Post: NGU, no longer what it used to be (MY OPINION!!!!!!)
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02-19-2012, 10:34 PM
#1
SAMCRO
Hurah!
but i joined this site mainly as i was into gaming and i loved doing glitches on W@W but i find i'm unable to even go into the individual gaming sections without being bombarded with Mr X 1337 hacker trying to shift his edit of a patch or trying to sell his service to hacks my account, yes i admit i did jailbreak my console but only for like a week before i decided meh this is boring to me, i know other people find it fun and some people are really good at it one name springs to mind: juddy.
i'm far from being the most active user on this site i barely even comment any more as there is very little that interests me anymore i know this is a major rant and i'll probably get a umadbro or if your not happy GTFO, but really should i have to GTFO for expressing an opinion on a matter thats actually incredibly annoying, i was here when the leechers crashed the site for the ps3 CFW and i accept that not everyone was a leecher but its just a shame to see what was such a great and helpful community turn into this fest of little kids trying to be the next mossy to their friends.
okay rant over just saying i miss NGU (also realised this thread may same pointless to some but i figured i might aswell post it here instead of talking to a brick wall although some of the users on this sit have the intellect of one :L)
thankyou very much please feel free to take the piss below
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02-20-2012, 09:49 AM
#20
glitchplz
Samurai Poster
Originally posted by TornadoCreator
Honestly, the fundamental problem with the forum is that there's little quality control and not enough people prepared to post as part of a community but I think you're expecting too much if I'm honest.
Do I see flaws with NGU, hell yeah, more than you realise. As a gaming forum it fails on so many levels. It's console sections are too generic, it doesn't have a proper PC gaming section, games that would harbour a decent modding community are ignored, Nintendo is particularly ignored, and Call Of Duty is given too much space and center stage driving away non-CoD gamers who will be put off simply by it being so prevelant. The thing is, NGU has formed naturally, and the community has grown around certain things which generally don't last. "Gliches and Hacks" quite frankly are a niché appeal thing that most gamers couldn't give a shit about and many gamers are actually opposed to (myself included, there are many people who post things like Trophy hacks for PS3 and I honestly welcome their PSN bans, they're ruining the games for everyone else). The problem is, because it's what brought the majority of the audience to NGU, it's what the admin assume the members want.
Personally, I'd opt to expand and vary NGU in many ways. I feel the elusive NGU members who all share CoD glitches aren't here (seriously, are they really that interesting, so what you made your game glitch, well done). They where here but they've moved on to do other stuff, outside of NGU because NGU offers nothing else.
Really though. NGU is a community, not the site structure, and while I complain that the Nintendo section get's ignored and no other games are included I don't advertise them. I don't post in the Nintendo sub-forum anywhere near as much as the general chat, so if I don't why would others? We can't expect the change to just happen, we need to push for it with positive persuasion. We want a GTA forum, post loads of GTA threads in the General Chat and ask a mod to make a section. Eventually they will because there's a demand for it. If you want to post glitches, or videos of the glitches you've found great, do so...
One important thing to do is use the reward systems. Thank posts that you appreciate and nominate threads that are particularly good. You can influence people to make good threads with simple praise and positive reinforcement. As stupid as it sounds, when I was a new member, I posted long, effort filled threads because I got loads of +reps and 'thanks', not because I liked my rep going up, but because it showed that people wanted and appreciated my threads. It's nice to feel appreciated.
So. My advice is this.
1. Lead by example, make a decent thread at least once a day that you'd normally not make, and make sure to 'digg' the thread, 'like' it on Facebook, +1 it on Google, 'share' on Reddit and StumbleUpon. This will attract people to the forum that share your interests, and if your threads are good, make people post similar stuff.
2. 'Thank', 'Nominate' and 'Like' threads that you enjoy, especially the first two. While it's nice to receive a 'like' it's doesn't up your rep so it's not as noticable, however you're limited to, I think, 15 "Thanks" per day (to stop people spamming others with rep), where as you can 'like' as many times as you want. Specifically check out sub-forums you wouldn't normally as well, the main reason people don't post there, is others don't read there.
3. Make polite suggestions for format and layout changes no more than once per month in the site suggestions area of the forum. If you've got a good idea the admin team will listen.
These three steps will help NGU become what you want, but remember, it won't change overnight and it may never change. But the main thing is the community. Chat in the shoutbox, talk in the General Chat forums, and if you want a stimulating mature conversation come for a debate in the Debates section (but be warned we don't hold back). If the community is something you enjoy, that's what you should stay for in the long run.
---------- Post added at 01:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:00 AM ----------
The bandwidth is a lot more when you get over 3/4 of a million members. It costs a lot to run a site with that many members... the members have quadrupled in the last 2 years. Did you not consider that?
---------- Post added at 01:15 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 AM ----------
Yeah... like me.
I started out with suggestions in the "site suggestions", I would make good threads and contributions, but my threads stopped happening, I started becoming more antagonistic and my suggestions quickly became demands and insults for not doing stuff to my liking fast enough... so yeah, don't do what I did. It didn't work. To be fair, as I started to become a grumpy bastard who did this I was also in excruciating regular physiotherapy for multiple dislocations and complex suplications and under extreme stress... but shit happens to everyone.
The moral of the story is don't be a dick, like me, it doesn't work... unless it does work and I just wasn't trying hard enough, hmmm, I must try harder...
