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So Dumbass is ignoring the LFA data and still pushing his bullshit, moved on now to the SL55

Here is the data I found on the car

Autocar magazine

The SL55 was tested against a Lamborghini Murcielago, Porsche 911 GT2 ...heres the results

0-62mph:
Lambo = 3.6
Porsche = 4.0
Merc = 4.6

0-124mph:
Lambo = 11.4
Porsche = 13.1
Merc = 13.7

0-186mph:
Merc = 32.5
Lambo = 34.2
Porsche = 40.9

mercedes SL55 beats both at 0-186mph...this can only be explained by the mercedes' fabulous aerodynamics, which also help it achieve a top speed around the Nardo track in Italy of 202mph (325km/h)

this is of course with the 155mph limiter removed

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YZF GT6 Time is 0-300km/h is 36.9 sec

lol He thinks its supposed to take 51 seconds because he posted a video of some joe blow accelerating to 300klm in a SL55, and the time stamp on the video is 51 sec, BUT first off the car doesn't launch until 6 seconds into the video, so thats really 45 seconds, and we don't know anything other than he was probably on a public road. It looks like he had TCS or some type of Stability system on but we dont know. We don't know if it was a hill, beat up engine, bald tires, on a corner (lol)

HOWEVER

I did find the guy did a second run to 280km/h in 32 seconds, Now thats more like it, still a bit shy of the on paper specs but looks to line up perfectly with the GT6 in game run of 36.9. Even still, the pro driver on a closed track did better



The PROPER Testing done shows us this

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YZF Just has serious issues with where he sources his information and does not seem to do the proper research needed.

MORE DATA
I did find this, but Im not fond of the source, no info on where the numbers came from & I found they have used bad numbers before (I have examples) but here it is anyways

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Nothing pisses me off like people trying to sell bullshit

Ferrari 458 Italia Auto Motor Sport Test

Engine: V8, 570 hp, 540 Nm
Gearbox: 7-speed-double-clutch
Tyres: Michelin Pilot Sport

Weight: 1544 kg
Vmax.: 326 km/h

0-40 km/h in 1,2 s
0-100 km/h in 3,4 s
0-160 km/h in 6,9 s
0-200 km/h in 10,4 s
0-260 km/h in 19,2 s
0-300 km/h in 32,4 s
400 metres: 11,3 s (208 km/h)

Braking distance (100-0 km/h): 33,0 m/33,3 m (cold/warm)


Some planned test for sometime in the next few days


Oh and in case yall thought I might of forgot about Camber with MoTeC Nope, I got something big Im working on for Camber, but Im collecting data from another source and I have to wait on them to build up some data before I present mine so I have collected data before I step in. So far cruising a half second faster than them & with no ABS lol

WOW

After everything posted YZF is still pushing those 0-300-0 that everybody knows were done on a banked track (High Speed Oval lol) trying to pass them as legit flat track testing, but only a fucking serious moron would believe they were.

Hes spewing bullshit now saying the properly tested merc times look suspicious. Is this kid for-real!?!?!?!?

His logic on this is that the Porsche has roughly the same power but considerably less weight it should of beat the Merc. Its pointed out the Merc has more torque and a broader power curve, but Dipshit YZF says torque has nothing to do with acceleration, and HP is the more important value

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

breath

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Fuck its like anything this kid says the truth is the polar opposite.

SiNiST3R LOOKS INTO THE TOP SPEED ISSUE

A lot of chatter chitter is going on about the GT6 top speed issues. This issue is cars going faster than the cars on paper top speeds or dealership specifications etc. I have noticed this issue however I've given it little priority as IMO lap time numbers are much more important. Since MoTeC i2 has given me more tools I have been doing acceleration test (and I have a lot of braking test on the way) I decided to look into the Top Speed issue.

So inorder to effectively look into this issue there are a few key ingredients we need to keep in mind during the testing.

