Post: Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice
08-02-2009, 10:13 PM #1
elfmotat
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08-06-2009, 02:22 AM #20
elfmotat
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Originally posted by GQGK View Post
yeah. you get it from your mom and science book


Your arrogance astounds me.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
so your admitting your killing a living human then?


I admit it is killing a living creature. I see it as no more cruel than euthanasia.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
i never debated that point. i just said its not a human


You said that sperm isn't a life. It is alive, therefore it is a life.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
congrats? skimmed it means you really know none of it. and only 1/3? that means nothing


I said I skimmed through a third of it, not the other way around. Your inability to discern the meaning of my words is really starting to annoy. How much of the bible have you read?

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
ummm no... most girls dont because any girl can miss a period at any point. so saying 2 weeks, which some girls periods are not 4 weeks even, some are 2 months, some are 6 weeks. so saying 2 weeks is very general. plus if she's on birth control she wont have a period to base it on.


Yes, a girl can miss a period at any point, but the most common reason IS pregnancy. Birth control is over 99% effective, so now you are just trying to find little counter examples against the norm.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
dont act like you get any. if you did you would realize how this whole period thing worked


lol.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
that wasnt an insult. its a fact.


Your matter-of-factly way of talking down to me is starting to annoy.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
and talking about menstruation with friends is weird, but girlfriends no. because its important to know. that way you know when she is most likely to be prego and when you arent going to get any for a week.


and yet that's not what you said in the previous post. how convenient.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
by medical standards no, it has to have a beating heart and brain activity or else you are dead. my sister is a doctor, i would know. we arent going by bacteria standards, we're going by human standards.


Really? Because there are babies that are born without brains, and surgeons aren't allowed to transplant the heart until the heart stops beating. They are protected under law because they are considered alive. Brain activity ISN'T part of the lawful definition. So much for your sister =/.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
once again i know what it means. look it up what a fetus does. it is indeed conscious. thank you for actually proving yourself wrong through ignorance.


Really? A fetus is conscious? Thank you for disproving an accepted medical fact that they are not until very late in the pregnancy.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
and yet you continue to compare them like they are the same


Embyo = Potential human life
Sperm Cell = Potential human life

I see no objective difference.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
it would be wanted. and thats just selfish saying you want to kill it instead of let a good family raise it.


That's not what I'm saying at all. If both parties agree with this, then I'm all for it. I'm saying one party shouldn't be forced into it by another.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
i like how you cant dispute you learned about girls from your mom.


I like how you can't dispute things objectively.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
nope. it proven the more you get the less you really think about it.


I'd like to see that peer-reviewed study.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
wrong buddy. any licensed psychologist can administer it. sorry. and did you know the max it can accurately measure is 165. the level of me and my brother. yes we actually topped it out.


So, you are saying you have one of the highest IQ's on record of any human being alive? Lol, and you expect me to take your word on that one.

And you were actually wrong again. The IQ test can accurately measure to 220. That's the max, and up to there they are 96% accurate.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
nope, it can only accurately go to 165. past that it cant tell well. i got 165. and do you know why you cant max out an IQ test? its because mathematically it cant be maxed out because the level varries based on the rest of the population


Wrong again.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
no. anyone looking for an excuse to show off a 145 IQ is being cocky. i wasnt calling you a stupid caveman. i was saying you have primal instincts like a caveman


Caveman can be synonymous with ignorant, which was the impression you gave.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
by the age of 16 i had already done almost all of this except for some of the college


I'm actually physically laughing now. You sir are a prodigy :rolleyes:.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
honestly you have done nothing with your intelligence except try to learn as much as you can, which means absolutely nothing


You are basically saying that I should be frowned upon for seeking knowledge for knowledge's sake. And for the fact that I haven't cured cancer (don't take that literally, which I'm sure you probably would have) by the age of 16.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
by the end of my sophomore year i had already done or started most of the things on my list


And I suppose I should just take your word for it? Well, seeing how good your word has been so far...

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
and yet you still cant comprehend it


the fact that you boast mythical qualities, yet can even deduct simple logic?