Ownage you're a cock, and you smell like wet fart :3
Do I see flaws with NGU, hell yeah, more than you realise. As a gaming forum it fails on so many levels. It's console sections are too generic, it doesn't have a proper PC gaming section, games that would harbour a decent modding community are ignored, Nintendo is particularly ignored, and Call Of Duty is given too much space and center stage driving away non-CoD gamers who will be put off simply by it being so prevelant. The thing is, NGU has formed naturally, and the community has grown around certain things which generally don't last. "Gliches and Hacks" quite frankly are a niché appeal thing that most gamers couldn't give a shit about and many gamers are actually opposed to (myself included, there are many people who post things like Trophy hacks for PS3 and I honestly welcome their PSN bans, they're ruining the games for everyone else). The problem is, because it's what brought the majority of the audience to NGU, it's what the admin assume the members want.
Personally, I'd opt to expand and vary NGU in many ways. I feel the elusive NGU members who all share CoD glitches aren't here (seriously, are they really that interesting, so what you made your game glitch, well done). They where here but they've moved on to do other stuff, outside of NGU because NGU offers nothing else.
Really though. NGU is a community, not the site structure, and while I complain that the Nintendo section get's ignored and no other games are included I don't advertise them. I don't post in the Nintendo sub-forum anywhere near as much as the general chat, so if I don't why would others? We can't expect the change to just happen, we need to push for it with positive persuasion. We want a GTA forum, post loads of GTA threads in the General Chat and ask a mod to make a section. Eventually they will because there's a demand for it. If you want to post glitches, or videos of the glitches you've found great, do so...
One important thing to do is use the reward systems. Thank posts that you appreciate and nominate threads that are particularly good. You can influence people to make good threads with simple praise and positive reinforcement. As stupid as it sounds, when I was a new member, I posted long, effort filled threads because I got loads of +reps and 'thanks', not because I liked my rep going up, but because it showed that people wanted and appreciated my threads. It's nice to feel appreciated.
So. My advice is this.
1. Lead by example, make a decent thread at least once a day that you'd normally not make, and make sure to 'digg' the thread, 'like' it on Facebook, +1 it on Google, 'share' on Reddit and StumbleUpon. This will attract people to the forum that share your interests, and if your threads are good, make people post similar stuff.
2. 'Thank', 'Nominate' and 'Like' threads that you enjoy, especially the first two. While it's nice to receive a 'like' it's doesn't up your rep so it's not as noticable, however you're limited to, I think, 15 "Thanks" per day (to stop people spamming others with rep), where as you can 'like' as many times as you want. Specifically check out sub-forums you wouldn't normally as well, the main reason people don't post there, is others don't read there.
3. Make polite suggestions for format and layout changes no more than once per month in the site suggestions area of the forum. If you've got a good idea the admin team will listen.
These three steps will help NGU become what you want, but remember, it won't change overnight and it may never change. But the main thing is the community. Chat in the shoutbox, talk in the General Chat forums, and if you want a stimulating mature conversation come for a debate in the Debates section (but be warned we don't hold back). If the community is something you enjoy, that's what you should stay for in the long run.
---------- Post added at 01:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:00 AM ----------
The bandwidth is a lot more when you get over 3/4 of a million members. It costs a lot to run a site with that many members... the members have quadrupled in the last 2 years. Did you not consider that?
---------- Post added at 01:15 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 AM ----------
Yeah... like me.
I started out with suggestions in the "site suggestions", I would make good threads and contributions, but my threads stopped happening, I started becoming more antagonistic and my suggestions quickly became demands and insults for not doing stuff to my liking fast enough... so yeah, don't do what I did. It didn't work. To be fair, as I started to become a grumpy bastard who did this I was also in excruciating regular physiotherapy for multiple dislocations and complex suplications and under extreme stress... but shit happens to everyone.
The moral of the story is don't be a dick, like me, it doesn't work... unless it does work and I just wasn't trying hard enough, hmmm, I must try harder...
Ownage you're a cock, and you smell like wet fart :3
I disagree with Wii/other games needing more space. They have their own sections and are hardly posted in. A section needs to show a large amount of activity in order to expand in my opinion, you don't just expand every section and clutter the forums. I don't think a section that barely has 100 thread and not even 1,000 posts (Nintendo) deserves its own section, it is fine where it is.
02-20-2012, 09:50 AM
#22
Pimp
Rustler Of Jimmies
Originally posted by TornadoCreator
Being entitled to an opinion means nothing, everyone is entitled to an opinion... remember not all opinions are created equally and I like to think my informed and considered opinions are taken seriously. When people say things like, "that's just your opinion", they've already lost any argument they could make... but you're bringing up some polite points so I'll try to leave my pet peeves out of this
1)Yes, as a gaming forum NGU fails on many levels. It has no retro gaming sections, no PC gamer community, actively bashes Nintendo (which you do later in this post), and focuses heavily on areas of gaming (such as FPS games) that most gaming communities look down on. FPS games are the new fad, they are to the last 5 years what Platformers where to the early '90s. Does this mean NGU is a failed forum? No. It's got a strong community that's growing every day. But ask yourself something, how often do you discuss games on here. Most of the regulars I know don't, not really. A passing comment in the Shoutbox maybe. As a GAMING forum, yes, NGU is a failure, as a general chat forum it's a roaring success. Just because the break away sites have never succeeded doesn't mean NGU is a success in any specific role, just that the spin off sites failed even moreso. I'm judging NGU as a gaming forum and honestly, I don't discuss gaming here... I discuss religion, politics, and idly chat, but rare do I discuss gaming.