Firstly, We need to source Real World Data

So far he only 2 cars I've found for a Top Speed Comparison Test are the McLauren F1 & The Bugati Veyron

The reason for this is serious. Firstly when most top speed test in the real world are done they pull until red line if they can. If the car hits top speed before hitting the red line it is considerred Drag Limited, but if the car hits top speed at red line it is considerred Rev Limited. The do not hold throttle into the red line until the car tops off if it is rev limited, the throttle is let go at the rev limit and the speed at rev limit is the cars "Stock" top speed rev limited.

The McLauren F1 & Veyron were both built to push the top speed limit.. They made specific record attempts and both cars held the Production car LSR.

Keep in mind on most cars it is the red line they use as a limit, they do not bounce the car off the limiter, or governor. Only some cars will go so far as to pull into the red line or remove the governor for top speed test, this is why the McLauren F1 & Veyron are interesting, both these cars were run unrestricted to push the limit and set a record.

Any car that is Rev Limited is not eligible for testing UNLESS the test is Rev Limited, meaning the top speed pull stops at the red line. The Speed at red line in top gear is marked as the "Top Speed" of the "Stock" car.

After this we need to find lower powered cars that are Drag limited, BUT tested to the limit as the F1 and Veyron are so that the cars actual Drag Limit is reached not the theoretical Drag limit.


I WILL POINT OUT[/B]
I believe the cars can rev much further past red line than they should and can hit speeds much faster than the real cars, the problem here is real world data is Drag, or Rev Limited there is no real source for holding the throttle until the rev governor is hit (not really smart thing to do at full load, and full speed) SO I wont bother testing how much further a rev limited car can accelerate past the rev limited top speed there is no point.


In the Game I can go on testing how things impact top speed changing, weight, aerodynamics and power. To see if there is an element that is not having the impact that it should (spoiler alert, one of these factors is going to flag an issue) When we have the data collected we can begin to make our comparison.

McLauren F1

The McLaren F1 XP5 has a top speed of 240 mph (386 km/h), restricted by the rev limiter at 7500 rpm. The true top speed of the McLaren F1 was reached in April 1998 by the five-year-old XP5 prototype. Andy Wallace (racer) piloted it down the 9 km (5.6 mi) straight at Volkswagen's test track in Ehra-Lessien, Germany, setting a new world record of 243 mph (391 km/h) at 8300 rpm. As Mario Andretti noted in a comparison test, the F1 is fully capable of pulling a seventh gear, thus with a higher gear ratio or a seventh gear the McLaren F1 would probably be able to reach an even greater top speed—something which can also be observed by noticing that the top speed was reached at 7800 rpm while the peak power is reached at 7400 rpm.

So far the Prototype looks like its a bit faster than the Production run. Im also surprised the record was made so many years after the car was in production and still by the prototype car. Looks very suspicious of a XP5 car with a lil more to it than the road going car in 1992.

Track tests
Tsukuba Circuit, time trial: 1:04.62 on a hot lap

Millbrook Proving Ground in Bedfordshire, 2-mile (3.2 km) banked circuit, top speed test: An average speed of 195.3 mph (314.3 km/h), with a maximum speed of 200.8 mph (323.2 km/h) (driven by Tiff Needell using the XP5 prototype).

MIRA, 2.82-mile (4.54 km) banked circuit, top speed test: An average speed of 168 mph (270 km/h), with a maximum speed of 196.2 mph (315.8 km/h) (driven by Peter Taylor).

Initial Results

In GT6 The McLauren F1 is Drag Limited to 224mph WTF?!?!?! I was not expecting the car to be slower than all posted numbers for the car, Im going to run the Veyron test now to see how that car holds up.

Source is Wikki but the info checks out.

Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '09[/b]

The original version had a top speed of 407.12 km/h (252.97 mph). It was named Car of the Decade (2000–2009) by the BBC television programme Top Gear. The standard Bugatti Veyron also won Top Gear's Best Car Driven All Year award in 2005.

The current Super Sport version of the Veyron is recognized by Guinness World Records as the fastest street-legal production car in the world, with a top speed of 431.072 km/h (267.856 mph),[5] and the roadster Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse version is the fastest roadster in the world, reaching an averaged top speed of 408.84 km/h (254.04 mph) in a test on 6 April 2013

Source is Wiki but the info checks out

Initial Test

In GT6 The Veyron is Rev Limited to 250mph however unrestricted as the record run was done, the car pulls 255mph in the red. So the Veyron is slightly less Drag Limited to 255mph vs the real car Drag Limited to 253mph.