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
because in the end it doesnt matter


How hypocritical. You speak of ideas like pro-life, yet you don't care about the progress of human kind. The nihilist taking sides with right-wingers? Michio Kaku has actually been working on the theory of everything. That's Einstein's unfinished theory of everything. When it is finished, we will know the cause of the big bang. That's a greater contribution to the human population that most likely anything you could ever give with the arrogant notions you so happily conform to.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
because you were. you find any chance you can to try to say how smart you really are. and when someone else shows you up, you go and get all upset


find any chance? you called me stupid, I showed you why I'm not, and you made up a story to one up me.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
because have you ever seen the parents when a child is born. there is nothing on earth like that.


what the **** did that have to do with anything? I said why do we still have sex, even if its not for the purpose of procreation? It's because our instincts drive us to.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
yes they are, thats why it has primal in it. and primal and primitive are related. trust me. i know latin and greek.


I said "despite what the name implies." Or did you conveniently leave out that part by accident like you've done multiple times so far.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
and so far you have never listed a single source


(hypocrisy called, and he wants his ideas back.)

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
no. its lumps. which makes it more than that.


lol. you sure are a quote miner.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
hmmm tell you what. i'ma give you a gun. you can shoot at a scab or a person. let me know which one you shoot at. you dont choose the worth. it something you just know.


You are the most hypocritical person I've ever seen. That would be an example of primal instinct ruling.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
no, life has a small meaning to you. it obvious by your posts.


no, that's just another false assumption. life means a lot to me.

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
thank you for showing you dont know a thing about girls. a girl will never admit anything is wrong with them. they just go through life upset as hell, but not showing it on the outside.


well if that's true then where the hell did they get that information from the survey?

Originally posted by GQGK View Post
and did you notice 95% of them said they wished they hadnt? thats a lot of kids that had to die for no reason.


Yep, I did notice. You act like those "kids" were impacting society in some way. Have you ever heard of a funeral held for an unborn child? No, because they had no social ties.

What about the 5% that were satisfied? Should we take away the option for them too, just because the rest of the women didn't really know what they wanted?

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Cobra-D
08-06-2009, 03:48 AM #21
You are killing potential human life. You are also killing potential advancements of society.

I believe that if it is 100% safe to have the child, then by all means have it, and give it to a family that wants it. I am not a woman, so my opinion really means nothing. It is not my decision to make, but I am just saying if I was in that situation that is what I would do.

If a woman is raped, she should not have to give birth to a child where the baby is half of a constant reminder of her being raped.

If the woman is going to die giving birth, then birth must be terminated, unfortunately that is all you can do.

I guess I am on the fence. I am not pro-life, nor pro-choice, but pro-best situation for the baby and mother.
08-06-2009, 05:33 AM #22
NP Carling26
Trolling is a art
Too many damn quotes in this thread. :( I feel like it's De ja Vu!!! Eek
08-06-2009, 06:32 AM #23
GQGK
Skillz
Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
Your arrogance astounds me.


hypocracy, you feel pressure so you get defensive.

Originally posted by another user
I admit it is killing a living creature. I see it as no more cruel than euthanasia.


a crime which is very illegal

Originally posted by another user
You said that sperm isn't a life. It is alive, therefore it is a life.


i never said it wasnt a life, i said it wasnt a human.

Originally posted by another user
I said I skimmed through a third of it, not the other way around. Your inability to discern the meaning of my words is really starting to annoy. How much of the bible have you read?


i've read the whole thing. and teaching religion based on 1/3 of a skimmed bible is arrogant. if you skim something for english class, odds are you dont remember it down the road.

Originally posted by another user
Yes, a girl can miss a period at any point, but the most common reason IS pregnancy. Birth control is over 99% effective, so now you are just trying to find little counter examples against the norm.


once again wrong. the most common reasons are activity and age

Originally posted by another user
lol.


good, your learning not to deny you dont know how a girl works outside of a textbook.

Originally posted by another user
Your matter-of-factly way of talking down to me is starting to annoy.


o sorry. truth hurts. i didnt know you were so sensitive

Originally posted by another user
and yet that's not what you said in the previous post. how convenient.


actually yes it is. you just cant read into things well. why the hell would i talk about menstruation with guys? are you really that ignorant, or do you just like to argue to try to prove yourself

Originally posted by another user
Really? Because there are babies that are born without brains, and surgeons aren't allowed to transplant the heart until the heart stops beating. They are protected under law because they are considered alive. Brain activity ISN'T part of the lawful definition. So much for your sister =/.


actually it is lawful definition. that is why you can take a person who is brain dead off life support, but if they have any brain activity you cant.

