's prego it already has finger nails. dear lord you look like a lump of tissue too then

Easier said than done my friend... seeing as reproduction is the main drive in a human. Once again, you can only change the future not the past. What's done is done.



Do you understand what the word potential means? You're basically saying that sperm cells are less "alive" than any other cell in the body. Sorry, that was a terrible analogy - tires can't become entire cars, which is the entire point.



Well that's some BS. I doubt you'd be able to resist if jessica alba came onto you right now.



Asking a human not to have sex is like asking a fire not to be hot. Males think about sex on average every 7 seconds (real fact).

And what's up with your terrible analogies? A oven can't have social factors which would lead it to put out the fire it started.



Because that's a HUGE percentage. If every woman in America were to get pregnant right now, then THREE MILLION women would have ectopic pregnancies.



Special pleading ftw?



Really, because I was talking about ALL cases.



You're right, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard as well. Lucky nobody is doing that, huh? I was providing example to get you to special plead (which you did) in order to punch loopholes in your argument.



So now you don't understand what the word conscious means? First potential and now conscious? A brain-dead person still has measurable brain activity, even though they have no consciousness. A vegetable still has complex cell processes even though it still isn't conscious.

A pregnancy is defined as when an embryo attaches to the uterine lining. At that point it is just a cluster of cells. If a girl finds out she's pregnant two weeks in (enough time for her to miss her period mind you), then this is what it loks like:

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Yes.



Yes, I can clearly see all those little fingernails in that blob. What's so good about fingernails anyway?



Well technically I AM a lump of tissue.

dude u so copied what i said. not cool

wow. you must have the brain of a caveman to only think about sex. either that or you really dont get laid enough. anyone that thinks about sex that much really needs to get some. and thats why girls also have built in inhibitions that are stronger than men. so either you can say no, or she can say it. and if jessica albe came onto me sure i'd screw her. but i'd have the kid. its called a consequence. you screw up you pay the price for it. thats how life works. the reason the world is ****ed up is people trying to put their bad choices on someone else.

also, you really think a girl finds out in two weeks. your proving more you have no idea how this whole sex thing works. two weeks is not enough for a girl to think about being prego for several reasons. number 1: the odds of a girl being pregnant are very minimal that late into her period. number 2: it is not uncommon for a girl to miss her period. most the time they dont even check if they're pregnant until they miss the second month. number 3: if they do check before that its not as soon as they miss it because girls are late all the time. it happens.

did i not just say it wasnt brain dead type of activity. there are 2 separate things. i love how you skip over bits and pieces. it makes it so convenient for you.

special pleading proves nothing. it means i have respect for human life and saying letting 2 people die where only 1 could is retarded.

and potential doesnt make it a life. by the time she finds out shes pregnant it already has a beating heart. you may not like fingernails. but a heart is pretty important.

social pressures? wow. that shows how mature you are. you let what people think determine what your gonna do. i have no problems being a teenage dad no matter what people think. if you wanna play with social pressures go back to middle school and high school where people care. once you grow up you'll see that once you get out of high school people dont give a ****. and anyone that cares what people think is not mature enough for sex yet. because unlike your lil caveman self, most people can say no. its not easy but its right. saying no is not that hard. its one word and everything goes fine. i'm still laughing at the whole seven seconds thing. boy you must really not get laid ever. did they interview the a/v club at your high school to figure that one out? nope it was a glossy magazine. here are the real stats: The Kinsey Institute at Indiana University suggests that 54 per cent of men think about sex at least every day, 43 per cent think about it a few times a week or month, and 4 per cent once a month or less. All men are different, though; some, will think about sex many times daily.

and thank you for proving that life mean nothing to you mr. lump

I didn't make it up, but I was wrong. I took a bad quote from google.



It's not a bad choice though, and it's not a screw up - It's instinct. (Also, it wouldn't be up to you whether she had the kid or not.) If you use a condom you are just as inhibiting of procreation as if you had an abortion (a main reason why the catholic church frowns upon condoms).