A big ol 2mph difference from Real to GT6


This is not what I was expecting I must say. According to all the Chatter Chitter the top speeds are broken horribly, but so far the cars Ive tested are showing results that even surprise me.

The SL55 AMG

In GT6 the car uses the 5spd automatic and its Rev Limited to 195mph, pulling slightly into the red achieves 202mph BUT the car will keep accelerating deep into the red up to 225mph.


Edit the 7spd appears to be an SL65 AMG Option the SL55 AMG IRL has a 5spd automatic only (Still researching the car fully) we have to be sure we have the same transmission, so I will look into the gear ratios. The car also has launch control making acceleration testing off the line difficult, I have to check if the Launch Control is an option on the SL55 AMG or was just on the SL65 AMG.


In the real world its Top Speed restricted to 155mph & 202mph was hit with the restrictor removed, although Im not sure at what RPM. I will have to research what RPM 202mph was hit at.

What should be interesting is if you look at the 3 cars Ive tested so far.

F1 Looks like things are broken, cars are too slow

Veyron looks like things are just about spot on

SL55 AMG looks like things may be broken cars are too fast.


Interesting isn't it

F1 Looks like they either undershot its abilities or maybe the XP5 Prototype is the Special Car.

Veyron just looks too close to have any issues with

SL55 AMG looks like its red line is alright but potentially GT6 has not implemented the rev governor as it should be. I think that even with the 155mph restrictor removed the car should still have a rev governor. This car does spark the most questions. One could look at 202mph being slightly into the red and call it a day, but I want to dig into the 22mph gap further. Its going deeeeeeep into the red. The question does come up was the paticular car tested to red line or rev limiter, and is the rev limiter at the correct rpm or did the car run out of flat straight. A lot of questions I cant find the answers to with any certainty.

Looking into these test I'm finding most top speed testing of the 200mph + cars is getting done on the oval test tracks (for good reason) but this poses a problem for us in GT6. Acceleration to top speed is dependent on the layout of the track and if the car is capable of hitting maximum speed on the straight, or if the car sprints to 200km/h then takes the banked corner and tries to hit top speed using as much momentum through the corner back into the straight.

The GT6 Test track is unlike any test track in the world as the straight between banked corners is longer than any real world test track. We can hit out top speeds before hitting the corner and thus our run is completely done on a straight flat track.

In the case where a car can build up momentum in the corner and still be accelerating when the backed corner arrives theoretically put that car on a flat as long as the Test Track in GT6 and it will hit higher top speeds then it could on the track in real life.

Either way, Drag Limited cars so far look all good. I have to test more cars though keeping GT6 exclusive.

The Rev Limited cars pose a more complex challenge as details of what limited top speed, the track, red line, rev limit etc, this needs to be clear, the info is not easy to come by where as the drag limited cars are very simple to test. I will look into rev limiters and see if they are correct or not.

Im abandoning the SL55 AMG, as I cannot find the needed info to make a educated call on it. Instead I will research looking for cars where the top speed test data I need is readily available and I will limit this to cars exclusive to GT6 that were built for the GT6 system. not sure what cars Ill find, but Im no going to pick a car and try to source info for it as the info just may not be available.

Another Interesting point to ponder is proper top speed testing should consist of a run in both directions. A tail wind will increase top speeds while wind blowing directly at the car trying to pull will slow it down.

In GT6 I find no difference in the speed going in either direction so its safe to say in GT6 there is no wind direction factor.

We can look at a WRX (not Sti) that is factory Drag Limited to 150mph however some have done runs around 160 to 170mph and other struggle to get past 130mph (according to guys on a Scooby board) Its quite reasonable to consider the 170 run had a tail wind, while the 130mph was fighting the wind head on. The Average speed is 150mph.
So with the wind factor eliminated its safe to say the WRX should be good for 150mph.

It looks like the Scoobie is providing some data I need for the test, now I just got to figure out whats the deal with the WRX STi so I can match testing in the game.