Originally posted by another user
Really? A fetus is conscious? Thank you for disproving an accepted medical fact that they are not until very late in the pregnancy.


actually once again you have your facts backwards. please do some research before coming here acting like you have any clue about medicine when all you know about it is living vs nonliving

Originally posted by another user
Embyo = Potential human life
Sperm Cell = Potential human life

I see no objective difference.


sperm = cell
embryo = human life

i see an objective difference. and a moral one. ever heard of those?

Originally posted by another user
That's not what I'm saying at all. If both parties agree with this, then I'm all for it. I'm saying one party shouldn't be forced into it by another.


who is being forced into it? have the kid or adoption. why force the baby into death

Originally posted by another user
I like how you can't dispute things objectively.


i like how you have no real world experience to back anything up. that is why learning knowledge purely to gain knowledge from a textbook is useless unless it is coupled with real world learning.

Originally posted by another user
I'd like to see that peer-reviewed study.


look it up then. its not one of those glossy magazine quotes either.

Originally posted by another user
So, you are saying you have one of the highest IQ's on record of any human being alive? Lol, and you expect me to take your word on that one.


i really dont care if you take it or not. i really dont feel a need to prove anything. if you really feel the need to have fun going through my files

Originally posted by another user
And you were actually wrong again. The IQ test can accurately measure to 220. That's the max, and up to there they are 96% accurate.


wrong again. it cant go that high because the constant change in the population means your IQ is always changing. that is how the IQ formula works. you cant measure to 220, only 165.

Originally posted by another user
Wrong again.


do you even know how the IQ is obtained? its not a steady number. it constantly fluctuates based on the rest of the people in the world.

Originally posted by another user
Caveman can be synonymous with ignorant, which was the impression you gave.


no, i gave the impression you are primal. wasnt it you that said people have evolved past the need for war? which is one of the top primal instincts, but now you say we still rely on instincts to go ****? if that was the case we wouldnt have gay people, because thats not how to reproduce. and dont say because i think war is needed i'm saying people are primal. i'm saying your dealing with uneducated that wont do anything else. we're talking about civilized countries when it comes to abortion.

Originally posted by another user
I'm actually physically laughing now. You sir are a prodigy :rolleyes:.


damn, i missed one of my achievements in that list. i hold the school record for shutouts in a season for soccer. that was also my sophomore year.

Originally posted by another user
You are basically saying that I should be frowned upon for seeking knowledge for knowledge's sake. And for the fact that I haven't cured cancer (don't take that literally, which I'm sure you probably would have) by the age of 16.


because obtaining knowledge for knowledge sake leads to nothing except you bragging that you know some theory that the guy next to you doesnt know. when knowledge is actually important when it allows you to deal with people.

Originally posted by another user
And I suppose I should just take your word for it? Well, seeing how good your word has been so far...


i really dont care if you believe it or not. i'm never going to meet you and i'm secure in myself enough to not have to act like i'm 12 and prove every little thing i say. i've done what i've done and thats all that matters

Originally posted by another user
the fact that you boast mythical qualities, yet can even deduct simple logic?


its not mythical, its hard work. its not like i'm like hey, i'm going to get the best jumpshot on my team. no, its hey, i'm going to practice 30 min a day on top of regular team practice and thats all i need to be the best. and what simple logic cant i get? the fact i have morals? that an embryo is a human and that killing it is murder? damn, i'm gonna have to practice my simple logic.