Yes. Two weeks is the time it takes for a girl to enter what would normally be menstruation. It's called a missed period.



so?



If you've ****ed in the past two weeks and you miss your period, you are going to take a pregnancy test. You'd be naive not to.



If you are late and you had sex two weeks prior then you'd be stupid not to take a test.

Okay, you want to see 6 weeks in? Thats enough time to miss it TWICE!

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Looks like a tadpole to me =/.



Actually it is brain-dead type activity. It's not even regulating it's heart at this point. Tell me, what exactly did I skip? I said it wasn't conscious, which it's not. You said it had brain activity, which I said isn't consciousness.



it makes it potential.



No it doesn't.



That's not it at all. I'm saying that it will be extremely hard to balance your childs life with your own, especially when the child was unwanted to begin with. How hard do you think it would be to go to college with a baby?



and neither do I. I love how people always play the "you'll understand when you're older" card when dealing with someone of the opposite viewpoint.



Says who? You? You think you can control people?



LOL, caveman self. I'm currently enrolled in an AP Physics course, studying theoretical unified field theory. I have taken a MENSA approved IQ test, and it is 145. I don't think I'm exactly the caveman sort.



define "right". if you go based on what your body is telling you, then ****ing the living shit out of her is right. If you go based on social concepts of right (ah, the hypocrisy), then saying no is right.



But you just said it was. Remember? "It's not easy..."



And I'm still laughing that you think I made it up, however I must admit that I was wrong.



Not exactly.



You are a lump of tissue as well. Tissue is defined as a cluster of similar cells....

as you have don many times so far



no the difference is one has a heart, the sperm doesnt and it isnt a life. stop trying to assume you know religion when all you know is what the discovery channel and the internet tells you. both are wrong about religion most of the time



congrats? your mommy tell you that. girls miss them a lot. it happens whether you **** or not



sorry virgin, thats not how it works. when you grow up and learn about sex first hand we can talk about what girls do and dont do



hmmm not really, girls will miss that pretty often. if you had friends who are girls you could talk to them about it, but i'm guessing you have no contacts to talk to about it. mommy doesnt count.



hmmm has a beating heart, has a brain. it legally alive by all medical standards. i've seen people that look a lot like that in real life.



which it is consciousness activity



and its still not a life. its like eating eggs. you really arent eating a chicken.



so put it up for adoption. do you realize how many couples in america cant have children but cant adopt from an orphanage. to get it from an orphanage costs thousands of dollars. to get it from the girl who had it costs less



because you cant understand how a girl works from a science book or from your mom. you wont understand it until you grow up



nope, people should be able to control themselves and not **** every 2 seconds. and thinking that they do is naive and means you really never get any



want a cookie? thats the lowest IQ in my family, and its held by my sister who is a doctor. my bro and me maxed out the IQ test and we are in the top 1% of people in the world. there is always someone better than you so never get to cocky when spurting off how intelligent you are. i'm 18 and i have a job that pays 6 figures with a yearly pay increase each year. what have you done with your life that will ever be worth anything. IQ means shit when you do nothing with it except tell people i'm a genius. i graduated high school early. i'm graduating college early. is AP Physics all you have to show your intelligence? hmmm lets see, if you wanna play AP rules here it goes. i took: AP physics, AP european history, AP american history, AP calculus, AP art and thats all my school offered. wanna know what else i did in high school? i took college courses in calculus BC, religion, political science and i tutored people. on top of that i was all area for soccer, all league for tennis, and MVP on my basketball team. i volunteered at athletic camps all over the area to teach kids sports. if your so smart grow up and do something with your life. i actually feel sorry that all you have in your life is AP Physics studying stuff that means shit in the real world.



primal instincts no longer run us. if they did you'd be in a fight with your neighbor over where your property is and you'd kill your pets for food. last time i checked i dont have the urge to do that. and i don have the urge to **** every 2 seconds like you, because i get laid. and yes, i would be willing to become a dad. i have a job, i'm in college and have a solid education that i could finish early if needed.