2)I'm not saying the CoD section shouldn't exist, just that it, whether rightly or wrongly, puts off many gamers. CoD has a bad reputation amongst gamers, and CoD players aren't gamers. Generally you get gamers, who play a wide range of games, but usually pass Call Of Duty by because of it's reputation and excessive hype. Then you get Call Of Duty players, who play Call Of Duty and almost nothing else (and when they do play something else it's usually Sports/Racing games like FIFA or Gran Turismo). Go on tell me I'm wrong, because you know I'm not. These people aren't gamers, they're "jocks" with a console. They're into sports, cars, and CoD. They're not into gaming, high fantasy, animé, science-fiction, and comics.... it's two VERY DIFFERENT groups.
3)It honestly pisses me off that people write off Nintendo as a "joke". The Wii and DS have had more original games than any other platform in the last 5 years and almost the entire library is different meaning if you own another console they feel different. Owning a PS3 and an Xbox 360 (or either if you have a decent gaming PC) is largely pointless because most of the games are multi-platform. The Wii has an entirely different library and an extensive back-library though the Gamecube and Virtual Console. Honestly, the fact that Nintendo is so ignored here shows the immaturity of the members because any group of gamers around their mid-20s and older will hold Nintendo in high regard. It's games like Call Of Duty and Battlefeild 3 that appeal to the 13-16 age group so much which ironically makes them more childish than anything Nintendo does... hell, the average Pokémon player is in their early-mid 20's.
4)As for "mod communities", I specifically ment PC mods. Consoles don't have mod communities, not real ones. The PC section doesn't so much have anything wrong with it, it's just too generic so it's not inviting people to post. Like I say, this is a criticism, not a rant about how everything is shit. I'm pointing out the flaws and every site has flaws.
5)No, they don't. People grow out of them and find something else to amuse themselves with. "Glitches and hacks" is not a hobby, it's a minor quirk and that's why it's not a sustainable model for the forum. It's also why the majority of people who post in those sections are new, none-premium members, where as the regular members post in General Chat and hang in the shoutbox. Is there a demand for it, sure, but it's not like fan groups for long running series such as Final Fantasy, which will have people discussing junctioning tactics in FF8, or where to find materia in FF7, discussions about favourite characters, storylines etc. that lasts. Another example would be Minecraft. People discuss their creations, post let's plays, have little competitions, private servers. It's a game that people talk about. Mod communities last too. People who make entire mods, graphics, PHP scripts etc such as the Civ IV mods or things like Counter-Strike and Gary's Mod. These things will keep growing and developing for years.
6)Honestly, I've made this criticism multiple times, and people always say, "this site started...blah, blah". I really couldn't care less. I started life naked in my mothers vagina, doesn't mean I want to repeat that now does it? Seriously though, just because a site get's popular for something, or originally started for something, doesn't mean it can't change and grow.
7)Because it's not just trophies. They're cheating at the games themselves aren't they? Be honest. There are threads all over NGU about how to cheat in multiplaying in games like CoD and honestly, I wonder why you all bother. I really do. As for the trophies, I honestly don't care, but it's a principle. I'm sure some games use trophies to match people of similar skill level for example, that system doesn't work if there's a stupid n00b running around with hacked trophies.
Really?! "Don't like it GTFO", is that the best response to criticism you can come up with... that's sad. Some people aim to improve things that they enjoy.
9)Yeah, I know "Thanks" give's rep, that's the point. Honestly... yeah, 1 decent thread a day isn't that hard. It'll take about 10 minutes. I'm not suggesting 1 well thought out editorial article per day, that would be a bit much, but a decent thread, maybe 2-3 paragraphs to get people talking about something... that's entirely reasonable.
10)Yeah, but there's problems with everything... that's why we have mods. Rep boosting sucks, but I think it's worth an increase in rep boosting and a touch of additional work for the mods to encourage more community spirit and better overall quality of posts. You know what they say, you can't make an omlette without breaking eggs.
1)Yes, as a gaming forum NGU fails on many levels. It has no retro gaming sections, no PC gamer community, actively bashes Nintendo (which you do later in this post), and focuses heavily on areas of gaming (such as FPS games) that most gaming communities look down on. FPS games are the new fad, they are to the last 5 years what Platformers where to the early '90s. Does this mean NGU is a failed forum? No. It's got a strong community that's growing every day. But ask yourself something, how often do you discuss games on here. Most of the regulars I know don't, not really. A passing comment in the Shoutbox maybe. As a GAMING forum, yes, NGU is a failure, as a general chat forum it's a roaring success. Just because the break away sites have never succeeded doesn't mean NGU is a success in any specific role, just that the spin off sites failed even moreso. I'm judging NGU as a gaming forum and honestly, I don't discuss gaming here... I discuss religion, politics, and idly chat, but rare do I discuss gaming.
2)I'm not saying the CoD section shouldn't exist, just that it, whether rightly or wrongly, puts off many gamers. CoD has a bad reputation amongst gamers, and CoD players aren't gamers. Generally you get gamers, who play a wide range of games, but usually pass Call Of Duty by because of it's reputation and excessive hype. Then you get Call Of Duty players, who play Call Of Duty and almost nothing else (and when they do play something else it's usually Sports/Racing games like FIFA or Gran Turismo). Go on tell me I'm wrong, because you know I'm not. These people aren't gamers, they're "jocks" with a console. They're into sports, cars, and CoD. They're not into gaming, high fantasy, animé, science-fiction, and comics.... it's two VERY DIFFERENT groups.
3)It honestly pisses me off that people write off Nintendo as a "joke". The Wii and DS have had more original games than any other platform in the last 5 years and almost the entire library is different meaning if you own another console they feel different. Owning a PS3 and an Xbox 360 (or either if you have a decent gaming PC) is largely pointless because most of the games are multi-platform. The Wii has an entirely different library and an extensive back-library though the Gamecube and Virtual Console. Honestly, the fact that Nintendo is so ignored here shows the immaturity of the members because any group of gamers around their mid-20s and older will hold Nintendo in high regard. It's games like Call Of Duty and Battlefeild 3 that appeal to the 13-16 age group so much which ironically makes them more childish than anything Nintendo does... hell, the average Pokémon player is in their early-mid 20's.
