Post: NGU, no longer what it used to be (MY OPINION!!!!!!)
02-19-2012, 10:34 PM #1
SAMCRO
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); okay like i said purely my opinion, i am no veteran on this site i think i joined in like 2009 and i remember hitting 150k members maybe even less i dunno so i hope my opinion actually means something to someone else.

but i joined this site mainly as i was into gaming and i loved doing glitches on W@W but i find i'm unable to even go into the individual gaming sections without being bombarded with Mr X 1337 hacker trying to shift his edit of a patch or trying to sell his service to hacks my account, yes i admit i did jailbreak my console but only for like a week before i decided meh this is boring to me, i know other people find it fun and some people are really good at it one name springs to mind: juddy.

i'm far from being the most active user on this site i barely even comment any more as there is very little that interests me anymore i know this is a major rant and i'll probably get a umadbro or if your not happy GTFO, but really should i have to GTFO for expressing an opinion on a matter thats actually incredibly annoying, i was here when the leechers crashed the site for the ps3 CFW and i accept that not everyone was a leecher but its just a shame to see what was such a great and helpful community turn into this fest of little kids trying to be the next mossy to their friends.

okay rant over just saying i miss NGU (also realised this thread may same pointless to some but i figured i might aswell post it here instead of talking to a brick wall although some of the users on this sit have the intellect of one :L)

thankyou very much please feel free to take the piss below Happy
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02-20-2012, 04:25 AM #11
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02-20-2012, 04:33 AM #12
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I`m getting tired of these "Ngu has changed" "My thoughts on Ngu" threads.. people need to get a life outside this site.
I just lol when i see the incredibly long posts in the form of essays.. *cough* scroll above *cough*

inb4 "says the guy with 5k posts".
02-20-2012, 04:40 AM #13
Around the time I joined was when these stories of NGU declining and shit happening. :fa: I joined exactly 366 days ago and being a newfag wasn't as bad as what I see happen to non-prems around here. People actually helped me when I needed help and got me to where I am today.
02-20-2012, 04:41 AM #14
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Originally posted by Assassin. View Post
I`m getting tired of these "Ngu has changed" "My thoughts on Ngu" threads.. people need to get a life outside this site.
I just lol when i see the incredibly long posts in the form of essays.. *cough* scroll above *cough*

inb4 "says the guy with 5k posts".


I'm fine with people who write essay posts. I even do it sometimes. But I hate when people complain that NGU has changed. Of course it's gonna change. That's how the world works. And nobody cares what you think about it changing, cause you can't do anything about it.
02-20-2012, 07:04 AM #15
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I agree that it's changed but I'm also annoyed with the premium members who think they're the shit. Also the people that post "Not this thread again". No one is forcing you to read it or post.
02-20-2012, 07:06 AM #16
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Heres my opinon ,
i have been here for a while , but i am not necessarily an OG (before 100k or 2009) . I honestly feel that NGU is fine , we got new user titles and alot of people wanted outie to be active , which i have seen him more than once in a short period of time . I completely agree with Ownage , if you want new content bring it yourself , instead of reminiscing bring something new. At the end of the day the community makes NGU , if we just bitch about " how bad staff is" or "outie is never active" "vb4 is gay" so on and so forth how can we expect to progress? Which is why i don't like certain ex-staff members ( they know who they are) in where they bitch and moan on a 24 hour basis , yet when they were staff they did not like it when people flamed them . The old days are gone , so lets appreciate the new ones.
02-20-2012, 07:21 AM #17
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Originally posted by Assassin. View Post
I`m getting tired of these "Ngu has changed" "My thoughts on Ngu" threads.. people need to get a life outside this site.
I just lol when i see the incredibly long posts in the form of essays.. *cough* scroll above *cough*

inb4 "says the guy with 5k posts".


Maybe if you read my "incredibly long posts" you'd understand my opinion on a subject, or learn something new. When I write posts it's because I actually have something to say not because I've got an overwhelming desire to post stupid memes and "inb4 [insert stupid sentence]". What you're saying is effectively walking into a forum thread and posting "tl:dr" which whenever anyone sees that they immediately peg the guy saying it as pathetic and it only serves to parade his abysmal attention span and sub-par intelligence. Seriously, if you thought that was an "essay" or "incredibly long" never go into the debate section, you fúcking head will explode.