Originally posted by another user
How hypocritical. You speak of ideas like pro-life, yet you don't care about the progress of human kind. The nihilist taking sides with right-wingers? Michio Kaku has actually been working on the theory of everything. That's Einstein's unfinished theory of everything. When it is finished, we will know the cause of the big bang. That's a greater contribution to the human population that most likely anything you could ever give with the arrogant notions you so happily conform to.


life has nothing to do with the progress of mankind. why do you need to know the origin of mankind? or the creation of the universe? it happened and thats all that matters. now we're here and we can live. your denying a human the right to life. you look for knowledge written down by other people. where does that help mankind? that leads to no progress. look at einstein. he failed miserably in school. he never paid attention and he only made it into college out of shear luck. yet his theories have paved the way for things that we have yet to fully understand. everything from time travel to nuclear warfare have been discovered in part to his theories. and if you want to argue time travel hasnt been discovered please look at the theory of relativity and look at the tests conducted on it. based on it they can make time affect a person at a slower rate, thereby sending them into the future. this was even tested on an atomic clock. you think that by learning everything you can your helping the world. the birth of the baby is not to help obtain knowledge. knowledge is a temporary thing. at some point we'll write the rule of physics based on inventions and science. but if you really want to argue the baby is for progress then you might have aborted the one person that could lead the future. anyone can learn theories though. dont try to act intelligent because you know a theory. memorizing it doesnt make you smart. any one knows E=MC^2 means energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. but do you know why that is? or how to put it into effect? that is the other decent side of knowledge.


Originally posted by another user
find any chance? you called me stupid, I showed you why I'm not, and you made up a story to one up me.


i never called you stupid. i do find it funny you take a word like caveman and give it so many definitions when even in the context it was used its pretty obvious i meant primal.

Originally posted by another user
what the **** did that have to do with anything? I said why do we still have sex, even if its not for the purpose of procreation? It's because our instincts drive us to.


because of something you dont understand. love. its a feeling people get. it doesnt make you **** like you think it does. it makes you happy. it releases endorphins. people want to have kids not out of instinct, but out of love. if people wanted to reproduce like primal instincts say, they wouldnt use protection. no condoms and no birth control. because the whole instinct is reproduction. not sex.

Originally posted by another user
I said "despite what the name implies." Or did you conveniently leave out that part by accident like you've done multiple times so far.


i didnt leave that out. i quote every little word u you write so you cant say, that way you cant say i skipped over it.

Originally posted by another user
(hypocrisy called, and he wants his ideas back.)


i actually have listed sources. like the survey of first hand women. and the study at indiana university showing how much guys really think about sex. hypocrisy called cause he wanted to know if i had you number since you have his ideas. and then 1970 called because it wants its joke back.

Originally posted by another user
lol. you sure are a quote miner.


thats not a quote, its a respect for human life. you sure like acting like you know stuff you have no experience with.

Originally posted by another user
You are the most hypocritical person I've ever seen. That would be an example of primal instinct ruling.


nope, i just taught you a lesson to distinguish a sperm cell from an embryo. a cell vs lumps of cells.

Originally posted by another user
no, that's just another false assumption. life means a lot to me.[/qutoe]

thats funny. you sure seem eager to stop it in its tracks for some people

Originally posted by another user
well if that's true then where the hell did they get that information from the survey?


you really know nothing about girls so hear is a lesson. they dont talk about something unless asked. they respond to the questions in a survey because its a survey. simple enough. in life though, the girls you know are not going to talk to you about if it hurt them or not. number one you have proved that you dont know girls. i've had girls at my school get abortions too. they act fine at school. but if you talk to them about they cry and talk about the regret. i really encourage you to take a step away from your desk and call a girl and say, "hey, wanna go to dinner?" and you can become friends and you can study girls first hand and learn about psychology and how the brain functions for different genders. you dont learn anything first hand from a book, and you cant learn about girls from your mom. life doesnt work that way. and your gonna reply and be all pissy cause i was honest about what you dont know. its ok to admit you dont know something. trying to act like you have first hand knowledge is actually proving your wasting your brain. so just because you went to school with girls that had abortions means nothing.

Originally posted by another user
Yep, I did notice. You act like those "kids" were impacting society in some way. Have you ever heard of a funeral held for an unborn child? No, because they had no social ties.

What about the 5% that were satisfied? Should we take away the option for them too, just because the rest of the women didn't really know what they wanted?


thats because they could have impacted society. for someone who is so intense of the progress of mankind even you could figure that simple logic out.

there were not 5% satisfied with it. did you read the survey? you have an IQ of 145 but cant read a simple 5 response survey? 95% said they strongly regretted it. 1% said she regretted it (but not strongly) and 4% were unsure or N/A. so none of them were happy with it. that is ridiculous. because of something a girl did in a hurry with no thought she killed somebody. its not taking away the option to be mean. its taking it away because nothing good comes from it

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Originally posted by One View Post
You are killing potential human life. You are also killing potential advancements of society.