4)As for "mod communities", I specifically ment PC mods. Consoles don't have mod communities, not real ones. The PC section doesn't so much have anything wrong with it, it's just too generic so it's not inviting people to post. Like I say, this is a criticism, not a rant about how everything is shit. I'm pointing out the flaws and every site has flaws.
5)No, they don't. People grow out of them and find something else to amuse themselves with. "Glitches and hacks" is not a hobby, it's a minor quirk and that's why it's not a sustainable model for the forum. It's also why the majority of people who post in those sections are new, none-premium members, where as the regular members post in General Chat and hang in the shoutbox. Is there a demand for it, sure, but it's not like fan groups for long running series such as Final Fantasy, which will have people discussing junctioning tactics in FF8, or where to find materia in FF7, discussions about favourite characters, storylines etc. that lasts. Another example would be Minecraft. People discuss their creations, post let's plays, have little competitions, private servers. It's a game that people talk about. Mod communities last too. People who make entire mods, graphics, PHP scripts etc such as the Civ IV mods or things like Counter-Strike and Gary's Mod. These things will keep growing and developing for years.
6)Honestly, I've made this criticism multiple times, and people always say, "this site started...blah, blah". I really couldn't care less. I started life naked in my mothers vagina, doesn't mean I want to repeat that now does it? Seriously though, just because a site get's popular for something, or originally started for something, doesn't mean it can't change and grow.
7)Because it's not just trophies. They're cheating at the games themselves aren't they? Be honest. There are threads all over NGU about how to cheat in multiplaying in games like CoD and honestly, I wonder why you all bother. I really do. As for the trophies, I honestly don't care, but it's a principle. I'm sure some games use trophies to match people of similar skill level for example, that system doesn't work if there's a stupid n00b running around with hacked trophies.
Really?! "Don't like it GTFO", is that the best response to criticism you can come up with... that's sad. Some people aim to improve things that they enjoy.9)Yeah, I know "Thanks" give's rep, that's the point. Honestly... yeah, 1 decent thread a day isn't that hard. It'll take about 10 minutes. I'm not suggesting 1 well thought out editorial article per day, that would be a bit much, but a decent thread, maybe 2-3 paragraphs to get people talking about something... that's entirely reasonable.
10)Yeah, but there's problems with everything... that's why we have mods. Rep boosting sucks, but I think it's worth an increase in rep boosting and a touch of additional work for the mods to encourage more community spirit and better overall quality of posts. You know what they say, you can't make an omlette without breaking eggs.
This was quite a response , so i actually read and not skimmed it , to give you the response your deserve. So lets begin shall we .
1) NGU is an outstanding gaming forum because it has a place for EVERYONE , you could be the troll , the douchebag , the nice guy , etc. I have met on this forum distinctive people good and bad. Now , Me and you have different definitions for gaming. For me a gamer is someone who owns a gaming console and plays video games for a good amount of time (regardless of genre) . As for what you have said of the community , is we have developed roles i guess you can say. In where any topic on any day is acceptable (religion , gaming , drugs , ngu itself , and so forth) . If i told this community was perfect , i would be lying . Its still a great community . But we do give gaming its credit , we have a decent news team as well as media. On top of that i consider a gamer someone who plays call of duty, which you have even said it we pay alot of attention to cod.
2)This is my personal experience , in disc games i have every single cod , GTA , and FIFA 12. Those are games that i play / have based on culture and growing up. I don't see how call of duty has brought a bad reputation , there a plenty of people who don't play exclusively cod and a sport game. I see a lot of people minecraft and skyrim. Although they may be different groups , i am just not that big of a fan as adventure games as i used to be. Call of duty fits in my free time schedule as well as fifa , because i can play them passively as opposed to an adventure game which is based on levels , world , unlockables , etc. The PS3 adventure games i have enjoyed are GTAIV and AC , again that is me.
3) You love nintendo , which is fine i never said it was a childish thing. I do enjoy the classic gameboy games on my iPhone super mario , Donkey Kong , Zelda , pokemon , and more. These games made up my childhood. Therefore i do like the nostalgic feeling of going back . Now i do agree , there is originality in the story of the big nintendo hits. However , i do feel FPS games are finely crafted look at COD , Halo , GOW , BF . Amazing graphics , gameplay , and more as opposed to the previous consoles. These kind of games , were honestly a dream. Also , there are plenty of cod gamers above 16 such as myself. On top of that i know for a fact that nintendo has a very big child base , in where alot of purchases come from children.
4) I don't have knowlege of the pc section
5) Again like 4 , however when it comes to glitches and hacks. There are people who do have video game modding as a hobby. DEREK would be an example , he has played around with files . On top of that many people do await a jailbreak . In the jailbreak era , there were plenty of apps to mess with , hacking is a hobby. As for glitches people love finding glitches and putting them up on nGu/YouTube. Glitch hunting can be fun , and things such as out of map are always a fun time for factors like exploring maps.
6) You have proved my evolution point , where nGu started off as a gaming and hacking movement , then gaming , and now a expansion of a laid back community.
7) Sure i understand the principle , and what the value of trophies should be. However , its their game let them play it how they wish as long as im not affected. At the end of the game not enjoying the game is there loss.