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02-20-2012, 07:31 AM #18
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Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
Honestly, the fundamental problem with the forum is that there's little quality control and not enough people prepared to post as part of a community but I think you're expecting too much if I'm honest.

Do I see flaws with NGU, hell yeah, more than you realise. 1)As a gaming forum it fails on so many levels. It's console sections are too generic, 2)it doesn't have a proper PC gaming section, games that would harbour a decent modding community are ignored, Nintendo is particularly ignored, and Call Of Duty is given too much space and center stage driving away non-CoD gamers who will be put off simply by it being so prevelant. The thing is, NGU has formed naturally, and the community has grown around certain things 3)which generally don't last. "Gliches and Hacks" quite frankly are a niché appeal thing that most gamers couldn't give a shit about and many gamers are actually opposed to (myself included, there are many people who post things 4)like Trophy hacks for PS3 and I honestly welcome their PSN bans, they're ruining the games for everyone else). The problem is, because it's what brought the majority of the audience to NGU, it's what the admin assume the members want.

Personally, I'd opt to expand and vary NGU in many ways. I feel the elusive NGU members who all share CoD glitches aren't here (seriously, are they really that interesting, so what you made your game glitch, well done). They where here but they've moved on to do other stuff, outside of NGU because NGU offers nothing else.

Really though. NGU is a community, not the site structure, and while I complain that the Nintendo section get's ignored and no other games are included I don't advertise them. I don't post in the Nintendo sub-forum anywhere near as much as the general chat, so if I don't why would others? We can't expect the change to just happen, we need to push for it with positive persuasion. We want a GTA forum, post loads of GTA threads in the General Chat and ask a mod to make a section. Eventually they will because there's a demand for it. If you want to post glitches, or videos of the glitches you've found great, do so...

One important thing to do is use the reward systems. Thank posts that you appreciate and nominate threads that are particularly good. You can influence people to make good threads with simple praise and positive reinforcement. As stupid as it sounds, when I was a new member, I posted long, effort filled threads because I got loads of +reps and 'thanks', not because I liked my rep going up, but because it showed that people wanted and appreciated my threads. It's nice to feel appreciated.

So. My advice is this.

1. 6)Lead by example, make a decent thread at least once a day that you'd normally not make, and make sure to 'digg' the thread, 'like' it on Facebook, +1 it on Google, 'share' on Reddit and StumbleUpon. This will attract people to the forum that share your interests, and if your threads are good, make people post similar stuff.

2. 7)'Thank', 'Nominate' and 'Like' threads that you enjoy, especially the first two. While it's nice to receive a 'like' it's doesn't up your rep so it's not as noticable, however you're limited to, I think, 15 "Thanks" per day (to stop people spamming others with rep), where as you can 'like' as many times as you want. Specifically check out sub-forums you wouldn't normally as well, the main reason people don't post there, is others don't read there.

3. Make polite suggestions for format and layout changes no more than once per month in the site suggestions area of the forum. If you've got a good idea the admin team will listen.

These three steps will help NGU become what you want, but remember, it won't change overnight and it may never change. But the main thing is the community. Chat in the shoutbox, talk in the General Chat forums, and if you want a stimulating mature conversation come for a debate in the Debates section (but be warned we don't hold back). If the community is something you enjoy, that's what you should stay for in the long run.

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The bandwidth is a lot more when you get over 3/4 of a million members. It costs a lot to run a site with that many members... the members have quadrupled in the last 2 years. Did you not consider that?

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Yeah... like me.

I started out with suggestions in the "site suggestions", I would make good threads and contributions, but my threads stopped happening, I started becoming more antagonistic and my suggestions quickly became demands and insults for not doing stuff to my liking fast enough... so yeah, don't do what I did. It didn't work. To be fair, as I started to become a grumpy bastard who did this I was also in excruciating regular physiotherapy for multiple dislocations and complex suplications and under extreme stress... but shit happens to everyone.