no no no no no. just said it. the not easy part is saying it to a girl. but say it once to her and guess what, she'll listen



i never said you made it up. i said you got it from a glossy magazine. check you sources. remember, no source is ever always correct. the discovery channel just inviews people in the field, many of them have agendas. science text books are never fully accurate. they show one side and leave it at that. they should tell both. websites are always biased. they're written by people who want to prove what they think, and therefore they never show both sides.





and a group of tissues completing a common task is an organ, and a group of organs working together is an organism. a lump of tissue is worthless. i picked a scab today and threw in on the ground because its just a group of tissues. but when you actually look at the complexity of something you realize life is more than what you will ever see.

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by the way. do me one favor. this whole time we havent talked about what happens to the girl after the abortion. most girls cant live with themselves after an abortion. some are never able to become pregnant again. do me a favor and read this page all the way. its some info about girls after the abortion. if you dont read it all, at least read the survey. You must login or register to view this content.

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o and if you look there, you'll see the average gestation at the time of abortion is past 10 weeks. if you knew about how periods work and what all happens once a girl finds out she's pregnant, you'll realize that getting in at 6 weeks is not easy. here's why: she has to find out she's pregnant, which takes time. more than you think. number 2: a girls wont just drive to the abortion place as soon as she finds out. she'll freak out, cry in her room for a bit, call her best friend and set up a time for them to go together because once again, thats how girls work. depending on the situation she may tell the dad or her parents what happened. then they'll discuss it too. its something that takes time.

ummmm.... no. that's the only thing I've taken from google apart from the site where I found the images.



So because a bacteria has no heart it is not alive? Your definition of alive is "has a heart"?

Sperm cells are living creatures, as are any other single celled organisms.



uhhh... what? First off you know nothing about me. I used to be a catholic, and I have actually READ the Bible (to be fair I skimmed through a third of it).



Yes, I know, but you'd have to be pretty apathetic not to take a pregnancy test after ****ing two weeks before a missed period.



Ah, how I love false assumptions .



Everyone with reasonable experience in debating knows that insults are a sign of weakness.

I actually find it sort of strange that you talk about menstruation with your friends. Actually, according to multiple sites, the most common reason for a missed period is pregnancy... so fail.



Actually it has no beating heart, and the brain at this point has no activity. A bacteria cell is considered alive by medical standards, so what's your point?



You truly don't know what the word conscious means do you? Since you haven't figured it out on your own yet, Ill provide you with a definition (taken from Merriam-Webster):

1: perceiving, apprehending, or noticing with a degree of controlled thought or observation <was conscious that someone was watching>
2archaic : sharing another's knowledge or awareness of an inward state or outward fact
3: personally felt <conscious guilt>
4: capable of or marked by thought, will, design, or perception
5: self-conscious
6: having mental faculties undulled by sleep, faintness, or stupor : awake <was conscious during the surgery>
7: done or acting with critical awareness <a conscious effort to do better>
8 a: likely to notice, consider, or appraise <a bargain-conscious shopper> b: being concerned or interested <weight-conscious models> c: marked by strong feelings or notions <a race-conscious society>



Nobody is saying that it's a human. It's POTENTIALLY a human. You just don't get it, do you?

So you don't think that single celled organisms are alive? Have you ever taken a biology class? Sperm is alive, just like every other cell in the body.



A lot of people would rather raise it themselves than give it away, knowing that their child is out there somewhere. Abortion solves both problems. Shouldn't every child be a wanted child?



lol



probably the dumbest presumption I've ever heard.



Well that's just a blatant lie unless you took the test online. You do realize that 145 and up is legally considered a genius, right? Less than one percent of the population.



Another lie. Nobody has EVER maxed out an IQ test. Ever. Not once.



Yes, there is obviously someone better than me, and I wasn't being cocky. You called me a caveman and I told you why I am not.



lol, I'm 16. You're basically asking what my future is. idk, why don't you tell me professor?



luckily nobody is doing that here.