No , I was restating Ownage's point in where we are what makes the community . If we all make challenge lobby patches , then this becomes a CL PLZ Forum. In where if you don't like it either be the innovator , deal with it , or leave.9) This is my perspective on making threads , i like making threads when i am inspired not for easy "rep" . If i have something to contribute , i will gladly share it . Which is why i post alot yet im not a avid thread maker , when i see an interesting news topic or a contribution that has not yet been seen . I will do my best to post it.
10) Not much i can say
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02-20-2012, 10:38 AM
#23
jonnyman69
Nate Haskall
Originally posted by SAMCRO
okay like i said purely my opinion, i am no veteran on this site i think i joined in like 2009 and i remember hitting 150k members maybe even less i dunno so i hope my opinion actually means something to someone else.
but i joined this site mainly as i was into gaming and i loved doing glitches on W@W but i find i'm unable to even go into the individual gaming sections without being bombarded with Mr X 1337 hacker trying to shift his edit of a patch or trying to sell his service to hacks my account, yes i admit i did jailbreak my console but only for like a week before i decided meh this is boring to me, i know other people find it fun and some people are really good at it one name springs to mind: juddy.
i'm far from being the most active user on this site i barely even comment any more as there is very little that interests me anymore i know this is a major rant and i'll probably get a umadbro or if your not happy GTFO, but really should i have to GTFO for expressing an opinion on a matter thats actually incredibly annoying, i was here when the leechers crashed the site for the ps3 CFW and i accept that not everyone was a leecher but its just a shame to see what was such a great and helpful community turn into this fest of little kids trying to be the next mossy to their friends.
okay rant over just saying i miss NGU (also realised this thread may same pointless to some but i figured i might aswell post it here instead of talking to a brick wall although some of the users on this sit have the intellect of one :L)
thankyou very much please feel free to take the piss below
but i joined this site mainly as i was into gaming and i loved doing glitches on W@W but i find i'm unable to even go into the individual gaming sections without being bombarded with Mr X 1337 hacker trying to shift his edit of a patch or trying to sell his service to hacks my account, yes i admit i did jailbreak my console but only for like a week before i decided meh this is boring to me, i know other people find it fun and some people are really good at it one name springs to mind: juddy.
i'm far from being the most active user on this site i barely even comment any more as there is very little that interests me anymore i know this is a major rant and i'll probably get a umadbro or if your not happy GTFO, but really should i have to GTFO for expressing an opinion on a matter thats actually incredibly annoying, i was here when the leechers crashed the site for the ps3 CFW and i accept that not everyone was a leecher but its just a shame to see what was such a great and helpful community turn into this fest of little kids trying to be the next mossy to their friends.
okay rant over just saying i miss NGU (also realised this thread may same pointless to some but i figured i might aswell post it here instead of talking to a brick wall although some of the users on this sit have the intellect of one :L)
thankyou very much please feel free to take the piss below
i completely agree with all that is stated, i loved the older days of ngu, now im like you rarely posting, i used to actually care about getting my post count up and having discussions with people, now their is not much i want to comment on as its all patchs and gameplay
02-20-2012, 11:56 AM
#24
TornadoCreator
A Storm Approaches.
Originally posted by glitchplz
I disagree with Wii/other games needing more space. They have their own sections and are hardly posted in. A section needs to show a large amount of activity in order to expand in my opinion, you don't just expand every section and clutter the forums. I don't think a section that barely has 100 thread and not even 1,000 posts (Nintendo) deserves its own section, it is fine where it is.
The problem is, because Nintendo isn't given it's own section, (in fact both the Wii and DS should have SEPERATE sections), the people who would normally make posts don't bother joining. You can't expect Nintendo fans and retro gamers to join a forum which categorically refuses to cater to some of the largest facets of gaming. Of course the sections are bare, they're hidden away where no-one can see them without purposely looking so even people who would make posts there decide not to bother because, "It's a tiny sub-forum, no-one will read it".
The fact is, just to seem impartial, ALL gaming forums should start with a General Discussions area, a Playstation area, an Xbox area, a Nintendo area, a Retro Gaming area, and a PC gaming area unless they're specifically a single game fan-site. That way they've got a solid area for all current aspects of gaming so they're never reliant on trends. If specific fandoms turn up (such as the Call Of Duty following on NGU), they get their own area, but by not having a fair and equal amount of space for the first six areas you limit who will join the forum and who will stick around in the first place and force people out of the community, or relegate them to General Chat and nothing else.
Originally posted by glitchplz
Ok this is getting annoying anyone know why when I post 50% of the time I hit the post button then I am redirected to an error page, I hit back and my post is posted twice?
No, but it's happening to me a fair bit as well, so it's probably a forum coding issue, might be worth contacting the admin over.
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Originally posted by PIMP
This was quite a response , so i actually read and not skimmed it , to give you the response your deserve. So lets begin shall we .
Thanks. I appreciate people who actually take the time to post rather than the "tl:dr" brigade. If you've come to a discussion forum, expect discussions to take place at the very least... that's what I always think.
Originally posted by PIMP
1) NGU is an outstanding gaming forum because it has a place for EVERYONE , you could be the troll , the douchebag , the nice guy , etc. I have met on this forum distinctive people good and bad. Now , Me and you have different definitions for gaming. For me a gamer is someone who owns a gaming console and plays video games for a good amount of time (regardless of genre) . As for what you have said of the community , is we have developed roles i guess you can say. In where any topic on any day is acceptable (religion , gaming , drugs , ngu itself , and so forth) . If i told this community was perfect , i would be lying . Its still a great community . But we do give gaming its credit , we have a decent news team as well as media. On top of that i consider a gamer someone who plays call of duty, which you have even said it we pay alot of attention to cod.