The moral of the story is don't be a dick, like me, it doesn't work... unless it does work and I just wasn't trying hard enough, hmmm, I must try harder...
Ownage you're a cock, and you smell like wet fart :3

You are entitled to your opinion , just as i am of mine. Look at the bolds.1) As a gaming forum we fail? No we do not "fail" nGu receives a hell of a income , we have strong activity in the call of duty , auctions , battle field 3 , and more. Im not going to drop names here , but there have been cases of people saying the same thing your saying. In where they run on to make there own forum , where they will fix the "flaws" ( NO CFW , COD , Gay staff) . 8/10 they fail my dear sir. 2) The call of duty franchise has a high demand , it has a very strong fan base , therefore if a lot of ngu traffic comes for the cod section , let the cod section have its space ( its not like is size 78 font and takes up 1/2 the page) . As for nintendo , to me nintendo is a joke now a days. The super mario i played , is not the same as the mario of 2012 . Super Smash Bros , is not the one from the N64/GC . Also , the only enjoyable exclusive shooter i have ever heard of from nintendo would be goldeneye. However , that is my two cents. I see that section more for nostalgia then actual wii stuff , where the age groups of 12-14 may have not enjoyed N64 nor GC Classics. Also , Wii has mods and call of duty :dumb: . As for PC Gaming , i am not informed of it much , however i see nothing wrong with the section. 3) This site started off glitches and hacks :dumb: , and they don't last? LMFAO good one. 4) How does one players trophies affect another user? Unless your referring to the trophy LBS , then i don't see the harm. 5) If you don't like the content brought to NGU , i encourage you to leave the forum . 6) Thanks give you rep power of +10 , also you want all of us to post 1 decent a thread of day? Maybe a week , a good thread takes time and effort. 7) if we add more emphasis on the like and thank system , then boosting will become a problem.
02-20-2012, 08:59 AM #19
TornadoCreator
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Originally posted by PIMP
You are entitled to your opinion , just as i am of mine. Look at the bolds.

Being entitled to an opinion means nothing, everyone is entitled to an opinion... remember not all opinions are created equally and I like to think my informed and considered opinions are taken seriously. When people say things like, "that's just your opinion", they've already lost any argument they could make... but you're bringing up some polite points so I'll try to leave my pet peeves out of this Happy

Originally posted by PIMP
1) As a gaming forum we fail? No we do not "fail" nGu receives a hell of a income , we have strong activity in the call of duty , auctions , battle field 3 , and more. Im not going to drop names here , but there have been cases of people saying the same thing your saying. In where they run on to make there own forum , where they will fix the "flaws" ( NO CFW , COD , Gay staff) . 8/10 they fail my dear sir.

Yes, as a gaming forum NGU fails on many levels. It has no retro gaming sections, no PC gamer community, actively bashes Nintendo (which you do later in this post), and focuses heavily on areas of gaming (such as FPS games) that most gaming communities look down on. FPS games are the new fad, they are to the last 5 years what Platformers where to the early '90s. Does this mean NGU is a failed forum? No. It's got a strong community that's growing every day. But ask yourself something, how often do you discuss games on here. Most of the regulars I know don't, not really. A passing comment in the Shoutbox maybe. As a GAMING forum, yes, NGU is a failure, as a general chat forum it's a roaring success. Just because the break away sites have never succeeded doesn't mean NGU is a success in any specific role, just that the spin off sites failed even moreso. I'm judging NGU as a gaming forum and honestly, I don't discuss gaming here... I discuss religion, politics, and idly chat, but rare do I discuss gaming.

Originally posted by PIMP
2) The call of duty franchise has a high demand , it has a very strong fan base , therefore if a lot of ngu traffic comes for the cod section , let the cod section have its space ( its not like is size 78 font and takes up 1/2 the page) . As for nintendo , to me nintendo is a joke now a days. The super mario i played , is not the same as the mario of 2012 . Super Smash Bros , is not the one from the N64/GC . Also , the only enjoyable exclusive shooter i have ever heard of from nintendo would be goldeneye. However , that is my two cents. I see that section more for nostalgia then actual wii stuff , where the age groups of 12-14 may have not enjoyed N64 nor GC Classics. Also , Wii has mods and call of duty. As for PC Gaming , i am not informed of it much , however i see nothing wrong with the section.