I believe that if it is 100% safe to have the child, then by all means have it, and give it to a family that wants it. I am not a woman, so my opinion really means nothing. It is not my decision to make, but I am just saying if I was in that situation that is what I would do.

If a woman is raped, she should not have to give birth to a child where the baby is half of a constant reminder of her being raped.

If the woman is going to die giving birth, then birth must be terminated, unfortunately that is all you can do.

I guess I am on the fence. I am not pro-life, nor pro-choice, but pro-best situation for the baby and mother.


that is a totally pro-life stand point. did you know that to figure out who the rapist was they actually have to do things to the mother that abort the baby if there is one? that is a different issue and no pro-lifer argues that, although pro-choicers use it as their first line of defense. and if the mother is going to die then its ok. its not like being a martyr for a cause. although elf was trying to say thats what pro-lifers believe.
08-06-2009, 04:31 PM #24
Cobra-D
Smells Like Teen Spirit
well that was a good read. Anyways elf, I say this cause I truely care, please be quiet. You can't win against him, he's just to stupid. He doedn't understand cause he's such a huge do.... well you know. Argue with coltz, he usually knows what he's talking about.

Anyways i'm pro choice. If the mom wants to abort there non concious baby then its there choice not mine. Not to mention the baby might end up to be the next hitler , yeah never thought of that did you.
08-06-2009, 04:46 PM #25
GQGK
Skillz
no i know what i'm talking about. your just pissed because you arent educated enough like me and elf to actually understand how medicine works. tell you what, how bout to let your mom make you a class of hot chocolate you sit down and learn some big boy things. and you say coltz is ok, and not me... yeah... go learn a few more things about life, then we can talk. until then you really should spend time on other sections than the debate. so far you have let someone argue something they dont believe for you because you are incapable of it, and gotten mad because someone knew what they are talking about. so if someone says something, dont get all pissy and say o your a douche cause you know what your talking about and i dont
08-06-2009, 04:59 PM #26
Cobra-D
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Originally posted by GQGK View Post
no i know what i'm talking about. your just pissed because you arent educated enough like me and elf to actually understand how medicine works. tell you what, how bout to let your mom make you a class of hot chocolate you sit down and learn some big boy things


thats cute. Yeah your right, i'm not educated as elf is (which sucks to cause i'm like three years older then him. Damn you elf damn you), However I'm probably smarter then you. Really I don't know how medicine works, really. I spent 17 years living in a damn healthcare facility and your saying i don't know how how medicine works. Okay thats cool then tell me how do you change a g-tube, or whats a j-tube use for. Can you tell what CPT does and stands for. Can ou tell me whats a Tb test is supposse to do and if it shows up positive whats the next thing your supposse to do. surely as you know how medicine works, you can answer all these for me seeing how I no nothing about medicine.
08-06-2009, 05:16 PM #27
GQGK
Skillz
a g-tube is a gastrostomy feeding tube. it is inserted in the left side of the abdomen, usually, and it goes directly into the stomach. the j-tube is designed to bypass the stomach and go directly into the intestinal track. the placement varries by the physician. CPT stands for Current Procedural Terminology. the tb test tests for tuberculosis. and if it is positive the first thing to do is quarantine. you work at the desk hahaha why else would you care about billing codes. thats why you know common medicine. working as a receptionist doesnt count. anyone can do that. my friend's mom does that and she just got her GED. do you know what a rotator cuff does, why its important, how big it is, and how to keep it from getting injured? or can you tell me why the hell you feel the need to ask someone questions that prove nothing. your a waste of my time
08-06-2009, 05:35 PM #28
Cobra-D
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Well actually that wasn't the CPT I was talking about buuut okay. I don't work as a receptionist either, an activity assistant, pretty much i play with the kids giving them the love that there parents won't give them. But anyways I rather not argue with you. Hate to turn this into a 2 page arguement agian.

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