See, the thing is, I'd argue your definition of "gamer" is pointless. If you only play one game you're not a "gamer" you're just a fan of that game. Someone who's obsessed with Star Wars isn't a "film buff", someone who loves the Harry Potter books isn't a "bookworm". These terms describe people who's main hobby is a varied and eclectic intake of their medium. I play everything from strategy games, to RPGs, to action games, to platformers, arcade games, MMO's. I've owned every console from the Master System to the Xbox 360 (except the Wii and PS3, which I intend to buy), and I'm an avid PC gamer. I also play tabletop roleplaying games like Dungeons & Dragons, World Of Darkness, Shadowrun etc. I play miniture wargames like Warhammer and Pirates!, and I play collectable card games like Magic: The Gathering and Legend Of Five Rings. I am a GAMER! Someone who plays mainly Call Of Duty, even if they play it 10 hours a day isn't any more than a Star Wars fan who watches the occational other movie becomes a "film buff". This is my point, as a site aimed at Gamers the vast majority of gamers have no sections to call their own, only CoD fans are catered for... which is understandable, because that's a majority of this forum. Like I say, I'm not claiming this is a bad forum, it's just a poor GAMING forum.
As for a place for everyone... I don't want a forum with a place for the troll and the douchebag. They can sod off. How about a place for the Wii Gamer, the Retro Gamer, or the PC gamer... surely they're more important to cater for than the douchebag.
Originally posted by PIMP
2)This is my personal experience , in disc games i have every single cod , GTA , and FIFA 12. Those are games that i play / have based on culture and growing up. I don't see how call of duty has brought a bad reputation , there a plenty of people who don't play exclusively cod and a sport game. I see a lot of people minecraft and skyrim. Although they may be different groups , i am just not that big of a fan as adventure games as i used to be. Call of duty fits in my free time schedule as well as fifa , because i can play them passively as opposed to an adventure game which is based on levels , world , unlockables , etc. The PS3 adventure games i have enjoyed are GTAIV and AC , again that is me.
That's exactly my point. You effectively admit that the only games you play are CoD, sports games, and GTA (one of the most popular games ever released, and entirely infitting with the "jock" style interests as it's all about guns, cars, crime sindicates etc). I'm not saying you're not allowed to play games, but I wouldn't call you a gamer. That's the problem, if you call everyone who plays video games a gamer nowadays EVERYONE is a gamer because most people at least play facebook games, or smartphone games daily and even my 50 year old mother plays her DS for an hour or two every day. My mum isn't a gamer. She works a full time job yet still finds time to play about 10-15 hours of video games a week, and has a varied collection too, (She probably owns more games than you).
While I understand that people do still discuss gaming on NGU all I'm getting at is that for a gamer like me, who's been a gamer pretty much his entire life, (when you're in and out of hospitals, video game makes for a natural hobby), no-one here seems to be a gamer. Skyrim and Minecraft are so mainstream it's unreal, a gamer who hasn't played them is unheard of. There are genuinely people on this forum who've never played Final Fantasy 7... that's like having a film club filled with people who haven't seen Citizen Kane or Pulp Fiction... it doesn't happen.
Now as for Call Of Duty's bad rep. It's simple. Before Call Of Duty, none of you guys mattered in the gaming world. We had variety and a set sub-culture where we felt safe. Remember, most "gamers" as I define them, are geeks, often to the extreme. Comics, animé, star trek... the whole shebang, me included. This means most of us where heavily bullied in school for years by the horrible neandathal like "jocks" who where all into sports, cars, guns and smoked weed while pretending to act "hard" (sound like a few NGU members). Now I was lucky in that I'm built like a brick shithouse. I'm 6' 5" and over 300lbs and while I may be medically screwed now so much that I struggle walking, I wasn't as a teenager and I topped 6' at only 14 years old. I wasn't bullied, in fact, I used to beat the shit out of the bullies and stick up for the geeks and special needs kids. I very nearly got kicked out of school because I would go looking for fights with the "jocks" that bullied my friends. Now consider how much these geeks want to share their hobby with these same jocks. They've come in and now all the consoles have sports games, racing games and FPS games than most gamers aren't interested in. The thing is there's more jocks than geeks... there always has been, so buying power has made it so that FPS and sports games are rediculously common. The games gamers liked, the quirky adventure games, the story driven RPGs, these are gone. Seriously, they're GONE. Last year there where 6 JRPGs released on home consoles. How many FPS games where there... 50+ or more. Just SIX, I can even name then all. 'Record of Agarest War Zero' and 'Final Fantasy XIII-2' on both PS3 and Xbox 360; '
isgaea 4', 'White Knight Chronicles II' and 'Tales of Graces' as PS3 Exclusives and 'Xenoblade Chronicles' as Wii Exclusive. The first didn't make it to Europe, and the last didn't make it to USA (yet). Oh, yeah and they where all shit except 'Xenoblade Chronicles' and 'isgaea 4', so if you own a 360 and like Japanese style RPG's you're ****ed... you've got Lost Odyssey from back in 2008, THAT'S IT!!! Seriously. One game for the whole genre.Many people blame Call Of Duty and the CoD fans for this. They've ruined gaming. Games companies only greenlight things that will sell, so all we get now is muddy dark military FPS games than no sod wants (remember this is from the gamers perspective, go on ANY other gaming site and gamers almost universally hate this genre). Guns and war don't interest gamers, it interest jocks. So not only do they get to beat the shit out of the geeks, when they grow up they steal their hobbies. Gamers HATE CoD fans way more than you realise. But it's not just that...