I'm not saying the CoD section shouldn't exist, just that it, whether rightly or wrongly, puts off many gamers. CoD has a bad reputation amongst gamers, and CoD players aren't gamers. Generally you get gamers, who play a wide range of games, but usually pass Call Of Duty by because of it's reputation and excessive hype. Then you get Call Of Duty players, who play Call Of Duty and almost nothing else (and when they do play something else it's usually Sports/Racing games like FIFA or Gran Turismo). Go on tell me I'm wrong, because you know I'm not. These people aren't gamers, they're "jocks" with a console. They're into sports, cars, and CoD. They're not into gaming, high fantasy, animé, science-fiction, and comics.... it's two VERY DIFFERENT groups.

It honestly pisses me off that people write off Nintendo as a "joke". The Wii and DS have had more original games than any other platform in the last 5 years and almost the entire library is different meaning if you own another console they feel different. Owning a PS3 and an Xbox 360 (or either if you have a decent gaming PC) is largely pointless because most of the games are multi-platform. The Wii has an entirely different library and an extensive back-library though the Gamecube and Virtual Console. Honestly, the fact that Nintendo is so ignored here shows the immaturity of the members because any group of gamers around their mid-20s and older will hold Nintendo in high regard. It's games like Call Of Duty and Battlefeild 3 that appeal to the 13-16 age group so much which ironically makes them more childish than anything Nintendo does... hell, the average Pokémon player is in their early-mid 20's.

As for "mod communities", I specifically ment PC mods. Consoles don't have mod communities, not real ones. The PC section doesn't so much have anything wrong with it, it's just too generic so it's not inviting people to post. Like I say, this is a criticism, not a rant about how everything is shit. I'm pointing out the flaws and every site has flaws.

Originally posted by PIMP
3) This site started off glitches and hacks , and they don't last? LMFAO good one.

No, they don't. People grow out of them and find something else to amuse themselves with. "Glitches and hacks" is not a hobby, it's a minor quirk and that's why it's not a sustainable model for the forum. It's also why the majority of people who post in those sections are new, none-premium members, where as the regular members post in General Chat and hang in the shoutbox. Is there a demand for it, sure, but it's not like fan groups for long running series such as Final Fantasy, which will have people discussing junctioning tactics in FF8, or where to find materia in FF7, discussions about favourite characters, storylines etc. that lasts. Another example would be Minecraft. People discuss their creations, post let's plays, have little competitions, private servers. It's a game that people talk about. Mod communities last too. People who make entire mods, graphics, PHP scripts etc such as the Civ IV mods or things like Counter-Strike and Gary's Mod. These things will keep growing and developing for years.

Honestly, I've made this criticism multiple times, and people always say, "this site started...blah, blah". I really couldn't care less. I started life naked in my mothers vagina, doesn't mean I want to repeat that now does it? Seriously though, just because a site get's popular for something, or originally started for something, doesn't mean it can't change and grow.

Originally posted by PIMP
4) How does one players trophies affect another user? Unless your referring to the trophy LBS , then i don't see the harm.

Because it's not just trophies. They're cheating at the games themselves aren't they? Be honest. There are threads all over NGU about how to cheat in multiplaying in games like CoD and honestly, I wonder why you all bother. I really do. As for the trophies, I honestly don't care, but it's a principle. I'm sure some games use trophies to match people of similar skill level for example, that system doesn't work if there's a stupid n00b running around with hacked trophies.

Originally posted by PIMP
5) If you don't like the content brought to NGU , i encourage you to leave the forum.

Really?! "Don't like it GTFO", is that the best response to criticism you can come up with... that's sad. Some people aim to improve things that they enjoy.

Originally posted by PIMP
6) Thanks give you rep power of +10 , also you want all of us to post 1 decent a thread of day? Maybe a week , a good thread takes time and effort.

Yeah, I know "Thanks" give's rep, that's the point. Honestly... yeah, 1 decent thread a day isn't that hard. It'll take about 10 minutes. I'm not suggesting 1 well thought out editorial article per day, that would be a bit much, but a decent thread, maybe 2-3 paragraphs to get people talking about something... that's entirely reasonable.

Originally posted by PIMP
7) if we add more emphasis on the like and thank system , then boosting will become a problem.

Yeah, but there's problems with everything... that's why we have mods. Rep boosting sucks, but I think it's worth an increase in rep boosting and a touch of additional work for the mods to encourage more community spirit and better overall quality of posts. You know what they say, you can't make an omlette without breaking eggs.

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