That's good for you I guess.



Well, considering I'm going into my junior year...



And yet you still don't understand basic words like conscious? What a waste.



Uh... ok.



Really? Because I'm sure Dr. Michio Kaku would have to disagree with you there. He's contributed more to the human race than an earthly fellow like yourself ever could with the arrogant notion that in the end it doesn't matter.

You acted like I was bragging... and then wrote an entire paragraph to counter my four sentences with pure bragging.



Really? Then why do we still **** even when we don't want children?



Human primal instincts aren't nearly as primitive as the name implies.



Yes, and I almost always check my sources. You seem to have the notion that I get all my info from the discovery channel.



Good job. The organism is still technically a lump of tissues though.



No its not, it has whatever worth you give it.



I never said life was worthless. That's something you just implied. Life has whatever meaning we give it.



actually I know multiple women who have gotten them and get along great. as if it never happened.



In very rare cases, yes. That is a risk that is disclosed before the procedure though.



Yes, and it was all their decision. The option should still be there.

yeah. you get it from your mom and science book



so your admitting your killing a living human then?



i never debated that point. i just said its not a human



congrats? skimmed it means you really know none of it. and only 1/3? that means nothing



ummm no... most girls dont because any girl can miss a period at any point. so saying 2 weeks, which some girls periods are not 4 weeks even, some are 2 months, some are 6 weeks. so saying 2 weeks is very general. plus if she's on birth control she wont have a period to base it on.



dont act like you get any. if you did you would realize how this whole period thing worked



that wasnt an insult. its a fact. and talking about menstruation with friends is weird, but girlfriends no. because its important to know. that way you know when she is most likely to be prego and when you arent going to get any for a week.



by medical standards no, it has to have a beating heart and brain activity or else you are dead. my sister is a doctor, i would know. we arent going by bacteria standards, we're going by human standards.



once again i know what it means. look it up what a fetus does. it is indeed conscious. thank you for actually proving yourself wrong through ignorance.



and yet you continue to compare them like they are the same



never said it wasnt alive. i just said its not a human and you shouldnt compare them.



it would be wanted. and thats just selfish saying you want to kill it instead of let a good family raise it.



i like how you cant dispute you learned about girls from your mom.



nope. it proven the more you get the less you really think about it.



wrong buddy. any licensed psychologist can administer it. sorry. and did you know the max it can accurately measure is 165. the level of me and my brother. yes we actually topped it out.



nope, it can only accurately go to 165. past that it cant tell well. i got 165. and do you know why you cant max out an IQ test? its because mathematically it cant be maxed out because the level varries based on the rest of the population



no. anyone looking for an excuse to show off a 145 IQ is being cocky. i wasnt calling you a stupid caveman. i was saying you have primal instincts like a caveman



by the age of 16 i had already done almost all of this except for some of the college



honestly you have done nothing with your intelligence except try to learn as much as you can, which means absolutely nothing



indeed it is



by the end of my sophomore year i had already done or started most of the things on my list



and yet you still cant comprehend it



and obviously you've done nothing



because in the end it doesnt matter



because you were. you find any chance you can to try to say how smart you really are. and when someone else shows you up, you go and get all upset



because have you ever seen the parents when a child is born. there is nothing on earth like that.



yes they are, thats why it has primal in it. and primal and primitive are related. trust me. i know latin and greek.



and so far you have never listed a single source



no. its lumps. which makes it more than that.



hmmm tell you what. i'ma give you a gun. you can shoot at a scab or a person. let me know which one you shoot at. you dont choose the worth. it something you just know.



no, life has a small meaning to you. it obvious by your posts.



thank you for showing you dont know a thing about girls. a girl will never admit anything is wrong with them. they just go through life upset as hell, but not showing it on the outside.



and did you notice 95% of them said they wished they hadnt? thats a lot of kids that had to die for no reason.