Call Of Duty also has a reputation and that hurts gamers too. CoD gamers are known publically for being racists, homophobes, rude, bigotted, arseholes who lack and social skills or manners. This is both in person for the way they act in stores and in public, acting like little "badasses" because they're good at CoD and smoke weed... yeah, real badass there, and for the way they act online. On things like XBLA or PSN, multiplayer FPS games are horrible places to be where you will be insulted and screamed at by 12 year old bigots, and God help you if you're a woman or gay because the treatment will be even worse. It's entirely unwelcoming and makes people hate the subculture. The thing is... it makes people hate the subculture. If you tell a non-gamer that you're a gamer nowadays, especially if they're over the age of 30, people assume you're a violent, disgusting, bigotted, douche that spends hours a day insulting people over the internet. Outside of the consoles, forums and places like YouTube are filled with disgusting comments from CoD fans threatening to "skull**** your mum" and things like that, because you dare to disagree with them about something. They give gamers a bad name, so much so that gamers are often ashames to admit they're gamers incase they get mistaken for a CoD-kiddie.
Now you know how gamers see Call Of Duty. If you honestly asked most proper gamers, "If you could get rid of any game series ever, which would you pick?", Call Of Duty will be one of, if not THE highest voted. Until I joined NGU, I pretty much felt this way about CoD. I've since given it a chance and seen that not all CoD players are twats... but you're still not one of us, you're gamers like us... you're jocks with console, and it's hard to stop disliking the same subgroup who beat up your friends and treat you like shit your entire school life.
Wow... that was longer than I thought... sorry, but it was an important point to make.
Originally posted by PIMP
3) You love nintendo , which is fine i never said it was a childish thing. I do enjoy the classic gameboy games on my iPhone super mario , Donkey Kong , Zelda , pokemon , and more. These games made up my childhood. Therefore i do like the nostalgic feeling of going back . Now i do agree , there is originality in the story of the big nintendo hits. However , i do feel FPS games are finely crafted look at COD , Halo , GOW , BF . Amazing graphics , gameplay , and more as opposed to the previous consoles. These kind of games , were honestly a dream. Also , there are plenty of cod gamers above 16 such as myself. On top of that i know for a fact that nintendo has a very big child base , in where alot of purchases come from children.
Actually I don't love Nintendo. I was a SEGA kid growing up. I actually have a reputation on multiple forums, and on YouTube as a "Nintendo hater" because I don't suck Miyamoto's cock every time he remakes Ocarina Of Time (which is overrated to begine with) and pretends it's a new game. Now, sure, Nintendo always have a big child following, but honestly, the average gamer is 31 years old now. I'm a member of 2 gaming societies and most people are in their late 20's and early 30's. The most common gaming devices are gaming PC's, Wii's and DS's. You say you "know for a fact", but you don't. You see cartoony games and assume kids are buying them. You see one or two kids in shops and assume they're the entire audience. Most people I know order from Amazon, or direct download games on the Virtual Console. The average 30 year old gamer doesn't go to GameStop or Gamestation because many are ashamed to buy games publically because of the stigma that FPS gaming has caused. Remember, in my generation and the generation before me, a lot of people didn't grow up with games so they're not the standard go to entertainment media. People make assumptions, rightly or wrongly. Like you say, there are plenty of adults who play CoD, there has to be, millions of copies where sold. But what we hear are the 12 year old racist cocks of Xbox Live.
But yeah. I don't love Nintendo. Actually I think Nintendo is extremely overrated, gets buy largely on nostalgia, I hate the company because it only cares about it's Japanese fans and forces strict publishing contracts on third parties, and worst of all, the Nintendo fanboys are some of the whiniest, shit-eating, little arsehats, who complain at the drop of a hat. The only difference between me and the rest of NGU is I actually acknowledge Nintendo. I don't sit there pretending it doesn't matter and no-one plays it. Actually more people play Nintendo than Xbox 360 and PS3 combines and there are so really good games on their consoles. I don't lie to myself saying it's "only kids" when I know that actually kids and teens tend to go for the Xbox 360 statistically and the average Wii gamer is in their bloody 30's. It's just honesty.
Originally posted by PIMP
4) I don't have knowlege of the pc section
5) Again like 4 , however when it comes to glitches and hacks. There are people who do have video game modding as a hobby. DEREK would be an example , he has played around with files . On top of that many people do await a jailbreak . In the jailbreak era , there were plenty of apps to mess with , hacking is a hobby. As for glitches people love finding glitches and putting them up on nGu/YouTube. Glitch hunting can be fun , and things such as out of map are always a fun time for factors like exploring maps.
5) Again like 4 , however when it comes to glitches and hacks. There are people who do have video game modding as a hobby. DEREK would be an example , he has played around with files . On top of that many people do await a jailbreak . In the jailbreak era , there were plenty of apps to mess with , hacking is a hobby. As for glitches people love finding glitches and putting them up on nGu/YouTube. Glitch hunting can be fun , and things such as out of map are always a fun time for factors like exploring maps.
Oh yeah, sure. Glitch hunting has been around since early NES games and early 80's PC games. I don't see the appeal myself, but I'm sure people enjoy it. What I'm saying is it's a very niché hobby and most people get bored of it and move on after a while. As for modding, I get that people mod games, but not usually on consoles. Modding is very much a PC gamer thing, I know, I've written mods for Civilization IV myself and there's massive mod communities out there.
Originally posted by PIMP
6) You have proved my evolution point , where nGu started off as a gaming and hacking movement , then gaming , and now a expansion of a laid back community.
Yeah, I wasn't arguing against that. I want it to evolve away from just hacking and CoD, it's other people who refuse saying "NGU started as this and if you don't like it GTFO".
Originally posted by PIMP
7) Sure i understand the principle , and what the value of trophies should be. However , its their game let them play it how they wish as long as im not affected. At the end of the game not enjoying the game is there loss.
let me sleep and ill finish the response.
let me sleep and ill finish the response.
OK, It's been a fun chat, I look forward to your response.
I just want to note that, while I'm discussing this, I'm not jumping on the "NGU needs to change" bandwagon. While I would happily change things in a heartbeat, complaining about it is going about it the wrong way. I made the Nintendo section visible by posting threads and putting effort in, I stopped and it dried up... now I'd appreciate other people who may agree with me, sharing the load in future, but if I want to see the sections I mention becoming popular the best way is to start threads, encourage posting, spread threads about... etc. All that good stuff, not shouting and swearing at the admin team. I just want it clear that while I'm basically bashing the site and the Call Of Duty focus, this is just an opinion peice and I actually feel the community aspect of NGU is very good and supportive... mostly (there's still the odd spammer and immature sod, but you always get that).
02-20-2012, 12:23 PM
#25
ShinigamiUzi
Proud to be a Player
02-20-2012, 02:09 PM
#26
SAMCRO
Hurah!
thankyou all for expressing your opinions i know alot of you say that this kind of thread is just annoying but sometimes it does serve a purpose the main reason i created this is im due to go away into the army soon and i fancied a good old rant about everything bah humbug! :L i never expected ngu to stay the same i just didn't expect such a rapid decline :/ call me old fashioned if you will 
, i'm not complaining that there isn't enough new content but more there is a lack of varied content it's all the same horseshit day in day out, i think hacks and cheats are good to a point but it's basically what has made this site what it is today, which in my opinion is, it's rubbish now compared to back in the beginning thankyou all very much and i have read through everysingle post as all of your opinions are rather intriguing BYE
, i'm not complaining that there isn't enough new content but more there is a lack of varied content it's all the same horseshit day in day out, i think hacks and cheats are good to a point but it's basically what has made this site what it is today, which in my opinion is, it's rubbish now compared to back in the beginning thankyou all very much and i have read through everysingle post as all of your opinions are rather intriguing BYE
02-20-2012, 02:36 PM
#27
Lynchy91_EFC
Banned
02-20-2012, 03:18 PM
#28
Ameht!
Dark Knight
Originally posted by SAMCRO
okay like i said purely my opinion, i am no veteran on this site i think i joined in like 2009 and i remember hitting 150k members maybe even less i dunno so i hope my opinion actually means something to someone else.
but i joined this site mainly as i was into gaming and i loved doing glitches on W@W but i find i'm unable to even go into the individual gaming sections without being bombarded with Mr X 1337 hacker trying to shift his edit of a patch or trying to sell his service to hacks my account, yes i admit i did jailbreak my console but only for like a week before i decided meh this is boring to me, i know other people find it fun and some people are really good at it one name springs to mind: juddy.
i'm far from being the most active user on this site i barely even comment any more as there is very little that interests me anymore i know this is a major rant and i'll probably get a umadbro or if your not happy GTFO, but really should i have to GTFO for expressing an opinion on a matter thats actually incredibly annoying, i was here when the leechers crashed the site for the ps3 CFW and i accept that not everyone was a leecher but its just a shame to see what was such a great and helpful community turn into this fest of little kids trying to be the next mossy to their friends.
okay rant over just saying i miss NGU (also realised this thread may same pointless to some but i figured i might aswell post it here instead of talking to a brick wall although some of the users on this sit have the intellect of one :L)
thankyou very much please feel free to take the piss below
but i joined this site mainly as i was into gaming and i loved doing glitches on W@W but i find i'm unable to even go into the individual gaming sections without being bombarded with Mr X 1337 hacker trying to shift his edit of a patch or trying to sell his service to hacks my account, yes i admit i did jailbreak my console but only for like a week before i decided meh this is boring to me, i know other people find it fun and some people are really good at it one name springs to mind: juddy.
i'm far from being the most active user on this site i barely even comment any more as there is very little that interests me anymore i know this is a major rant and i'll probably get a umadbro or if your not happy GTFO, but really should i have to GTFO for expressing an opinion on a matter thats actually incredibly annoying, i was here when the leechers crashed the site for the ps3 CFW and i accept that not everyone was a leecher but its just a shame to see what was such a great and helpful community turn into this fest of little kids trying to be the next mossy to their friends.
okay rant over just saying i miss NGU (also realised this thread may same pointless to some but i figured i might aswell post it here instead of talking to a brick wall although some of the users on this sit have the intellect of one :L)
thankyou very much please feel free to take the piss below
I feel you Bro , I do remember your name from back at the end of 2009. The end of 2009 is when this site was at its peek. I have given my opinion on the matter before and I think the decline wasn't the leecher it was the onslaught of lil immature kids , I know we have always had them but sometime in 2010 it seems like the common age group went down to 12-16.
In the last couple of month at least they have gotten a good staff in place but we did loose alot of the contributors.
Back to my point on children. Even you posted that most will post , tl/dr , umadbro , cool story , etc , garbage post , garbage member , Immature ass Mentality .
Advice I would give is to remember this is a forum on the interwebz on a few member literally live on Ngu , and they know who they are.
I Myself am here almost on a daily basis , reading and just staying updated , But then I get off , go be a family man , go out , and most importantly having sex while alot of kids are on here writing jibberish in the shoutbox or writing useless post on this forum.
Originally posted by Mugen904
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You see here is one of those people I was talking about , 1st post and its a non useful post. Instead of NOT POSTING ANYTHING , he has to waste his time and ours by posting a picture that says Blah Blah Blah. Like really ? /facepalm
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